When it comes to indictments, the news media, talking heads, are missing the big picture.

[fightforfreedom]

Most everyone is talking about Trump and the criminal referrals. They are asking, will the DOJ take up the criminal referrals, etc.

What they are missing is this. The coup plotters around Trump are a special kind of stupid. People like Eastman, Rudy, Meadows, Clark, Powell, Stone, Flynn, Navarro, are in deep shit. People like Navarro admitted to the coup attempt on TV. The evidence against people like Eastman and Rudy is overwhelming. The chances of these idiots being charged with multiple conspiracies, felonies, is extremely high.

When this happens it is going to change everything. It will be historic and their indictments, trials, will snowball. All of their indictments, trials, will point directly to Trump.

There's also the case of the fake electors. Many of them committed fraud. They signed their names to a forged document, sent it to congress. I see plea deals being made. They will talk. Rudy and Eastman were in charge of the fake elector conspiracy.

We are going to witness the trials of the coup plotters, I have no doubt. It will change everything.

As far as Trump is concerned, let's see what happens in the Georgia and the secret document investigation. Both of those investigations are near the end.

[malaise]

1. THIS

Rec

[2naSalit]

2. K&R

[Joinfortmill]

3. They'll turn on each other & Trump....

Much more will emerge.

[secondwind]

4. Cannot wait!

[mopinko]

5. esp stone.

stone and manafort were behind him running in the 1st place. they’ve been doing putler’s bidding all along.
i would truly love to see all this linked back to how he fucking got there to begin with.
even just the money trails….

[Evolve Dammit]

7. maybe dove-tailing with the unredacted Mueller report??

[mopinko]

8. i mean, it could happen.

if they start following the money, we all know where that leads.

[Evolve Dammit]

10. Yes. It should have been continued after Barr was gone. We may never know WTH happened.

[gab13by13]

17. Stone already was going to jail once for Trump,

he will never flip.

Mark Meadows is the key player, there are rumors that he is cooperating with DOJ, I do not believe that just as much as I never believed that a year ago DOJ was secretly investigating everyone in Trump's inner circle, no they were not. Until I see Meadows going before a grand jury then I don't believe that DOJ is serious about indicting Trump. Meadows is the key man, the one man, who can bring Trump down, and Meadows is no Roger Stone, he will not go to jail for Trump.

[moreland01]

6. A living hell.

They all deserve to spend the rest of their lives being punished and suffering for what they put this country through.

Even the right wingers have been stressed out by losing their friends and family due to the lies they've been fed.

All of us have been put through hell and justice will never be served to my satisfaction.

[Samrob]

9. You are assuming that there is equal justice in our system. That has proven to be false for over

hundreds of years. No man or woman of COLOR is above the law, all others can be and have been. Or else Trump and several others including Bannon would be in jail right now.

[fightforfreedom]

14. I am assuming nothing.

I am looking at the facts, the serious crimes that were committed, the serious charges people are facing, the overwhelming evidence. The chances of all of this one day just going away and nobody being indicted, all the traitors allowed to walk away free are zero.

[gab13by13]

19. DOJ already ignored

the J6 criminal referrals for Meadows and Scavino, that is a fact.

[fightforfreedom]

25. Once again, we don't know what happened there.

One logical explanation could be, Meadows did cooperate, he handed over lots of information to the committee then he stopped. To put him trial saying he did not cooperate might not work with a jury. Bannon was charged because he did not cooperate at all.

[Pobeka]

11. There are two courts at play simutaneously here. J6 committe and DOJ.

The J6 commitee has bee working in the court of public opinion, in public view.

The DOJ has been working in the legal, mostly unpublicized legal system.

They have been working in parallel. The J6 work makes the DOJ (Jack Smith)'s job easier in terms of getting a sympathetic grand jury, jury etc.

For the good of the nation, I hope the insurrection charge for Trump and those in congress who aided and gave comfort to the armed mob who attacked the capitol on J6 sticks and there are maximum penalties assessed.

I am hopeful DOJ brings the classified documents indictments in January, which puts Trump and associates on the defensive, and then the insurrection charge follows a few months after.

[fightforfreedom]

18. I do not know what charges the DOJ will bring forward, however

The charge of obstructing congress in an official act looks like a sure bet coming indictment.

The same goes for the fake elector scheme. They got the goods, the evidence on that conspiracy. How could you not put people on trial for that?

I have no idea what the hell is going in the secret document investigation. That is one of the most bizarre cases in our history. Not holding Trump accountable in some way would for me be nihilistic. Lets destroy our national security by doing nothing.

There is also the Georgia investigation where the DA has been making her attentions pretty clear. She is determined to hold people accountable. She has stated people are facing serious charges.

[Pobeka]

20. Agree with all of that. I think the insurrection charge sticks too, remember

1) Trump knew the mob was likely armed, because he was told the crowd wouldn't come through the magnetometers to his little Musilini rant.
2) Trump responded "Turn off the mags, they are not here to hurt me" (I may not have the quote exactly). So he knew they had weapons.
3) He then launched that mob towards the capitol.
4) He then did absolutely nothing to stop the violence

None of that is in question.

The only question I have is could you get a jury to find him guilty, given the number of MAGA heads in our population?

[Genki Hikari]

35. "How could you not put people on trial for that?"

Because the DOJ can't arbitrarily put people on trial for felonies. They can't go to trial without an indictment, and only a grand jury can issue an indictment.

Everyone forgets the grand jury part of the process. Without an indictment from them, the DOJ's hands are tied with going to trial.

