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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJoe Lieberman to Kyrsten Sinema: Come on In, the Water's Warm
Few others know quite what its like to infuriate the Democratic Party by leaving it.https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/us/politics/joe-lieberman-kyrsten-sinema-democrats.html
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If theres anyone in America who knows what its like to infuriate your party as you leave it behind, its Joe Lieberman, the former vice-presidential candidate and senator from Connecticut who made a similar calculation when he became an independent Democrat in 2006 and won.
And though they differed over the Iraq war, which Lieberman, now 80, passionately supported, hes thrilled that Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona is joining him in exile to become the 22nd sitting senator since 1890 to switch parties. Sinema made her move official last week by filing federal paperwork as an independent candidate, though she has yet to say that she will run again in 2024.
Lieberman dared not risk another independent run in 2012, and is now a lobbyist. I spoke with him about life as a political apostate, his decision to endorse John McCain in the 2008 presidential election and how he threatened Democratic leaders who tried to punish him afterward. Heres our conversation, which has been edited for length and clarity:
Whats your reaction to Senator Sinemas decision to switch parties to become an independent?
Im encouraged by it. Were in a time when the two major parties have not played the role that they are intended to play, which is to help the country solve some of our problems, when in fact the two parties have become the problem, at least in the way they are behaving. And thats why, as I like to say, the fastest-growing political party in America is no party. Sinema hasnt said that shes running in 2024, but I dont think she has any choice but to run as an independent. Its possible that the Democrats would somehow make peace with her and renominate her. But I consider that to be so unlikely as to be impossible.
Im encouraged by it. Were in a time when the two major parties have not played the role that they are intended to play, which is to help the country solve some of our problems, when in fact the two parties have become the problem, at least in the way they are behaving. And thats why, as I like to say, the fastest-growing political party in America is no party. Sinema hasnt said that shes running in 2024, but I dont think she has any choice but to run as an independent. Its possible that the Democrats would somehow make peace with her and renominate her. But I consider that to be so unlikely as to be impossible.
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Joe Lieberman to Kyrsten Sinema: Come on In, the Water's Warm (Original Post)
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Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)1. Corporate whore to corporate whore
The moneys good
The Unmitigated Gall
(4,710 posts)2. Take your "both sides bad" bullshit, Joe...
And fucking RAIL yourself.
Sneederbunk
(17,777 posts)3. And which one will have a more odorous legacy.
MyOwnPeace
(17,677 posts)4. "The water's warm"..............
only because he peed in it first.......
Bristlecone
(11,254 posts)5. F Turncoat Joe. eom.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)6. Totally unforgiven and unforgotten. Same for his wannabe-spoiler son
who in 2020 tried a socioeconomic golden-ring grab from schoolteacher to U.S. senator (!) based solely on his father's name -- and running as a Democrat in GA's special election with dad's expert advice.
Not like GA or the nation had anything at stake that mattered.
As it became obvious he couldn't possibly win and was threatening to throw the seat, and the senate, to the Republicans, Democrats everywhere called on him to drop out. Lieberman's son refused, imagining his "this fuckwad fell right under the tree!" name recognition would HELP him with Democratic voters. Didn't quite work that way. Another Lieberman to never forget.
Blue Owl
(60,108 posts)7. Gross...