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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 07:41 AM Dec 2022

This is my new name for J6.

The Coup of Fools.

Some people are saying Trump came very close to pulling off his coup. I call bullshit.

In order to pull off a coup in America, we are not a country in South America, Africa or the Middle East, this is America. You need complete control of the military and The Justice Dept. Trump had neither. Trump had control of the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, LOl.

You would have to arrest all your political opponents, judges, Governors, thousands of Biden supporters. You would have to take over the courts. If Trump declared martial law the military would have stood down. General Milley would have made sure of it.

It looks like Trumps plan relied on Pence stopping the vote count and then sending it back to States. That is laughable. Even if Pence did this it would have never been accepted. Biden, Pelosi, Democrats in Congress, Judges. Governors, Justice Dept, and 80 million Biden voters would have fought back.

This truly was the Coup of Fools.

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This is my new name for J6. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Dec 2022 OP
You have posted some very intriguing, provocative threads, gab13by13 Dec 2022 #1
The coup had no chance of being successful, that is the purpose of my thread. fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #2
What ever name you call it, the name should have..... The Republican Party...... included. Jack from Charlotte Dec 2022 #11
The US is way better at pulling off coups in other people's countries malaise Dec 2022 #3
Lol. fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #4
Happy Holidays my friend malaise Dec 2022 #5
I am with you on this one. True Blue American Dec 2022 #6
Great post malaise Dec 2022 #8
Same to you, Malaise! True Blue American Dec 2022 #12
Not to argue and I respect your opinion nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #7
Calling the J6 committee, gab13by13 Dec 2022 #9
Thinking the original post author referred to the J6 event Better Days Ahoy Dec 2022 #10
My comment stands no matter how many times I read the headline. gab13by13 Dec 2022 #14
they might have taken the bldg, for a day or 2. mopinko Dec 2022 #16
The bureaucracy NJCher Dec 2022 #34
Sure, understood. I don't have a dog in this fight so I'm not up for content discourse Better Days Ahoy Dec 2022 #17
You have to have little faith in our nation, people, to believe that foolish plot could have worked. fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #23
Agree 110% Better Days Ahoy Dec 2022 #33
Much attention and Praise True Blue American Dec 2022 #13
Where did you get that? fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #18
beau of the 5th column had a great take on this- what if they'd taken the building? mopinko Dec 2022 #15
"we have a flying oval office." BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #26
Mayonnaise Militia came close to delaying the transfer of power ... RealityBasedNewYorkr Dec 2022 #19
THIS malaise Dec 2022 #24
One National Guard unit would have wiped out the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys in the end. fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #28
The guard would have had breakfast, wiped them out and still been on time for lunch. The Jungle 1 Dec 2022 #32
The J6 committee did what an 'independent' media failed to do... rubbersole Dec 2022 #20
Agree, but the ever-present fascist right-wing cancer continues to grow...... KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2022 #21
You nailed it malaise Dec 2022 #25
Happy, peaceful holidays to you, Malaise. KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2022 #29
Stay safe my friend malaise Dec 2022 #31
Here is my completely unsupported theory. The Jungle 1 Dec 2022 #22
Good post. fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #27
their stupid little plot assumed the left would just lay down. mopinko Dec 2022 #30

gab13by13

(32,314 posts)
1. You have posted some very intriguing, provocative threads,
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 07:55 AM
Dec 2022

this isn't one of them.

I have no idea the purpose of this thread. There are at least a dozen events that could have happened that would have made the coup successful. Why do you think that Congress just passed the Electoral Count Act, for fun?

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
2. The coup had no chance of being successful, that is the purpose of my thread.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 08:02 AM
Dec 2022

They passed the Electoral Act to stop future fools from attempting a similar coup that would fail, but would disrupt our country like it's doing now.

Jack from Charlotte

(2,372 posts)
11. What ever name you call it, the name should have..... The Republican Party...... included.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:11 AM
Dec 2022

The Republican Party Insurrection
The Republican Party Coup
The J6 Republican Party Takeover
The Republican Party 2020 Election Seizure

No one on this board should refer to that event without including the name the organization responsible for the attempted overthrow of The American Government.

malaise

(296,076 posts)
5. Happy Holidays my friend
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 08:10 AM
Dec 2022

Truth is that you are correct - these fools don’t have a clue about the strength of institutions or the understanding that the majority like democracy.

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
6. I am with you on this one.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 08:35 AM
Dec 2022

Trump and his mobsters had no idea what they were going up against when they actually believed they could knock down the will of the people.

There are still pockets of their hateful behavior in some states. We need to knock them down, too.Texas, Arizona is going blue, a few Southern States. Georgia now has 2 Democratic Senators.

In my state Republicans had to cheat publicly to win. As the bills passed with help from Republicans begin to take effect we will see the changes.

