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Tue Dec 20, 2022, 01:06 PM Dec 2022

Jack Smith Has a History of Indicting Presidents

Last edited Tue Dec 20, 2022, 01:36 PM - Edit history (2)

Jose Pagliery @Jose_Pagliery 2h
Several news outlets have profiled Jack Smith. None examined his work in Europe. Most even misidentified the international court he worked on.

After weeks of reporting, @thedailybeast takes the first close look at his impressive & controversial history:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-special-prosecutor-jack-smith-has-a-history-of-indicting-presidents

from DB:

“It’s not like this is his first rodeo,” said David Schwendiman, who led the Kosovo investigation until Smith took over. “It has huge political consequences. It takes bravery. Jack’s got to decide whether he’s going to indict a former president of the United States. But he did the same thing when it came to Hashim Thaçi.”

Kosovo’s now ex-president remains trapped inside a jail in the Dutch city of The Hague. Understanding how he got there helps contextualize Smith’s legacy at the controversial international prosecutor’s office he led until last month—and his ability to face Trump now.
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Sources for this story unanimously noted that Smith’s experience combating the Kosovo hero narrative prepares him for the onslaught brought by Trump, who has used social posts and interviews with propagandists to cast doubt on the FBI’s two ongoing investigations. And several drew parallels between the challenges he faced with Albanian mob tactics and the ones he does now, as he leads the effort against an American president who has shielded himself with MAGA loyalists.

Smith, they said, is a natural fit.

read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-special-prosecutor-jack-smith-has-a-history-of-indicting-presidents
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Jack Smith Has a History of Indicting Presidents (Original Post) bigtree Dec 2022 OP
That's encouraging. Vinca Dec 2022 #1
Thanks for the article, very interesting. emulatorloo Dec 2022 #2
I really hope we will get a Smithmas nt spooky3 Dec 2022 #3
tenuous analogy bigtree Dec 2022 #4
This is probably why Garland appointed him, and not somebody else. GoCubsGo Dec 2022 #5
Jack Smith, Giantslayer GenXer47 Dec 2022 #6
Nice! H2O Man Dec 2022 #8
Ooh loving this! flying_wahini Dec 2022 #13
This is good! n/t ms liberty Dec 2022 #14
Someone caught that scene on their smart phone Uncle Joe Dec 2022 #15
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2022 #7
Daily Beast has been doggin' this story about Jack Smith FakeNoose Dec 2022 #9
We shall see, time will tell republianmushroom Dec 2022 #10
I hope Smithmas is better than Fitzmas IronLionZion Dec 2022 #11
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought it will still be Garland's decision as to charging trump. Katinfl Dec 2022 #12
What scares you about it? wnylib Dec 2022 #16
Depends on how long Smith takes. There are only 13 months until the Rethug primaries start. Garland Celerity Dec 2022 #18
Smith is working quickly. I very much doubt wnylib Dec 2022 #24
Indictment sooner rather than later? Slgal64 Dec 2022 #26
Add a 'boo hoo' from me, too. Welcome! marble falls Dec 2022 #27
Smith will make recommendations to Garland based on sealed indictments from Justice matters. Dec 2022 #19
Incorrect. Smith will present HIS decisions, and then Garland will personally sign off on them. ancianita Dec 2022 #20
That's not a worry of mine. ShazzieB Dec 2022 #22
Looks like AG Garland made the correct choice. ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2022 #17
YES musclecar6 Dec 2022 #21
May Smith sweep through the Trump crowd with the scythe of justice, Emrys Dec 2022 #23
So, Garland intentionally called in a president hunter lame54 Dec 2022 #25

GoCubsGo

(34,939 posts)
5. This is probably why Garland appointed him, and not somebody else.
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 01:39 PM
Dec 2022

When you're coming after the king, bring in your best sharp-shooter.

 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
6. Jack Smith, Giantslayer
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 01:41 PM
Dec 2022

Jack Smith climbed up the beanstalk
To have a look around
While there, he felled a giant
Ten tons and twenty pounds
'Twas not a goose's egg he found
But that of a bold, bald eagle
He returned that egg to the citizens
And restored the meaning of "legal".

