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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 03:30 PM Dec 2022

Donald Trump: Malignant Narcissist, Criminal Grifter, Seditionist

4. COMMITTEE WILL REFER DONALD TRUMP FOR INCITEMENT OF INSURRECTION

1. Committee referring Trump for ‘knowingly and willfully’ making false statements

2. Committee will issue criminal referrals for Trump, Eastman, others for defrauding U.S.

3. Committee will refer Trump and Eastman for obstructing an official proceeding

REMINDER: This below is who Donald Trump is. He’s a textbook case. It explains every action on a personal level and in his capacity as President. It explains why he is a lifelong grifter. It explains why he is enamored of authoritarians, and uses the mob tactics of his mentor, Roy Cohn. It explains why he engages in criminal behavior:

“The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5, 2013) indicates that a person with NPD possesses at least five of the following nine criteria, typically without possessing the commensurate personal qualities or accomplishments for which they demand respect and status:
* Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from other people
* Continually demeaning, bullying and belittling others
* Exploiting others to achieve personal gain
* Lack of empathy for the negative impact they have on the feelings, wishes, and needs of other people
* Fixation on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
* Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions
* Need for continual admiration from others
* Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others
* Intense envy of others, and the belief that others are equally envious of them[7][10]

They spend much time thinking about achieving power and success, or on their appearance.[3] Typically, they also take advantage of the people around them.

“People with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) are characterized by the personality traits of persistent grandiosity, an excessive need for admiration, and a personal disdain and lack of empathy for other people. As such, the person with NPD usually displays arrogance and a distorted sense of personal superiority, and seeks to establish abusive power and control over others.

Self-confidence (a strong sense of self) is a personality trait different from the traits of narcissistic personality disorder; thus, people with NPD typically value themselves over others, to the extent of openly disregarding the wishes and feelings of anyone else, and expect to be treated as superior, regardless of their actual status or achievements.

Socially, the person with narcissistic personality disorder usually exhibits a fragile ego (self-concept), intolerance of criticism, and a tendency to belittle other people, in order to validate his or her own superiority.”

“Among the variants of narcissism, however, malignant narcissists are by far the most damaging. Beyond merely wanting to focus primarily on themselves and be held in overly high regard by virtually everyone in their lives, they tend to have a darker side to their self-absorption. This subset contains the general traits of NPD including the regular egocentricity, but also some antisocial traits and even a sadistic streak in addition to a poor sense of self and lack of empathy. In fact, some experts see little difference between malignant narcissists and psychopaths in that both have a sadistic, antisocial streak, and very little empathy. There is often some paranoia involved with malignant narcissism as well."

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Donald Trump: Malignant Narcissist, Criminal Grifter, Seditionist (Original Post) Hissyspit Dec 2022 OP
He's also a sociopath: Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #1
Yes, malignant narcissist to a sociopathic level. Hissyspit Dec 2022 #3
Clinically, they are considered two separate disorders, but do co-occur sometimes. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #6
Yes, malignant narcissist to a sociopathic level. Hissyspit Dec 2022 #7
He's a psychopath, not sociopath Genki Hikari Dec 2022 #8
I suspect there will be multiple diaper changes louis-t Dec 2022 #2
And the there was trumps truth social declaration yesterday NQAS Dec 2022 #4
Kick and rec all Trump criminal referral threads. Kingofalldems Dec 2022 #5

Irish_Dem

(46,789 posts)
1. He's also a sociopath:
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 03:37 PM
Dec 2022

Consistent behavior patterns in sociopaths include:

*Lack of empathy for others
*Impulsive behavior
*Attempting to control others with threats or aggression
*Using intelligence, charm, or charisma to manipulate others
*Not learning from mistakes or punishment
*Lying for personal gain
*Showing a tendency to physical violence and fights
*Generally superficial relationships
* Stealing or committing other crimes
*Abusing drugs or alcohol
*Trouble with responsibilities such as a job, paying bills, etc.

So Trump is both a narcissistic and antisocial personality disorder.
Some strong indications of stimulant abuse/addiction as well.

So at three psychiatric diagnoses.

I also wonder about possible Bi-Polar Disorder.
And learning disability. (Many reports he is not able to read written material.)

Irish_Dem

(46,789 posts)
6. Clinically, they are considered two separate disorders, but do co-occur sometimes.
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 04:11 PM
Dec 2022

They are distinct from each other.

The narcissist doesn't typically display the serious rule violations and violence that a sociopath does.

Sociopaths often do not need the constant attention, admiration like a narcissist does. And is not as
personally envious of others.

Which disorder is prominent and came first?

It looks like Trump was displaying sociopathic traits in childhood.
Many rule violations, violence against teachers, had to be sent to military school.
Also early examples of his narcissism have come to light.

So hard to tell. But both disorders interact to produce a very toxic personality.
Quite a bit of these types rising to national prominence.

In addition we have the substance abuse disorder.
And possible learning disabilities.
And I would want to rule out Bi-Polar Disorder.

My point here is that there is more than one mental health diagnosis for Trump.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
8. He's a psychopath, not sociopath
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 09:13 PM
Dec 2022

Sociopaths are made how they are; psychopaths are born.

That...thing didn't come from the type of environment that produces a sociopath. You need to see quite severe trauma--growing up in a war zone, very violent neighborhood or exceedingly abusive home. While his home was probably abusive, it was not abusive to an outrageous extent that involved severe beatings (the kind that puts a kid in a hospital at least once), a parent who routinely made him go to school dressed like a girl as a punishment, or other creepy/extreme abuse.

Like all psychopaths, he also exhibited signs of anti-social personality as a very young child: hitting a teacher, throwing rocks at an infant, being excessively physical with other children or even violent with them (he was a known bully, as a young child).

Sociopaths don't tend to exhibit anti-social behaviors like those until they're much older. With sociopaths, you'll hear from people who know them, "He was such a nice kid, and then something happened to him," usually when that kid became a preteen or teenager.

Nobody ever says that about a psychopath. They were never nice kids. They were always cruel, creepy and even violent. Just like that...thing. Over and over, we keep hearing what a mean, violent kid he was. And sometimes even he brags about how horrible he was, as a young child. After all, he's the source for the tale about how he hit a music teacher during a piano lesson. It never occurred to him that decent people would find that not cute or clever or funny, but horrifying. And the way he told it? He was bragging about being a vicious little monster, because he considers it a good thing to act that way toward anyone who thwarted him!

He's a psychopath. I can guarantee that an MRI of that fat pumpkin head of his will show a brain like the lower one, with poor pre-frontal cortex development.

https://i.insider.com/55a969812acae74c2f8b5577?width=700&format=jpeg

The pre-frontal cortex controls executive decisions and a normal person's understanding of how actions have consequences. That's the part of the brain that makes normal people pause to consider how our actions will affect others or even ourselves. Psychopaths don't have that capability. It both makes them incapable of empathy and extremely reckless and impulsive in their actions, even to their own detriment. They just don't care about what will happen if they do X, because all they know is that they want to do X in the here and now, so go for it.

We need to call him what he is: A psychopath.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
4. And the there was trumps truth social declaration yesterday
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 03:51 PM
Dec 2022

Calling for action against most of the us government. If I did that, I’d be investigated and probably charged with making terroristic threats.


Oh, right. It’s okay if you’re an ex-president.

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