[ancianita]

12. Finally. Thank you. Glad to see someone who sees what I see. Let's add congress people to the list.

I've been saying for months that the next congress will likely have a legally compromised, if not decimated, majority that Americans will come to see as some vengeful junior high level shitshow.

Thank you for your post!

[gab13by13]

21. I guarantee that DOJ will not indict a sitting member of Congress.

There is only 1 possibility and that's the Rep. from Pa. Perry, and I'm not holding my breath waiting on his indictment.

[ancianita]

26. I know, but the evidence is there.

As for Trump and the rest, I've got a supply of candied nuts, popcorn, and champagne ready.

[fightforfreedom]

27. The DOJ has indicted members of congress in the past.

They have also indicted people who worked in the White house in the past. People like the Chief of Staff, White House counsel.

[Genki Hikari]

36. You would be wrong

The feds have convicted literally scores of congressional reps, since the beginning of the republic. Matthew Lyon was convicted in 1798 for violating the Alien and Sedition Acts. He's also the only Congressional rep re-elected while serving time in jail.

Things were mostly quiet until Teddy Roosevelt became President. That's when the feds started cracking down on corruption. The first sitting senator was convicted during TR's term: John H Mitchell, for taking part in an Oregon land fraud scheme.

Every administration since Coolidge has had a legislative member charged and convicted of federal crimes. And that includes under Joe Biden (Jeff Fortenberry (r-NE) convicted of lying to investigators--https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/congressman-jeff-fortenberry-found-guilty-concealing-facts-and-lying-investigators).

So maybe before flinging around the accusation that DOJ won't go after Congress reps, consider how they've had zero qualms about doing it in the past.

[lefthandedskyhook]

13. Time for schadenfreude infused snacks!

It's gonna be a great show!

[lark]

15. I'm hoping he gets indicted quickly on the stolen docs charges.

Those are simple and clear charges and politics isn[t part of it like it is the other. PLUS, MAJOR BONUS, the charge would preclude him from holding office. This is the one i want to see done NOW because it' won't take nearly as long. I hope GA will be lawsuit #2, again because of speed. He needs to be charged ASAP!

[gab13by13]

24. Define quickly,

it's been almost 2 years since Trump stole the documents. I guarantee that a few of our foreign spies have been outed and murdered because of treating Trump with kid gloves. DOJ and not the National Archives should have been investigating the stolen documents case from day 1. The damage that Trump has done to our national security will take a generation to rebuild.

[lark]

29. I'm hoping he's indicted in January.

They have the proof. Even if all the docs aren't found, don't wait, indict on what is easily provable and stop him in his tracks!!!!

[nightwing1240]

16. The media, like us, have seen all this before

From Watergate to Iran-Contra to war crimes of W being investigated. The guilty have went free. Like you, I am hoping this time is different. I will only be satisfied once the first indictment for Jan 6th is handed down.

[fightforfreedom]

23. People went to prison for Watergate, Nixon resigned in disgrace.

People went to prison for Iran-Contra, there would have been more but the 1st Bush pardoned them.

These past crimes do not compare to the crimes Trump and his band of traitors have committed. Their crimes are much worse. These crimes are so severe it may be political suicide if some future Republican president pardoned the traitors.

[nightwing1240]

34. As for prison

I meant the Presidents at the time, Nixon, Reagan and Bush. As for political suicide people, well many political forecasters and people back then thought it would be at least a decade before the GOP would be able to win the White House again.

[Thunderbeast]

22. Yes to the above....BUT....If they don't hold the congressional co-conspitrators accountable

the rot will continue.

McCarthy, Perry, Biggs, Jordan, Cruz, Hawley, Graham, and orhers should face investigation and indictment for their parts in the coup plot.

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

28. Everything the billionaire owned media says is intentional.

[Silent3]

30. The thing is, we're already well beyond any opportunity for equality before the law

That ship has sailed. All that's left to hope for is how much the scale of inequality is reduced.

Yes, any indictment of Trump, if it happens, will be historic.

What's so sadly typical, however, and non-historic, is that Trump will have run free for many years before anything happens to him, even after provoking something so enormous as a violent attempted coup against the United States.

What's sadly typical and non-historic is that Trump probably won't face jail time the way anyone else would, but at worst, house arrest.

It's sad that we'll probably be ecstatic for any crumbs of real justice that we can get, an ecstasy only possible because we're so deeply conditioned to expect so little.

[fightforfreedom]

31. What's really sad is this should have never happened.

The Republicans violated their oaths of office, failed to uphold the constitution, in Trumps 1st impeachment trial. That was a catastrophic mistake. It damaged our country, damaged our democracy and wrecked their Party.

It was clear Trump had to removed in the 1st impeachment trial. It will go down in history as one of the biggest cowardly mistakes in our history. To make it worse, the Republicans voted not guilty when Trump attempted to over throw the nation. I blame the Republicans for everything because they are the ones to blame.

[inthewind21]

32. What's even sadder

Is a large swath of citizens in this country voted all of those who violated their oaths into office. Then turned around and voted them in again. For the love of God Herschel Walker got 1.6 MILLION votes! MTG is back in swing, Jordan, the whole nut brigade. Tell me again who is solely to blame? When all of this is written into history, I don't believe the question will be "Why did Republicans do this?" It will be "Why did the American people allow this to happen?"

[fightforfreedom]

33. I know, it's scary.

[musclecar6]

37. I Agree

It's obvious Trump has been a runaway national disgrace aided and abetted by a spineless Republican congress. He is a hopeless out of control mean spirited bully and THEY are supposed to be the ones to stand up to and stop the evil menace.

The Democrats did their part, the Republicans ( with a few notable exceptions) failed big time.