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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have lost all respect for the "Royal Family" and their cowardice
in not coming out to condemn Jeremy Clarkson.. for the love of Pete, they are destroying themselves by their snotty behaviors.. That column came out four days ago.. and nothing, nada from the Palace or Royal family..Seriously the only people taking down the royal family in England is the royal family itself. I do not even know where to begin it is such a stuck on stupid reaction.
Royal Family refuses to condemn Jeremy Clarkson over 'hateful' Meghan Markle
https://news.yahoo.com/royal-family-refuses-to-condemn-jeremy-clarkson-over-hateful-meghan-markle-column-130841844.html
"So far there has been no official, public statement on behalf of King Charles and Camilla, the Queen Consort, despite the target of Clarkson's attack being a member of the Royal Family.
Camilla is known for her campaign work to prevent violence against women, and it was only last month that she warned of a "global pandemic of violence against women" at a palace event."
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Kaleva
(40,365 posts)
Peacetrain
(24,288 posts)There is a world wide attack on women.. and having some jackass like Clarkson go off on how much he hates a woman and wants to see her stripped naked and paraded through the streets with shit flung at her.. and it got published?? Oh yeah, it really does matter. Ignoring something like that tells a story in itself.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)It used to be you could pick and choose who you like. Now, depending on the person you’re forced to like them. good for the Royals for not following this weird trend.
niyad
(132,440 posts)disliking a person. clarkson and his vile spewing are about misogyny and racism, as is the silence from the palace.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)Maybe they don’t like people who quit the job. I’m not so sure any job really like people who quit. And yes being a royal is a job.
niyad
(132,440 posts)compare her to Meghan?? Got it.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Harry is a long way off from the throne. The only "job" he quit is being a PR flak for a colonial power. It's a silly job, anyway.
And this incident proves to everyone exactly why he left. Nothing could have proven it more clearly.
brush
(61,033 posts)an American Black woman, knowledgeable of MLK Jr., Fannie Lou Hamer, Rosa Parks and the whole civil rights movement, finally refused to take the racist, bullshit, treatment from the Brit press and some of the royal family members themselves, and Harry, protecting his wife, made the decision to step away from the royal family.
If you don't know, now you do, American women, especially American Black women, don't take that shit and just acquiest quietly.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)sickening enough to see the righty racist climb aboard the Meghan hate train...but to see liberals act in this way is truly awful
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)“Before” you might have been executed for your dislike of royalty. So that would be okay ow.
brush
(61,033 posts)
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)He was a nazi supporter and so was she. Thank goodness he abdicated and they left. The course of history would have been very different if his brother had not become king instead.
whathehell
(30,468 posts)I completely agree.
brush
(61,033 posts)If Meghan Markle was not Black, she and Harry would still be in Britain and in good standing in the royal family.
It's so apparently but many don't want to see/believe it and take the side of her detractors, and that includes many Americans.
Hope22
(4,746 posts)I see it everywhere. The seed of the American Taliban grows even when untended.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)he says something moronic and then sits back and watches idiots whine about the idiotic thing he said.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)
CatWoman
(80,290 posts)Peacetrain
(24,288 posts)It has nothing to do with liking.. it is about respecting women period! Exclamation point!!! Hate her hell and back.. your right, but do not wish such vile actions against her because she just exists..
whathehell
(30,468 posts)The better question is why they have to HATE her.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)If your step-mother's friend attacks your sister in law, in print, using violent imagery, healthy people respond. You don't just pretend it didn't happen.
This is even more true when you're part of a royal family that is undergoing global skepticism about whether the billions of dollars given you by taxpayers is really worth it. At this point, this royal family is nothing but a public relations vehicle. They have no other use. If the public relations sours, they have no reason to exist as royals. They should get jobs and support themselves, pay for their own homes and cars, etc.
cally
(21,868 posts)Healthy people do not “not respond” when others promote violence against others—especially family. Healthy people do not leak stories about “how angry they are”, how hurt, instead of trying to see the other side.