Katinfl

(847 posts)
12. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought it will still be Garland's decision as to charging trump.
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 03:05 PM
Dec 2022

Smith will investigate and present to Garland but it’s still Garland’s decision. That is what kind of scares me.

wnylib

(26,158 posts)
16. What scares you about it?
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 03:21 PM
Dec 2022

Would Garland have appointed Smith, knowing his experience and ability, if he did not intend to endorse his investigation? It makes no sense to think that Garland would squash Smith's findings. After all, if Garland wanted a cover up, he would have chosen a less capable person.

I credit Garland with recognizing what he was up against and knowing that he needed someone with special expertise.

Celerity

(54,571 posts)
18. Depends on how long Smith takes. There are only 13 months until the Rethug primaries start. Garland
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 03:48 PM
Dec 2022

will likely not indict Trump in the middle of an active POTUS election.

wnylib

(26,158 posts)
24. Smith is working quickly. I very much doubt
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 04:51 PM
Dec 2022

that indictments will take that long. But even if they did, there is no law or rule that a candidate cannot be indicted. It's only a custom or tradition. How fitting it would be for the breaker of traditions to be indicted by a breaking of tradition.

But I am pretty sure that it won't come to a late date like that. A couple weeks ago I posted here that I thought the indictments would occur by June, 2023 or before. Since then a few political pundits have expressed the same view, especially after yesterday's J6 committee hearing. One of them said that he expected indictments by March.

Slgal64

(1 post)
26. Indictment sooner rather than later?
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 07:16 AM
Dec 2022

Tho I hope the Indictment comes sooner rather than later, the Ex Prez will probably face the Ga charges first and I believe the consequences of that probe will get the ball rolling. And NOT in his favor.Boo Hoo

Justice matters.

(9,850 posts)
19. Smith will make recommendations to Garland based on sealed indictments from
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 03:51 PM
Dec 2022

the DC Grand Jury (50%+1 vote requirements) and the evidence the succesful votes were based on.

I doubt the evidence will not result in unanimous votes from Grand Jurors to indict (under seal) in both J6 and documents investigations.

Then Garland will have no choice, based on his promise that no one is above the law no matter his previous title or position, then to unseal the indictments and bring up corresponding charges.

ancianita

(43,310 posts)
20. Incorrect. Smith will present HIS decisions, and then Garland will personally sign off on them.
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 03:58 PM
Dec 2022

ShazzieB

(22,677 posts)
22. That's not a worry of mine.
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 04:34 PM
Dec 2022

Take a look at what Garland said when he announced the appointment of Smith as special counsel. Here's a brief excerpt:

"Today, I signed an order appointing Jack Smith to serve as special counsel. The order authorizes him to continue the ongoing investigation into both of the matters that I have just described and to prosecute any federal crimes that may arise from those investigations."

Later, he added the following: "As special counsel, he will exercise independent prosecutorial judgment to decide whether charges should be brought."

The full text of Garland's statement is available in multiple sources. I'm quoting from this source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/11/18/transcript-merrick-garland-jack-smith-special-prosecutor/10728962002/

It sounds to me like Smith has been given a great deal of independence, including the authority to prosecute as he sees fit. Nowhere does Garland say Smith won't be able to prosecute someone without Garland's approval, and saying he will "exercise independent prosecutorial judgment to decide whether charges should be brought" indicates the opposite to me.

I have a hard time imaging why Garland would go to the trouble of appointing such a uniquely qualified person to do this job and make such a point of emphasizing the special prosecutorial authority he's been given, if he did not intend to allow Smith to fully exercise that authority.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,943 posts)
17. Looks like AG Garland made the correct choice.
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 03:39 PM
Dec 2022

TSFG is no match for Jack Smith app apparently.

musclecar6

(1,884 posts)
21. YES
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 04:23 PM
Dec 2022


I completely agree with your thinking. The J6 committee has said the stage for a top-notch relentless capable prosecutor to carry the ball. My sense is Merrick Garland is ready to indict this despicable ex-president and has brought in the best guy for the job, to go after our national disgrace, full tilt.

From all I’ve read and heard, Jack Smith is not intimidated by the likes of Trump. Trump ought to be worried, but he’s so cocksure full of himself, he probably isn’t. if the Republican Congress had the intestinal fortitude to stand up to this bully to begin with, we won’t be in the mess we’re in now. That’s why a guy like Jack Smith is sorely needed at this time.

Emrys

(9,148 posts)
23. May Smith sweep through the Trump crowd with the scythe of justice,
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 04:41 PM
Dec 2022

then move on to prosecuting Russian war crimes.

I get the feeling he might enjoy that.

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