If you tried to overthrow the government* you should not be alllowed to be part of that government.

[Botany]

Link to tweet

* And in doing so if you broke the law you should be held to be criminally responsible too.

Chuck Grassley is part of the list of shits who tried to overthrow our government.
"GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley prompted widespread confusion on Tuesday by suggesting that
Vice President Mike Pence would skip the Electoral College certification before his office
walked back his comments.
https://www.businessinsider.com/grassley-prompts-confusion-over-pence-electoral-college-certification-2021-1

Just an idea can we get 1,000,000 + Americans to Washington D.C. to say "hi" to these traitors?

[Probatim]

1. Government is broken!!!! Elect me to prove my case!!!!

And the idiots do it every year.

[markodochartaigh]

34. The Wrecking Crew

Frank summarized the message of his book: "Bad government is the natural product of rule by those who believe government is bad."
About one half of the people who bother to vote do not believe in harnessing the forces of a democratically elected government for the benefit of all citizens. Unfortunately a lot of the other half just can't believe that the first half genuinely wants to drown the government in a bathtub. And unfortunately about one third of voters just can't be bothered to vote as long as they get their hamberders and sportsball.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wrecking_Crew_(book)

[Mister Ed]

2. I think that's what the Constitution says, anyway, in the 14th Amendment?

The text messages sent by those 34 legislators may not in most cases be sufficient legal grounds for invoking the 14th Amendment, but where there's smoke, there's fire. I expect even greater skullduggery will be revealed.

[Duppers]

4. YES, yes indeed!!

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

16. Republicans will not vote to remove their own from Congress.

They truly believe they did nothing wrong in their support of TDFG .

[Hermit-The-Prog]

41. Read that again -- it takes Congress to *remove* the disability, not impose it.

[Botany]

5. I might be wrong but I think that "they" thought it was so...

... hard wired into place and that many of the key people and institutions were known dirty for the coup they thought "it" was a done deal. Members of the Secret Service, the Pentagon, law enforcement, the White House, Congress (Chuck Grassley), the Capitol Architect*, and on and on were all in it so why worry about leaving electronic fingerprints such as sending emails to Mark Meadows
in support of overthrowing our government.

* https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37884804/january-6-capitol-riot-unreinforced-windows/

Of a 658 windows on the US Capitol the mob skipped all but about 12 windows and 2 doors that were not
reinforced and mad bomb proof

[louis-t]

12. I truly believe they had inside help.

They knew exactly which windows to smash. And they truly believed they would succeed and be labeled 'heroes'.

[Botany]

20. And some of those very same "inside people" who gave tours and pushed the coup prior to and during the ....

... violence on 1/6/21 are now set to have leadership positions in the House.

“That f—— guy Jim Jordan. That son of a bitch. … While these maniacs are going through the place, I’m standing in the aisle and he said, ‘We need to get the ladies away from the aisle. Let me help you.’ I smacked his hand away and told him, ‘Get away from me. You f—— did this,’” Cheney reportedly told the general.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/563127-cheney-told-jim-jordan-you-f-ing-did-this-during-jan-6-riot/

[twodogsbarking]

3. Seems reasonable. Forget it.

[dalton99a]

6. Kick

[mountain grammy]

7. Completely agree!

in 2017 there were a million of us in DC to say "hi" to the traitor in chief... time for another!!

No Fascist USA!

[LittleGirl]

8. Why are these traitors still on the payroll

Any company would have fired their asses the next day.
I’m sick of this shit.

[spanone]

9. K&R

[Baitball Blogger]

10. Well, there is no denying that this is white privilege problem.

[ancianita]

11. Their ideas were traitorous, but they're still overed by 1A. What law can you cite that they broke?

Because I've been looking for it and can't find it.

They only broke the law of conspiracy if their ideas or suggestions can be tied to Meadows texting back agreement, whether he materially acted on them or not; but any such exchange would likely have to be more than once to qualify as conspiracy. They would claim that they were simply exchanging ideas with a former congressional colleague, nothing else. Whatever law they broke, a lot of evidence of intent and collusion would have to be gathered, and one would think Jack Smith already has a full plate.

If he nails Trump through Meadows and/or Oathkeepers or Flynn, maybe later their texts might be used in charges of aiding and abetting.

Just my opinion.

[louis-t]

15. They knew right from wrong. Don't try to tell me they didn't.

They did it anyway. "Exchanging ideas" of how to overthrow the government? C'mon.

[ancianita]

17. Of course they did. But don't try to tell me the law covers all wrong statements.

Link the law, then you have a claim. Maybe you'll find it. I haven't.

[azureblue]

19. the second they

attempted to overthrow the government by violent actions was the the second their 1st amendment rights went out the window. They, with the full support of Trump and the GOP, attempted a coup. Period, no way to sugar coat or parse it.

[ancianita]

29. Tying "violent actions" to anyone on this list could do that, but so far we don't know if

any of their comms have been tied to violence or attempted violence.

The proof takes time to find; the cases take time to build.

You can't make any of this so by group consensus. No matter how much you want it to be so. No matter how much we want them arrested and found guilty.

Knowing they're guilty isn't the same as proving that we know.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

13. Republicans do not care who violated their Constitutional oaths.

They want POWER and they are not ashamed to broadcast it.