I agree with the first post. I have lost all respect for this institution and their racism, misogyny, and stunted family relations.
Aristus
(72,187 posts)I don't insist that they be paraded naked in public and pelted with shit.
Normal human beings condemn that kind of expression.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)It used to be the self-defined conservatives who lamented the coarsening of public discourse, but now we see the true colors of these people and their institutions. There's apparently no limit to their vile words and behavior. The rest of us have been a little slow to catch on. The media didn't know what to do with Trump and his violent rhetoric. Good people were caught off guard.
Time for some righteous indignation and push back. It's not normal or healthy to talk that way or go along with it. Period.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)OK to me. The royal family on the other should be done away with. Charles and Camilla or horrible people. Charles marries a naive young woman who did not know the score and then carried on with his mistress...Camilla. He always sucked big time. As for Camilla, I have never seen a nastier, more unpleasant woman. Perhaps, the UK folks will finally get rid of these useless folks once and for all. And mark my words, the current Royals are racist scum, IMHO-particularly Charles and Camilla. But the younger Royals likely are too...William and Kate.
Wingus Dingus
(9,173 posts)Which is, of course, sick and demented. You see the difference, right? Especially since this guy is a public figure who has a friendship with the royal family.
Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)And now if you don't like them, you're a BAD PERSON.
It's interesting to watch to be honest. She just lies her head off, and you keep waiting for people to notice, but nah, people don't notice. And if you bring it up, you're probably one of those buzz words we were just talking about.
Like if you're not swallowing this Downton Kardashian routine wholesale, you side with the royals.
The royals aren't any better (Andrew is still lurking about? Gonna get on that one, Chuck? Or nah?). You basically have people who are screwed up in their various ways, and you can choose which flaw you're willing to overlook to take a side.
I mean, no one involved on either side seems like great people I want to hear more about.
But it's interesting nonetheless how PR works. Effective.
Mariana
(15,626 posts)Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)Because, that's more or less the equivalent here.
I don't hop to with an opinion just because someone demands it.
CatWoman
(80,290 posts)Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)The rain was falling.
I wrote all about it on MySpace at the time.
Mariana
(15,626 posts)MaryMagdaline
(7,964 posts)Kaleva
(40,365 posts)Drastic situations will illicit drastic responses. How important this is to you will determine what you'll do in response to it.
marble falls
(71,926 posts)sorry for any of the royals. Meghan had to have some clues walking into the inbred group of scant genetic material. Clarkson has always had barely concealed anti-American bias.
A big fat meh to the whole kettle of them. Meghan's the only interesting one in the pack. I hope she finds a way to protect Lilibet and Archie.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)agree. I hope the Royals are gone in my lifetime...seriously their glaring racism is disgusting. And pelting a Black woman with shit is just what I expect from this group.
marble falls
(71,926 posts)... would never have worked, one person against over 1000 years of "tradition"?
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)I find these people despicable and if racism is their mantra then they definitely need to go...
marble falls
(71,926 posts)... 1,000 years of one family's traditional exploitation of other classes of human beings. She changed just one of their member's attitudes, and she and her husband ended up in exile. I think she's handled it all with dignity and honor.
In the end, I could not care a whit about the royals. I am interested in Meghan and her nuclear family outside of being royal, like the Invictus Games (I'm a vet, interested in other's interest in us), the Children’s HIV Association (CHIVA), Crisis, Myna Mahila Foundation, Scotty’s Little Soldiers, StreetGames, Surfers Against Sewage and The Wilderness Foundation UK. I am very interested in their new nonprofit, Archewell - about which I know very little. And even more from before her marriage: she was involved from the time she was a child.
But the "Royals", not so much. I thought the treatment of Meghan by her in-laws and Harry's grandparents was shameful and based on their attitudes towards women not of their class: she is a woman of color, not deferential and quiet enough for them, not of the "blood", divorced, American. About as dismissive of her personhood as could be. And to be clear: I am not alright with it.
