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Would MAGA have sided with the AXIS or ALLIES during WW ll ? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2022 OP
Rachel Maddow podcast: Ultra unc70 Dec 2022 #1
Was gonna say the same thing. Happy Hoosier Dec 2022 #4
I think the Vegas odds would be they would've sided with the Axis. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #2
I completely agree. GP6971 Dec 2022 #34
Hey DSB. Great poll. emulatorloo Dec 2022 #3
I could see them sarisataka Dec 2022 #5
An unanswered question is the amount of profit Tetrachloride Dec 2022 #6
Neither. They are isolationists. Kaleva Dec 2022 #7
Well, so many never did college, and live in trailers parks and their mom's basements Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #8
Well Prescott Bush, W's grandfather was a Nazi sympathizer and dugog55 Dec 2022 #9
George H W Bush had to fight in the Pacific because he certainly could not fight his family friends keithbvadu2 Dec 2022 #13
That is really an outrageous smear and not appreciated by this son of a Naval/Marine Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #17
Not everyone's family supported the Nazis even as we were at war with them. keithbvadu2 Dec 2022 #19
Well, we had a beloved president from our party who fought (and nearly died) in the Pacific Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #20
"appeased" keithbvadu2 Dec 2022 #21
Yes. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #23
Yes LeftInTX Dec 2022 #24
I forgot about Joe K LeftInTX Dec 2022 #22
But his progeny did more than separate themselves from his noxious views. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2022 #25
Exactly. LeftInTX Dec 2022 #26
Not a good excuse for smearing the World War II service of GHW Bush. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #27
I didn't do that. I don't think Bush Pere was a NAZI. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2022 #28
My apologies. I think I misinterpreted your post. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #31
I think the literal Nazis would ally themselves with the other literal Nazis Takket Dec 2022 #10
No brainer: Turbineguy Dec 2022 #11
They would have split about 60/40 for the allies Tom Rinaldo Dec 2022 #12
Pretty sure they are the direct ideological descendents of... jcgoldie Dec 2022 #14
Axis jonstl08 Dec 2022 #15
This is the exact same segment of the population that wanted to stay under the British Crown... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2022 #16
Staying under the British crown in retrospect might not have been the worst idea ColinC Dec 2022 #18
I'm from a German American family Trenzalore Dec 2022 #29
MAGA is the Axis iemanja Dec 2022 #30
If MAGA had been around during the 40s, we'd currently be under Nazi rule. Initech Dec 2022 #32
Their equivalents at that time DID side with the Axis JHB Dec 2022 #33
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
8. Well, so many never did college, and live in trailers parks and their mom's basements
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 12:49 PM
Dec 2022

And given how 'drafts' generally go down in the USA ... a lot them (or their offspring) would've been off fighting for the Allies whether they liked it or not. Hell a lot of them would've already been in the military.

A lot of them would've been rooting for the Nazi's prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor and the alliance between Germany and Japan that came soon after, but once those two things happened, I don't think MAGA's by and large would've been pro-Axis.

IMHO, this is by nature such an anachronistic question that's it's really unanswerable. It's kinda like, could the '72 Dolphins have beaten any Super Bowl winner of the past decade?

Too much has changed to answer that. Same with this question.

dugog55

(296 posts)
9. Well Prescott Bush, W's grandfather was a Nazi sympathizer and
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 01:04 PM
Dec 2022

the family made money off their German connections for decades after the war. The whole story so far as known now is at this link.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

keithbvadu2

(37,172 posts)
13. George H W Bush had to fight in the Pacific because he certainly could not fight his family friends
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 01:18 PM
Dec 2022

George H W Bush had to fight in the Pacific because he certainly could not fight his family friends in Germany.

Just a theory.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
17. That is really an outrageous smear and not appreciated by this son of a Naval/Marine
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 01:41 PM
Dec 2022

combat fighter-pilot who nearly died fighting fascists in the Pacific (and who lost so many squadron mates in the Pacific, and friends in both theatres).

