Why does MAGA hate Ukraine and love Russia?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

[Turbineguy]

1. They hate most Americans.

[vlyons]

2. Because the Big Loser is friendly to Russia, and

they go along with whatever the Big Loser tells them to like/dislike. And since Russia is waging war on Ukraine, they back Russia. Critical thinking is not part of their skill set.

[temporary311]

3. Because Russian psyops tell them to.

And they're very, very gullible.

[SheltieLover]

7. This!👆

[Ohioboy]

13. Yes, this times 1000

[Midnight Writer]

25. I agree.

They are not sophisticated thinkers and are readily manipulated. Russia has a lot of influence in Right Wing circles.

[GoCubsGo]

26. And, a whole bunch of them are in Russia's pockets.

No doubt some of the dark money that finances their campaigns comes from Sweet Daddy Vlad.

[zuul]

4. TFG taught them that Putin good, USA bad.

So that when bad news about TFG and Putin came to light, he could say "See, I'm being persecuted."

[grumpyduck]

9. Yup, psyops and tfg and Faux Noise.

I don't even believe most of them know what's going on over there or that they really love Russia. I think most of it is that they hate Ukraine, like they may not necessarily love the repukes but they hate the Democrats. That's what they're told to do.

[2naSalit]

5. They hate us for our freedom.

[Sky Jewels]

46. Ha ha, good one.

[SheltieLover]

6. Because Zelenskyy would not lie for the slob

[GoCubsGo]

27. That's definitely a huge part of it. nt

[SheltieLover]

35. And the fact that the slob & his wife are ruskie assets!

[GoCubsGo]

40. As are a whole bunch of Congressional and Senatorial Republicans.

Y'all went to the Kremlin on the Fourth of July, why????

[onecaliberal]

8. They hate america too.

[Joe Cool]

10. Because they owe Russia

Bigly.

If it weren't for Russian interference in 2016 Hillary wins and Trump is taken out to the ash heap of history.

No doubt more than 88k voters in three key states were influenced enough by the round-the-clock propaganda Russian trolls posted on social media to sway their votes to Trump from Hillary.

[jcgoldie]

11. Most of them get their news from fox news and facebook

Where do you think that comes from?

[Meadowoak]

12. They can't think for themselves, they just do as they're told.

[Ocelot II]

14. Because TFG likes Putin.

[moondust]

15. Kleptocrats of a feather.

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[gulliver]

16. Trump

Trump tried to make stooges of Ukraine and Zelensky. They wouldn't cooperate. MAGA is just willingly acting as Trump's enforcing arm. The bar owner wouldn't pay the protection money; the enforcers show up in the night with matches and gasoline. Old story.

[Bleacher Creature]

17. Because the entire movement is about a single person who is beholden to Russia. NT

[kysrsoze]

18. Need to go a level lower. They'll eat whatever shit they're fed by GOP. Once Dump is gone,

it'll be Desantis or whoever to tell them how to think. These people are hive-minded, and unquestioning.

[liberal N proud]

19. They hate democracy

[D_Master81]

20. Because Russian troll farms hit RW sites hard

Russia works hard on feeding propaganda to the RW sites and social media and they don’t even realize it. I have a cousin that this morning shared a post saying to vote no on the omnibus bill because $45 billion is going to Ukraine. I just shake my hand and say well that’s Russian propaganda.

[Cartoonist]

21. Pedophilia

They think Putin is waging a war against pedophilia and bio-labs. He's the savior of the West.

I learned this from my maga brother.

[usonian]

22. Some recent history to peruse.

“Democracy in Crisis: We’ve Been Headed Here for Decades.” Part 1of 8
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/6/2044226/-America-2021-The-Good-the-Bad-the-Ugly
Read all 8 to get the "plan" in detail.
This is all a Russian plan. Started years ago.
https://pastebin.com/raw/evbnN5y7

snippets: (article is mine/opinion)
While legislators and DOJ investigate a failed coup attempt at the Capitol, a successful coup has overtaken the USSC, which is dismantling the Constitution in an effort concerted with right-wing domestic terrorists, the GOP, oligarchs, Christian Nationalists and others, a Mitchavillian (!) scheme that follows the Russian strategy to divide and destroy the United States:

Simply put, Normalize hate and violence. Stochastic terrorism. Bring down elected government and democratic processes. This was also seen in 30’s Germany,

We are in a state of emergency, and are today divided into slave and free states.

The suspected instigator and supporter, Russia, has proven itself to be a third-rate power, relying on agents within the U.S. who sabotage the U.S. with acts of terrorism, insurrection and sedition, a second civil war.

Pieces of the puzzle fit perfectly. They involve: The RW shift from issues to outright terrorism and Russian messaging, Russia’s dependence on oil, their State-Adopted Religion and white dominance, long-term plans to annex Ukraine, divisive “bot” posts on social media, a major news outlet praising Putin, sponsorship of NRA to encourage mob rule, fear and domestic terrorism over constitutional government. (more detail below)

HOW DO WE KNOW THIS?

When you start with the premise that Russia has instigated a campaign of disruption in the U.S. to bolster its aims, ALL the pieces fit together perfectly.

1. The conservative movement took a hard swing right from its Limbaugh days of conservative issues and hate to pure hate and destruction. This coincides with the breakup of the Soviet Union. Anti-Soviet messaging ceased.

2. Russia’s economy is extremely oil-dependent. Oil interests control many legislators, and reap massive subsidies and favors.

3. Russia is an Orthodox “Christian in name only”, mostly white state. The church blesses nuclear warheads and Putin has declared his intention to expand his White Christian Nationalism.