Floyd R. Turbo
(32,913 posts)
patricia92243
(12,975 posts)CatWoman
(80,290 posts)
BlueTsunami2018
(4,990 posts)I’m not sure how accurate “The Crown” is but it portrays Charles as a fairly progressive guy who lamented the fact that because of the “System” they live in, he wasn’t allowed to marry the woman he truly loved. Where does all this vitriol against Markle come from?
Quite frankly, the idea of royalty itself is absurd in my opinion. All this drama is even more so.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)'N' word.
Lunabell
(7,309 posts)It was her friend that accosted the woman at an event, insisting she tell her where she REALLY was from. And fondled her hair. Camilla is the scum.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)doesn't fall far from the tree it seems. I thought the royal family's behavior toward Harry and Meghan was reprehensible when the queen died...dreadful people.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)I've read any number of actual biographies of members of the royal family, and I had to stop watching after about the third episode in season 1.
The most glaring thing is how it portrays Philip as a loving, hands on father to Charles. Nope. Anything but. He constantly belittled Charles, made him attend Gordonstoun, the school in Scotland that was perhaps the worst possible place to send Charles.
mcar
(46,056 posts)
Joinfortmill
(21,165 posts)
Tommymac
(7,334 posts)He is a selfish, stupid piece of faulty genetic material.
The British Royals all suck eggs.
I never had any respect for any of them, and believe that they are ALL parasites living off the People of England.
(Except the ones who voluntarily renounced their Royalty in public and gave up all inherited rights, power, and $$. If there really were any.)
whistler162
(11,155 posts)something stupid to get attention and people are giving it to him.
ananda
(35,145 posts)Every now and then I'd appreciate one of them
for something, as an individual... but that family
has always been fucked, perverted, and
authoritarian... in fact, responsible for most of
the world's ills right now.
Victoria and her children/relatives ruled many
countries for awhile, including Russia... and they
were pretty awful.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,096 posts)In case you missed The Prince and Princess of Wales's Tweet:
Yesterday, I lost a friend, who dedicated his life to protecting wildlife in some of East Africa’s most renowned national parks. Mark Jenkins, and his son Peter, were tragically killed when flying over Tsavo National Park while conducting an aerial patrol.
The low-class attacks from Megan and Harry, and rebuttal by media--too low to sink for the Royals. They are not involved in the trash thrown around.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Any reasonable person who is paying attention now sees, very clearly, why Harry and Meghan left.
This incident proves their case.
CatWoman
(80,290 posts)yardwork
(69,364 posts)What could it be...
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)yardwork
(69,364 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)I find the Royals despicable and unnecessary.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,096 posts)yardwork
(69,364 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,096 posts)It is because of her--and his--behavior.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)It's a pretty common trope.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,096 posts)I am unaware of racist tropes. You don't know me. My dislike for them has nothing to do with race. And everything to do with behavior.
Peacetrain
(24,288 posts)or said.. They have defended themselves.. But they have not gone out and tried to destroy anyone, quite the opposite.... that was the whole point of this op.. the tabloids in England,make their money on the backs of Harry and Meghan.. and where the royal family has got to pull themselves up from, is not doing what Phillip agreed to so many years ago.. say nothing and carry on. You do not let that kind of vile vitriol that Clarkson spewed go by just to keep your names out of the tabloids or fear them coming after you. This is just another example of the uber right using women to try and claw to power .
From Iran to US (losing Roe v Wade) to England tabloids beating up on the Sussex's (some asshole wanted to throw Harry off a building) the uber right in many countries are using this tactic.. and it has nothing to do with money! It is all about bloated power
And God what a difference it would have made if the family had not kow towed to the men in grey suits and came out and said that this was unacceptable, because they have taken on the mantle of what is right behaviors..
Evergreen Emerald
(13,096 posts)They distorted and lied to attempt to hurt the royal family. It is a shame.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)I've seen none. I watched their six-part series, and I was surprised at how muted their comments were. They come across as the grownups in the room. There were no angry accusations at the royal family.
