Conservative shreds right-wingers: 'Putin has embarrassed you in every conceivable way' Raw Story

[BootinUp]

Conservative shreds Russia-embracing right-wingers: 'Putin has embarrassed you in every conceivable way'

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"If you're a post-liberal populist, particularly of the Very Online variety, watching Putin go belly-up in Ukraine has dashed all sorts of political illusions," wrote Catoggio. "Your faith that strongmen are the best, most competent instrument for achieving political prerogatives is shaken. Your belief that woke Western militaries are no match on the battlefield for fascist machismo looks silly. Your hope of a great authoritarian victory over Ukraine that might inspire Americans to embrace nationalism and reject the global liberal order has disappeared along with 100,000 or so Russian soldiers."

"Even your sense of Putin as a champion of traditional Christianity has been ... complicated by the Kremlin's babbling about 'desatanization' while bombing schools and hospitals," continued Catoggio.

"Putin has embarrassed you in every conceivable way," concluded Catoggio. "Naturally, you hate Zelensky for it."

https://www.rawstory.com/russia-ukraine-war-2659002908/

[LakeArenal]

1. They just hate.

Starting with Hillary Clinton on up.

[underpants]

2. Fox sold Putin as the anti-Obama. Trump basically bowed to him several times

including saying the Ukraine invasion was “genius”. The Repubs fall in line like good little mindless bots.

[BootinUp]

3. and no amount of blood will sway them apparently

So reply #1 is pretty much right too.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

4. Embracing populism is always a big mistake.

[BootinUp]

5. Interesting comment.

populism may not be the best description of the bad stuff in recent US politics. More like demagoguery and other hateful stuff.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

6. Demagoguery and populism are indistinguishable.

Populism is the greatest threat o liberal democracy and always has been.

[Hekate]

7. Populism -- Demagoguery -- Mobocracy

Vox Populi becomes voice of the howling mob

[Just A Box Of Rain]

8. When populist demagogues fuel rage as their path to power

and make claims that “only some people are really people,” things never turn out well.

The same lesson of history keeps being repeated. When will people listen?

[Hortensis]

14. Rage, resentment, grievance, all aimed at "the establishment,

"the elites," "they," etc. by leaders who weaponize negativism (and systematic deceit) to gain POWER.
Power denied to them by majorities through normal routes.

Sure, a few populist leaders deceive to grow disillusion in pursuit of idealistic goals. But by far most who embrace this method are antagonistic, anti-establishment populist types themselves. (Problem!)

No matter the ideology or end goal claimed, ALL try to get power by inflaming the worst IN us and the worst AMONG us.

It should be no surprise that the dangerous negativism of populism so often leads to dreadful disasters for society at large and has brought down so many democracies.

[yardwork]

19. Maybe something in the way humans are wired?

[Just A Box Of Rain]

22. To some extent people are both angels and devils. Humans are complicated.

Those who are committed to embrace the good need to stay away from political movements that speak to people's darkest impulses.

History teaches the same lesson over and over and over again.

[BootinUp]

9. I am no political science major

so I will leave it to more educated people to debate.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

10. I was a political science major. The study of populism was a core element of my education.

This is the greatest threat we face as liberals. Bar none.

[IronLionZion]

11. What about populist liberals who want to put people over profit?

is that a threat to liberals?

[Lucky Luciano]

13. I appreciate part of what you're saying.

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The right wing populist movement is the worst possible thing.

The left style of Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren are very compatible with a liberal democracy given that Europe without its budding right wing populism is actually a healthy version of what they’re promoting.

Mobocracy (ochlocracy) is not what Sanders or Warren promote though they might be called populist.

[yardwork]

20. I was a history major who studied epidemics.

Human history is full of examples of how poorly we respond to crises. Epidemics, war, famine, major geopolitical upheavals - climate change - all bring out the worst in human societies. There are always a few examples of individual courage, but the overall response is for people to mob up, go crazy, and do horrible things.

I'm not feeling optimistic. I hope I'm wrong.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

21. Maintaining liberal democracy--given the occasions for humanity to yield to their worst impulses--

ain't easy.

It takes courage to stand against the ongoing threats.

[patphil]

12. Discussion of Populism from Encyclopedia Brittannica

https://www.britannica.com/topic/populism

As I see it, the problem with populism is that it is very easily manipulated by people who care little for the people at the root of all populist movements.
Populist movements aren't inherently evil, but they can produce a mob mentality that is easily steered toward goals that, in the end, don't do anything to resolve the issues that created the movement.

Essentially it's "anti-woke", and relies on maintaining the masses as brain dead zombies who will follow their leaders wherever they take them.
Does this sound familiar to you?

[Just A Box Of Rain]

15. Populism is inherently problematic because populist movements depend on fueling rage

instead of reason.

Liberalism only thrives when people use reason to solve problems. Angry mobs are not reasonable.

Populism is a sure path to authoritarianism/totalitarianism.

Never been otherwise.

[TomCADem]

16. That is from a conservative?

An anti-Russian essay from a conservative who does not automatically swoon at “de-satanization” propaganda? I am sure that de-satanization will be the new buzzword in the 2024 GOP primary.

[BootinUp]

17. I am not familiar with him but he appears to

have been writing for conservative tilted media for 20 years or so.

[JHB]

23. RW blogger once known as "Allapundit," former senior editor at Michelle Malkin's "Hot Air" site

He was one of the people who swarmed Dan Rather's 60 Minutes report on Bush's shady discharge from the TANG, and forced Rather into retirement because one of the documents had a somewhat less than clear pedigree (something that was used to "debunk" the entire issue, beyond the one document).

He appears to have faded back into the middling tiers of the conservative-industrial media complex after that, currently being a staff writer for the conservative digital media outlet The Dispatch.

So, while he may be a vicious, despicable, scum-of-the-earth foamer like the company he kept, he's one of the "moderate" foamers who wants a return to the status quo ante-Trumpum, when the hellbeast base he and the people like him fed and fostered was still in its pen and only stampeded in directions people like him told it to.

[TomCADem]

24. Ah, so RW Media Type Who Hates That Putin...

…took his bicycle. That is the irony. Republicans created this whole hate fueled media machine designed to mobilize people to support policies that help the 1 percent in return for suppressing women, minorities, the LGBT community, etc., then folks like Trump and Putin hijacked their hate filled machine right from under them.

[JHB]

26. It pays. Nobody else here looked up who he was. Over on MSNBC, you can't wave your arms without...

...slapping a NeverTrumper media type who built their careers on whipping up the foam.

And those are paying gigs. Not bad money for simply repeating things liberals have been trying to point out what Republicans were doing for the last few decades. But, they can't go and have actual liberals on air, can they? That would be silly.

[Grins]

18. All true! But the Reich-wingers won't notice, nor care if they do!

Putin has “embarrassed you in every conceivable way”?
Don’t care.

Putin going belly-up in Ukraine dashing their illusions?
Don’t care.

Strongmen are the best for political prerogatives?
Don’t carry.

Wrong that ‘woke’ militaries are no match for US/NATO?
Don’t care.

Because Tucker Carlson - and the rest of the vast Reich-wing Sturm und Drang machine - told them otherwise.

N.B. The author of this excellent piece used to blog under “allahpundit.”

[Cha]

25. TY! Shocking.. magats support

the Genocidal Maniac, Vlad Putin dt's Puppeteer.