4. Putin wants Ukraine. Arguably, that is the cause of his interference in the 2015 election to install an asset as president and weaken NATO, effectively delivering him Ukraine.

5. Bots spread lies and divisive messages to get Americans to fight one another.

6. A major news outlet repeatedly praises Putin, when there’s nothing apparent to gain by doing so. On the surface, anyway.

7. Russia financed and infiltrated the NRA with the goal of replacing constitutional government with mob rule, and domestic terrorism.

8. It is the M.O. of fiends to get people to believe in causes that are against their own best interest.

9. And yet! When a dictator takes power, their beloved “freedom fighters” become their biggest threat, so AWAY WITH YOUR GUNS. Courts that destroyed constitutional law to put them in place become useless baggage, so SAY GOODBYE.

10. The abortion issue is just the first volley. They have others at the ready, and are working top-down and bottom-up to destroy constitutional rights, the constitution and the country, and hand it over.

[Tomconroy]

23. Putin is anti gay, pro fundamentalist christian, anti tolerance.

They love him.

[dchill]

24. Trump has led them down an ever-narrowing hallway...

...and they can't turn around. Metaphorically speaking.

[gohuskies]

30. and to add to the list

Most of all the MAGAt movement is filled with anti-democracy values and into full on fascism. It is a cancer that will be hard to remove from the American psyche going forward.

[dchill]

31. It will be hard, but we must try.

Germany is still working on it.

[ColinC]

28. Axis. I think a large portion of America did at least secretly side with Hitler

I had an ancestor who only after she died it was revealed in her diaries that she was hoping Hitler won the war.

[dchill]

33. Which tells us this: never keep a diary!

[enough]

29. They share core principles: white supremacy and hatred of LGBTQ+

[Karadeniz]

32. Because it's proven that Russia helps them cheat.

[DFW]

34. MAGAts like bullies, not underdogs. They just do not see things the way we do.

In a nutshell, to their way of thinking, "Fair Play" is stupid.

[chowder66]

36. Because something is seriously wrong with them. nt

[bluestarone]

37. Because 50% of Americans

LOST THEIR FUCKING MINDS!

[Chakaconcarne]

38. Because Russian bots/fake accounts are MAGA

[Runningdawg]

39. They hate Ukraine because they think Biden is operating bio labs there and Hunter is covering it up

It should be obvious why they like Russia. Like TFG, Putin hates the same people they do.

[Peacetrain]

41. You have no idea what a powerful question that is.. and how the answer is almost too scary

to contemplate

MAGA is owned by the Russians, North Koreans and all other dictatorial governments.. People have sold out our country for a political stance. Cowards stick with cowards.. and that is what it is.. cowards

[Demanchor]

42. It's not that they hate Ukraine and love Russia.

It’s that they’ve never been taught nor willing to learn how to think critically and make choices.

They rely on “God’s will”.

Living under authoritarian rule relieves them of accountability and responsibility. They not only want their choices made for them but they absolutely want those same choices made on behalf of others as well. That way they are superior. That way no one can make choices outside of their God’s will.

Uniqueness is abhorrent to them.

When Jews educate about the holocaust do you think they forget that lgbtq, socialists, journalists, disabled, gypsys and all nazi targets weren’t involved as well? What’s that saying about it didn’t affect me until it did and no one left to defend me?

If the targeted groups don’t come together it’s Jews who have to tell the story again. And again there will be holocaust deniers because we didn’t learn.

If Bible thumpers actually agreed with their shit we’d be dissolving this threat much more quickly than we are.

To those Bible thumpers let me express your peril…. You’re lukewarm. God will spit you out!

These are the same people who thought Islam could defeat their extremism within.

If Christians don’t defeat the extremism within their ranks they are lukewarm. They are nazi sympathizers.

I personally don’t accept god’s will. I accept my choice and am more than willing to meet the Christian god face to face.

This isn’t about liking one country over another. It’s about whether you’re willing to defend your personal choices.

[frogmarch]

43. MAGA thinks ("thinks") that

hating Ukraine and loving Russia is sticking it to the Libs. Period.

[FlyingPiggy]

44. Bc populists will support anything that will propogate their racism and antisemitism

[Cha]

45. RussiaFascist Nazis.. Ukraine

EEMOCRACY!

[mackdaddy]

47. They have been for Russia taking Ukrane since at least the Feb 2014 invasion.

This was before Trump and MAGA officially existed.

One of the local AM stations here in SE Ohio used to have an odd mix of both Right and Left radio shows. Stephanie Miller in the morning and Alex Jones in the afternoon for real. I would listen as background while I worked in my shop.

Alex jones was always out there, but about this time was when he doubled down on crazy. Selling snake oil supplements and cheating on his wife, and big on what became MAGA and Oaf Keffers, Sandy hook lies, Etc. I stopped listening and even the radio station dropped this programming when it got so divisive.

But one of the tropes they were pushing was that it was entirely fine for Russia to take Crimea by force, as it was more Russian Bla Bla Bla. I will admit that I did not know much about it at the time, did not seem to have much to do with our politics, or my life in general.

But looking back on it Manafort and Stone were all over Russia and Ukraine, hooking up with Infowars and Breitbart and the Russia- NRA - Republican politicians in Moscow mess going on at the time.

So yes Russia was all over MAGA even before it was called MAGA. Looking back over the last 15 or so years it is amazing how much Russia and Putin's policies have been a part of the more screwed up aspects of our politics.

[LuckyCharms]

48. Because they're fucked in the head. n/t