The tabloids have created a fiction about Meghan and Harry.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,096 posts)1. Harry said they dumped his security so they had to leave England--that is a lie. As told by the security staff, they stopped security after he left for the US while in Canada.
2. There were a number of photographs showing how they were practically attacked by the press. One of the pics was from South Africa in which they had agreed to the photo. One of the pics was actually taken at one of the Harry Potter opening nights...before Harry and Meghan dated. Another was from another event unrelated to them. They were lies and distortions.
3. Megan said she received no information on how to be a Royal. That was a lie, as told by Royal staff, who said she was given a binder and a person to assist. She lied.
4. The editing of the Queen's speech when she was 21 years old speaking to the people of England when she stated that she would (paraphrasing) dedicate her whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to your service and the service and the service to our great imperial family to which we all belong." The documentary edited it, changing the meaning and implying that she was only devoted to her family, which is a lie.
Those are just a few of the ones I recall off the top of my head. Yes, the lies have been confirmed The ugliness and jealousy spewing from the documentary is enough to make my stomach turn.
The fact that people are so eager to believe everything that comes out of their mouths is a shame
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Charles and Camilla are horrible people and I believe racist.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)In a court of law, when two sides disagree about what was said or what happened, the judge or jury has to weigh the evidence and decide who is telling the truth.
And, sometimes there are sincere disagreements in understanding that are not "lies." Meghan was given a binder? Maybe that didn't rise to the level of support she needed.
I didn't perceive the snippet of the Queen's speech as you did. That's a very famous speech, and most people who are interested at all in the British royal family are well aware of the Queen's words and intentions. I didn't see anything nefarious.
Your words echo those of the tabloids. "Lies." "Turns my stomach." I think you have other reasons for being biased against Meghan and her husband. Much of the public disagrees with you.
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)Because Megs isn’t terribly popular in Britain.
n/t
niyad
(132,440 posts)practically every word Meghan said about her treatment matched what Diana said. Do you think Meghan consulted with Diana's spirit?
Ouija Boards 'R Us 
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)need to be destroyed. They are despicable and racist.
brush
(61,033 posts)uninformed opinions on this progressive site.
MaryMagdaline
(7,964 posts)Instead of condemning, they’re having lunch with that person and with Piers Morgan, another Meghan hater.
The Commonwealth countries are watching. Kiss their loyalty goodbye.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)The British people pay s lot of money for this PR machine. Looks like it's an incompetent machine. Time to fire them.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)It is what it is. Not surprising, but sad.
mitch96
(15,802 posts)it's close to home...
All hat, no cattle..
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Johnny2X2X
(24,207 posts)They are a symbol of what's been wrong with the world for centuries. Greed. Unearned wealth and power. Inherited status based on blood, not deeds.
So now we're finding out that despite their legions of PR experts, they're still horrible and evil people. Not surprised one bit.
NameAlreadyTaken
(2,301 posts)and the royal family is correct to ignore her and not feed into her frenzy. They bent over backwards for her when she married Harry and did everything possible to welcome her into the family. In turn she has spit on them at every opportunity. It's gone on way too long and they are taking the correct path by refusing to engage in her bullshit.
SharonClark
(10,497 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)the racist scum many of us thought they were...I can't believe you support the idea of pelting a Black American woman with shit.
brush
(61,033 posts)some members of the royal family and the racist, misogynist British press?
It so obvious if she wasn't Black her and Harry would still be in Britain and in good standing with the family.
Some need to open their eyes and brains.
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)“Learn something” indeed.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)Not sure I completely agree but I do on some level and I applaud your refusal to go along with the hive mentality in the thread.
CatWoman
(80,290 posts)why would someone alert on that?
snowybirdie
(6,687 posts)as folks seem to know everything about people none of us know anything about only what media on both sides wants us to believe.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)
lark
(26,081 posts)Have hated her ever since Charles preferred her to Diana, she has zero class,
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)maybe Royalty would have survived for a while longer but Charles and Camilla will destroy it.
mcar
(46,056 posts)on the part of the crown's comms shops.