Men (and women) fought where their respective services sent them. All risked their lives. All fought fascism.





keithbvadu2

(37,172 posts)
19. Not everyone's family supported the Nazis even as we were at war with them.
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 03:02 PM
Dec 2022

GWHB fought the good fight in the Pacific.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
20. Well, we had a beloved president from our party who fought (and nearly died) in the Pacific
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 03:08 PM
Dec 2022

who also had a powerful father who appeased Nazis.

It is rather disgusting to smear those who risked their lives to fight fascism due to the sins of their fathers or the theater of war they were sent to fight in.

Really not cool.

LeftInTX

(25,940 posts)
24. Yes
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 03:20 PM
Dec 2022

Appeasement
Kennedy rejected the belief of Winston Churchill that any compromise with Nazi Germany was impossible. Instead, he supported Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's policy of appeasement. Throughout 1938, while the Nazi persecution of the Jews in Germany intensified, Kennedy attempted to arrange a meeting with Adolf Hitler.[47] Shortly before the Nazi bombing of British cities began in September 1940, Kennedy once again sought a personal meeting with Hitler without the approval of the U. S. Department of State, in order to "bring about a better understanding between the United States and Germany".[48]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_Sr.

Kennedy did not want the US to provide military support to Great Britain. When London was bombed, he took off with his family. The Brits were not too pleased with him. Roosevelt recalled him. Kennedy had a bit of Lindberg "influence".

Tom Rinaldo

(22,919 posts)
12. They would have split about 60/40 for the allies
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 01:17 PM
Dec 2022

...Probably 3/4's of them had strong sympathy for Axis ideology (less than that would have backed the holocaust had they known of it at the time), but a good number are hard wired knee jerk "patriots" who would have sided with the Allies after America was attacked at Pearl Harbor.

jcgoldie

(11,674 posts)
14. Pretty sure they are the direct ideological descendents of...
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 01:20 PM
Dec 2022

… those who did in fact support the Nazis… at least until Pearl Harbor.

jonstl08

(412 posts)
15. Axis
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 01:20 PM
Dec 2022

With their extreme nationalism and white supremecy there is no doubt in my mind they would have been part of the Axis alliance.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,387 posts)
16. This is the exact same segment of the population that wanted to stay under the British Crown...
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 01:34 PM
Dec 2022

Last edited Wed Dec 21, 2022, 02:07 PM - Edit history (1)

In the late 1700's. The exact same segment that was against entering WWI and as pointed out above, the exact same segment that Rachel Maddow is referencing in her "Ultra" podcast series, which I HEARTILY recommend listening to.

The same segment that was or still is:

Against giving women the right to vote.
Against desegregation.
Against the Civil Rights Act.
Against Unions and the right of workers to form one.
Against all of "The New Deal" programs.
Against every single program that provided for basic needs such as food, shelter, education, and healthcare to residents of the U.S.
Against Public Schools.
Against Publicly funded or guaranteed unemployment and disability insurance.
Against subsidies for housing, pensions, and health insurance programs.
Against Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children's Health Insurance Program.
Against Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP or "Food Stamps" )
Against virtually every single social and economic program the benefited the masses from the very first one to today.

The American Progressive has been dragging these assholes, kicking and screaming, into the future for 250 years.


NONE OF THIS SHOULD BE A SURPRISE TO ANYONE.

ColinC

(8,372 posts)
18. Staying under the British crown in retrospect might not have been the worst idea
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 01:48 PM
Dec 2022

I imagine our government would have turned out a bit more like Canada than our current system. Or perhaps we would BE Canada. 🤔

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
29. I'm from a German American family
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 08:31 PM
Dec 2022

My grandmother turned in her German American neighbors who were holding Nazi meetings prior and right after the start of the war.

There were plenty of Hitler loving assholes in America in 1941.

JHB

(37,170 posts)
33. Their equivalents at that time DID side with the Axis
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 08:47 PM
Dec 2022

I mean, anyone who's been around conservatives long enough gets to realize how big a chunk of them's main beef with the Nazis was that they were "the other team." And really, they would have preferred teaming up with them to end the Commie Reds.

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