To them, it is the Democrats who are the traitors, who committed Voter and Election fraud.

Talk about SICK in the head!

[IronLionZion]

14. The 14th amendment still exists

the right's most hated amendment. They blatantly ignore it to deny me birthright citizenship for all the brown reasons plus this:

Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Also see the US Code

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim#:~:text=%C2%A72385.,Advocating%20overthrow%20of%20Government&text=the%20purposes%20thereof%E2%80%94-,Shall%20be%20fined%20under%20this%20title%20or%20imprisoned%20not%20more,years%20next%20following%20his%20conviction.

§2383. Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

[ancianita]

18. I hope you're right and I hope this US Code on aiding and abetting works to nail them.

[triron]

28. Me too but let's not hold our breath.

[JohnnyRingo]

21. The last time there were that many white men in a room....

...with two white women, they were jumping out of a cake at a Moose Club bachelor party.

[bonniebgood]

22. the most ridiculous thing I heard last night I think it was Michael Steele, who said

that DOJ do not know how to enforce this law. Sec 3 of the 14th amendment discussing.

[triron]

26. They don't want to

[triron]

23. If this was Germany would actually be true.

[Novara]

24. This has been normalized. I fear it is too late

All this damned hand-wringing about how they're "legally" taking over the House in January and will be in control is seriously pissing me the fuck off.

I understand that removing them via the 14th Amendment is impossible as Congress currently stands, but everyone is just moving on and acting like this is business as usual, normalizing insurrection and sedition.

They took an oath to uphold the Constitution, not to subvert it! They tried to overthrow the government! How is it okay that they still have jobs in Congress????? It isn't! But no one is talking about it, and moving on means accepting and condoning what they did.

The very least Pelosi could have done was to sanction them or take a no-confidence vote. SOMETHING. DO SOMETHING.

Doing nothing means the rest of Congress accepts sedition.

[triron]

27. Sure seems like it.

[judesedit]

25. x a million

[Prairie_Seagull]

30. It pisses me off that this needs to even be said at all.

Apparently however, it isn't a common sense issue anymore. We rely on our elected officials to set the "tone" in our country and many have just gone bat shit crazy, and for what?

[malaise]

31. Michael Moore suggests that we watch this with interest

And he said this before we saw the Meadow texts.
Rec

[RobertDevereaux]

32. Glenn K, from last night (12-14-22)...

[triron]

33. Our DOJ is not up to it.

[Botany]

35. Ralph Norman Only Regrets Misspelling 'Martial' In 'Marshall Law' Text

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ralph-norman-marshal-law_n_6398dbafe4b09e0de49758f1

Asked about the text on Tuesday, Norman said, “Well, I misspelled ‘martial.’”

Declaring martial law would entail Trump using the military to suspend ordinary laws and civil liberties and install himself in power.

“I was very frustrated then, I’m frustrated now,” Norman told HuffPost. “I was frustrated then by what was going on in the Capitol. President Biden was in his basement the whole year. Dominion was raising all kinda questions.”

The text to Meadows said, “Mark, in seeing what’s happening so quickly, and reading about the Dominion law suits attempting to stop any meaningful investigation we are at a point of ... no return ... in saving our Republic !! Our LAST HOPE is invoking Marshall Law!! PLEASE URGE TO PRESIDENT TO DO SO!!”

*******

And Norman is not the only one. These mother fuckers should not be in our Government and as noted up thread
the 14th amendment article 3 lays it out but to remove somebody from Congress for breaking that law you need
a vote by congress and as we saw 2 times with Trump's impeachment votes "they" have no shame.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

44. These people have lost all touch with reality as it relates to anything political.

"President Biden was in his basement the whole year." What a load of nonsense. Meanwhile, Trump mainly played golf, watched FuxNoose, and tweeted his whole presidency. Where were the R complaints about that?

I despise everything about Republicans in this country right now, but the thing I resent most is them purposely "disrupting" all norms & rules and destroying trust in anything but what they tell their conspiracy-thirsty cult members. All logic, reason, and facts have been suspended in about 50% of the citizenry.

[lees1975]

36. So I think I've decided not to pay any taxes anymore

since other laws against treason and disloyalty aren't enforced. That's a long way down on the list of serious crimes, as far as I am concerned.

[Javaman]

37. after the civil war....

Lincoln was going to propose just that. Anyone who willingly took part in, aided in planning or encouraged the overthrow of the U.S. government should never be allowed to run or hold office ever again, but alas, he was killed before that happened.

[maxsolomon]

38. They were just shitposting! Like one does when they lose.

Nothing will happen; Meadows had an anxiety attack on J6 and shut down.

[MadLinguist]

39. And if you voted to reject the results, you need to be removed from office

Here is the full slate of those who so voted. One Hundred and forty-seven fuckers

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html

[nightwing1240]

40. A common sense approach by the OP that I agree with

But in reading other posts in this thread, the trick will be in removing those involved that said or did treasonous acts. With close to half the nation arguing who is right and who is wrong it is not going to be an easy task.

[republianmushroom]

42. agree

14th amendment ???? anybody

[Initech]

43. Totally agree! Throw these traitors out on their asses!