Honestly, the entire debacle is. It was a no-brainer - welcome Meghan into the family (as they seemed to do with the wedding) and recognize that she was lifting all their boats vis a vis the royals relationship with Black Brits and Commonwealth members. It seems like the family members largely live apart and only get together for official things a few times a year. If they didn't like her, they could pretty much ignore her.
Instead they let jealousy, racism, and misogyny take over. They could have early on called out the racism coming from the tabloids but instead they used it to deflect attention from negative stories about some of the others (wonder if Andrew's "issues" played a part). They used Meghan as a chew toy for the tabloids ("no, no Spot, don't eat my shoe, here's this other shoe for you to chew on"
.
Charles and William could have stood up for their son/brother and his family but chose to be passive (or they orchestrated it for some dumb reason).
Now they are letting the virulent hatred explode and again, saying nothing. It's baffling.
Joinfortmill
(21,165 posts)But this entire debacle might have been a blessing in diguise for Harry. He and Meghan seem genuinely happy in the U.S.
mcar
(46,056 posts)as was said in the show, she gave up everything to marry him - her career, her home, her privacy and independence. He's now had to give up some too but for the good of his family.
Pepsidog
(6,365 posts)don't know anything about these people but I do know that a father or in this case a father-in-law who happens to be the King has a chance to show his character and assert himself.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)The monarchy was handed their best imaginable chance at relevance in the 21st century and they totally blew it. The spectacular way in which they blew it - and continue to do so - tends to prove all the criticism against them. They are out of touch, biased, colonialist in thinking, and overall unworthy to be an effective PR vehicle for their country.
Literally, their entire reason for existing as an expensively maintained institution is to provide high value PR for Britain. They have failed and should be fired.
mcar
(46,056 posts)especially after what they did to Diana.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Reminds me of Detroit auto makers in the 1970s.
TheRickles
(3,386 posts)Enid Blyton, the English author of many best-selling children's book from the '30s to the '60s, wrote one classic called "The Golliwogs". The three main characters were Gollie, Woggie and N*gger. Editions printed after 1968 changed their names to be more benign, but for any Brit who had those stories read to them as kids, the N-word is baked in.
Agatha Christie's "Ten Little N*ggers" was also a best seller, FWIW.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/21/right-to-sell-golliwogs-not-something-should-be-fighting-for-in-2016-suzanne-moore|
This is background info for context, not meant to excuse the racism that we're seeing now.
Joinfortmill
(21,165 posts)
moonshinegnomie
(4,021 posts)dawn5651
(774 posts)things people say....
cab67
(3,749 posts)Harry. In the face of what his wife was facing, he stuck by her and not his role in this whole hierarchy.
irisblue
(37,512 posts)It is not as bad, yet, as Æthelred the Unready, but it'll stick
twodogsbarking
(18,785 posts)I can't stomach any of them. You too Harry and Meghan.
LisaM
(29,634 posts)Those are hardly the same thing and really, when they do say something, it pretty much has to be a perfectly crafted statement or they'll be accused of saying the wrong thing.
I don't think all responses have to be immediate, but some people seem to think that's a requirement now.
I don't watch "Game of Thrones" so I had to look up the reference, but yes, the column was vile and uncalled for and that was a needless remark. He's already (lamely) apologized. And I don't know if the Royal family do tend to comment on what's written about them in the lower-grade tabloids.
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)Good luck.
Lunabell
(7,309 posts)No need to be snide.
moonshinegnomie
(4,021 posts)more than they received all of 2021 in total
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jeremy-clarkson-news-latest-meghan-051652434.html
CatWoman
(80,290 posts)
Deuce
(960 posts)mainer
(12,554 posts)That he wants her stripped naked and walked through UK streets and have dung thrown at her? Can you imagine the Palace would be silent about THAT?
They have not said a word in Meghan's defense, despite all the public bullying (and it's been horrible bullying). Meghan, who has been a public activist since her early teens, who has engaged in public service long before she met Harry, does not deserve the abuse that's routinely flung at her.
