What the Bible says about lying?

[kentuck]

Proverbs 19:5

“A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape.”

John 8:44

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

[Atticus]

1. But---but---"Two Corinthians"! nt

[Fullduplexxx]

2. Doesn't matter all you have to do is " bath in the blood of Jesus " and all is well just ask

Hershel

[patricia92243]

3. One of the ten commandments says don't bear false witness.

[Genki Hikari]

17. Against your neighbor.

And then wait for the definition of "neighbor" you get back.

It won't jibe with your definition of it.

[LakeArenal]

4. Yeah. It also says in the Big Ten, You won't commit adultery.

But that doesn’t stop a lot of them.

It’s a crazy rule book where lying is up there with killing. But hey….No mention of pedophilia or sex trafficking. So republicans are good for that.

[Walleye]

7. And they've never explained what the hell is a graven image

[LakeArenal]

8. Apparently not the white Jesus hanging from a cross.

[Walleye]

11. Yes that's what confuses me. As a photographer it sounds like they're forbidding my whole profession

[Celerity]

30. or white jeebus on a dino

[LakeArenal]

31. Yikes!

[old as dirt]

37. More Than Birds (Extreme Parody) A Capella Science

Yikes!

[LakeArenal]

33. I was forced to a different Christian Bible schools every summer.

I’ve been Protestant, Episcopalian, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran and Reformed Lutherans.

Some did say graven images. Others said craven images. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Reformed Lutherans are cray cray.

I’m an atheist now.

[Walleye]

34. That's funny. Craven image doesn't make any more sense there

[LakeArenal]

36. Seriously, does any of it make sense?

They make it up to suit their agenda.

As Cap’n Jack Sparrow would say:
They’re only guide lines.

[Genki Hikari]

18. Most of the ten rules are useless

Thou shalt have no other gods before me - It would be a violation of the 1A to make this a law.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image - It would be a violation of the 1A to make this a law.

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy G-d in vain - It would be a violation of the 1A to make this a law.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy - It would be a violation of the 1A to make this a law.

Honour thy father and thy mother - Not legally binding in the least; may even violate 1st Amendment free expression and free association provisions.

Thou shalt not kill - Laws do prohibit this, but that's universal, not unique to Abrahamic cultures.

Thou shalt not commit adultery - Not universally a binding law, and, even where it is official statue in the West, it's rarely enforced.

Thou shalt not steal - Laws do prohibit this, but that's universal, not unique to Abrahamic cultures.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour - Limited legal applicability (perjury, defamation, libel, slander, fraud), but for politics and garden variety lying? Few if any laws at all.

Thou shalt not covet - ZERO laws, and even actively prevented from becoming law in most of the world, because capitalism could not exist if this were illegal.

So two of them are actual law, and one of them has limited enforcement. The rest are either ignored or illegal in and of themselves, at least in the US.

So why bother with such a useless "guide" to life?

[LakeArenal]

19. I don't need a handbook to tell me right and wrong.

Concepts understood long before Jews and especially long before Christians.

[Genki Hikari]

26. My point, exactly

[wnylib]

28. Apples and oranges.

3000 year old tribal religious law versus modern secular law.

[wnylib]

20. Not specifically pedophilia, but

Jesus did say that "Whoever harms one of these little ones, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck."

[Genki Hikari]

27. And he was also fine with having them executed

If they disobeyed. Gave the other Jews grief over it, even.

See: Matthew 15.

[wnylib]

29. All I see in that chapter is Jesus calling out

hypocrisy, not advocating stoning. He's the one who halted the stoning of a woman.

[MissMillie]

5. GOPers use the Bible to find faults in others

They never mean to apply it to themselves.

Interestingly enough... a couple of months ago I read an Op-Ed from a minister who pointed out that Jesus never instructed his followers to point out the sins of other, but rather, he instructed them to live their lives as an example of how God's grace has saved them.

(I guess it's not really all that interesting. Well, the Op-Ed was interesting. It's not at all interesting that some "Christians" will ignore whatever parts of "Christianity" that don't fit their political agenda.)

[Genki Hikari]

21. Why put it in quotes?

They are members of the religion. They merely follow different parts of the book, or interpret it differently.

That doesn't mean they aren't sincere believers. Because they are.

[MissMillie]

32. I think they ones that behave this way

are hypocrites... and there's nothing Christian about this behavior.

[wnylib]

23. Jesus' advice to people pointing out

the faults in others was to stop going after the speck in someone else's eyes and remove the beam stuck in your own eye.

[RKP5637]

6. ... but, but, but if you're a MAGA, you interpret the bible as you wish and as you need! n/t

[LakeArenal]

9. And..... you can murder someone on 5th Ave....

As long as you repent five seconds before you die.

[Walleye]

12. If you are Trump you don't even need to repent.

[old as dirt]

35. "We call on the President to repent"

[GoodRaisin]

16. Of course. The same way you interpret the Constitution.

[Genki Hikari]

24. It's what all members of the religion do

Zero exceptions.

Only a schizophrenic could find a coherent ideology from the entire book. Everyone else has to pick and choose what parts to accept and adhere to.

I mean, really, after the guy in the second part says that all the laws will be in effect until the earth ends (Matthew 5:18), you do realize that means that all those nasty OT laws about slavery, forcing rape victims to marry their rapists, executing homosexuals and disobedient children and so on (and on and on and on and on) are all still required as per the book...right?

So why aren't "real" members of the faith carrying out those laws, after their own deity told them they were still valid?

Because they pick and choose. Just like the fundagelicals do. There is no difference between them when it comes to that.

It's a feature of the religion, not a bug.

[milestogo]

10. Lying is the same as speaking if you are a Republican.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

13. But then those who enjoy digging into theological paradoxes are confronted with the two major

counterexamples in the Hebrew scriptures. The two acts of deception, those of the midwives protecting Hebrew babies from death in Exodus and Rahab lying to protect the Israeli spies in Joshua, that while not commanded by God, appear to be righteous in the stories.

Rahab's actions were also praised by James in the Christian text.

Nothing righteous about Donald J Trump's actions--in the unlikely event that that needs to be made explicit.

But there is some nuance that's historical provoked discussion of the biblical stance over lying and deception.

[old as dirt]

22. There's lots of historical nuance in religion, ...

...particularly across cultures.

My wife, for example, comes from a (Catholic) palenque culture created centuries ago by cimarrones (runaway slaves) that was famous for their cattle rustling throughout the 1700s and early 1800s, among other things.

Apparently, according to historians, every family grouping was allotted one cow a week.

According to secular colonial authorities at the time, cattle rustling was actually considered as a crime.

Of course, today her culture and religion is celebrated as part of the rich multicultural history of Cauca and of Colombia.

[GenXer47]

14. What does Roman propaganda say about lying?

That's hilarious.

[kentuck]

15. It depends on what people believe...

...whether it is in the Bible or on DU.