Peacetrain
(24,288 posts)and I would be here posting the same thing in her (Katherines) support if Harry or any others did not step up to the plate. He is her brother in law after all. My brother in law has passed over, but if anyone had said something like that about me, the air would still be blue when he got done with them.. and he died over 10 years ago..
I just do not get why they have not come swinging out for her (Meghans) defense..
mainer
(12,554 posts)Andrew never gets attacked in the press. Meghan serves the "look, look a squirrel!" function for the family.
Peacetrain
(24,288 posts)Thank God Harry had the balls to pick up his family and walk away for their health and safety. When you stop and think about it, that was so impressive. His family meant more to him than all that power..
Jedi Guy
(3,477 posts)I suspect that has a bit more to do with him basically fading into the woodwork than the British press going easy on him. He got roundly savaged (and rightfully so) after the disastrous interview he gave about his association with Epstein and his... ahem... "association" with Virginia Giuffre. After that, he essentially dropped off the face of the planet and wasn't seen in any "official" capacity until Elizabeth's funeral, to the best of my knowledge.
The Sussexes, on the other hand, have continued to speak out and make themselves visible. That is, to be sure, their right, but by doing so they make themselves targets. It's hard to thread the needle of "we just want to be left alone" when one is giving interviews and making Netflix documentaries. One cannot cast aspersions and reasonably expect that there will not be pushback, particularly this soon after Elizabeth's death, when Brits at large may well be feeling a groundswell of sympathy and affection for The Firm.
The Sussexes may well be telling the truth, as they perceive it, about their experiences. People are taking sides and treating their side's version of events as objective fact. I suspect the actual reality is much more murky and subjective, as is often the case with intrafamily disputes, including those that spill over into the public eye.
CatWoman
(80,290 posts)Jedi Guy
(3,477 posts)If he did get heckled, I kind of feel two ways about it. On the one hand, he earned it fair and square. On the other hand, the event wasn't about him, it was about his mother and her life. But I can certainly understand how some Brits might have felt he had a hell of a lot of nerve showing his face after what he put his mother through.
Even if the allegations against him are untrue (which sure seems like a hell of a big "if" ), his handling of the whole situation no doubt gave Elizabeth more than a little rage-induced heartburn. Or so I would like to think, anyway.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)I think that both Meghan and Harry enjoy being in the public eye. She's an actress and he was born to a public role. I don't think they want to be left alone. I think they enjoyed being royals and would have continued had it not been for the over the top bad treatment of Meghan. We don't have to take their word for it. There have been articles putting headlines about her and about Kate side by side. There's no question that Meghan was treated differently - and about ridiculously similar issues. Kate is "elegantly turned out" and "Meghan is dressed like a slut" when they're wearing identical shoes. Kate's husband "shows his love by bringing his pregnant wife an avocado" while Meghan "is an entitled hypocrite" for eating an avocado while pregnant. There are many examples.
It's not a matter of taking sides, to me. It's interesting because the British monarchy, which has been in power for over a thousand years, looks like it's going to get taken down because it's irrelevant. The commonwealth countries are leaving one by one and I think that will accelerate now that Queen Elizabeth had passed. The royal family's role is now 100% ceremonial and it's expensive. Their only purpose is public relations for Britain. They blew it, big time. They could have embraced their Black, American, professional in-law and rode a wave of goodwill in commonwealth nations, but no, they did what they've always done, reverted to their silly colonialist ways and went after her. There's no doubt that the royal family aided and abetted the attacks.
So it's interesting to see this play out. Like you, I have my doubts that America's newest celebrity socialite family will be happy, but that's up to them. I wish them well. I feel sad that the brothers seem to be estranged. Real people with real feelings get destroyed in this machine.
SYFROYH
(34,214 posts)I'm sure they are content so let the couple who walked away and created the documentary deal with the fallout.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Meghan... I hope this ends their so-called reign...time to go. They represent all that is wrong with the UK. A Black woman is mistreated because of her race and some here defend the bigots? Shocking.