Bills can still be passed in the House with a few decent Republicans. They are not all crazy.. it is just the crazies are the loudest now. That will pass,too.

malaise

(296,076 posts)
8. Great post
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 08:41 AM
Dec 2022

WaterMan always maintained that the institutions would hold.
At the end of the day, it’s the people in the institutions that stopped these crazy coup losers.
Happy Hokidays to you and yours

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
12. Same to you, Malaise!
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:15 AM
Dec 2022

Had a good one Christmas Day. The only day roads were clear enough to travel.

But I really think we are turning the corner. Inflation is easing off, the economy is changing drastically, will do more as those new companies come online. The whole work force is changing.

We had many break throughs in Science. Cancer cure is one.

We have a President we can be proud of. Even the media is talking about how Joe Biden has low ratings but then accomplishes much more than anyone with help from Republicans. The media has decided to do some soul searching about how they covered Politics. Do you think they will ever admit they lied? Hah, that will be the day!

So I wil take this minute to wish you and all posters one of the best New Years, ever!

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
7. Not to argue and I respect your opinion
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 08:37 AM
Dec 2022

But what about the "Lock her up" chants regarding Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi? Attempting to get AG Bill Barr to arrest Hillary? Asking Putin for dirt on Hunter Biden? I would say those were threats to his political opponents.

Trump also packed the court system, especially SCOTUS where even the wife of one of the Justices was pleading with Arizona to overturn the election.

As for General Milley and other military leaders, they serve at the leisure of the President and as such can be removed at any time at his or her discretion.

As for myself, it was an attempted coup, Trump came closer than we may like to think and it is still a possibility if the next attempt is led by someone more intelligent than Trump.

gab13by13

(32,314 posts)
9. Calling the J6 committee,
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 08:58 AM
Dec 2022

Coup of Fools is disgusting. If any of the main players of the coup attempt are held accountable, much credit must be given to the work of the J6 committee.

The J6 committee has always been way ahead of DOJ.

Better Days Ahoy

(706 posts)
10. Thinking the original post author referred to the J6 event
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:07 AM
Dec 2022

Not the J6 Committee. I read the headline twice. It helped.

gab13by13

(32,314 posts)
14. My comment stands no matter how many times I read the headline.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:31 AM
Dec 2022

I extremely disagree with the premise that the coup had no chance of success, that's not my opinion, that comes from expert opinion.

I challenge FFF to come up with one name of an expert who backs up his opinion that the coup had no chance of succeeding. My opinion means nothing as well as his/her opinion meaning nothing.

Underestimating Trump is a huge mistake.

mopinko

(73,723 posts)
16. they might have taken the bldg, for a day or 2.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:33 AM
Dec 2022

then what? our govt is way too big, way too complex, for a handful of nutballs to ever get a grip on it.
and when the military came for them, it’s over.

NJCher

(43,158 posts)
34. The bureaucracy
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 06:44 AM
Dec 2022

We have thousands upon thousands of government employees who are trained to do their job like it’s a democracy. This is where trump would have been tripped up. He knows it, too, because if you recall, he wanted to change the civil service system. In each of these every day examples, bureaucrats know how to respond.

A Freedom of Information Act request comes in. It’s fulfilled. Yes, there are probably a lot of blackouts, but you’ve got something to go on.

A police officer abuses you. Not easy, but you can sue him. You might be awarded millions. It happens.

You don’t like a particular condition in your community. Form an activist group and get supporters. Write a new law. Give it to your town council and ask them to pass it. Once your law is passed, call up the police when you need to and get the offending party arrested. Whether they like your law or not, they have to enforce it because you acted within the system, not like these idiots who think they can just change things by storming the Capital.
.
All of the above happen because of our system which allows for individual participation.
Bureaucrats are what really makes the government. They are the backbone.



Better Days Ahoy

(706 posts)
17. Sure, understood. I don't have a dog in this fight so I'm not up for content discourse
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:38 AM
Dec 2022

Just making sure you know that the author wasn't dissing the J6 Committee as fools. He referred to the perpetrators as fools. That was very clear whether or not you agree with the details of the post.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
23. You have to have little faith in our nation, people, to believe that foolish plot could have worked.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 10:10 AM
Dec 2022

Even if Pence went along, in the end it would have failed. Our military would never go along with a coup. You would have thousands of officers and NCO's refuse to be part of a coup. The same goes for the Justice Dept.

As a matter of fact Trump did try to take control of the Justice Dept. He was told if he put Clark in charge hundreds of prosecutors across the country would resign. Trump backed down.

Trump was told by Rudy. If you order the military to seize voting machines we will all go to jail. Trump backed down.

Do you really believe the American people would accept a dictatorship with Trump in charge? No way. You would need the entire military to control the people in order for a coup, a dictatorship to last. Our military does not work that way. I know I served in the military. In the military you can refuse illegal orders.

In the end, this could never work. It was the coup of fools.

Better Days Ahoy

(706 posts)
33. Agree 110%
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 12:06 AM
Dec 2022

No debate here.
Just helping the other responder to grasp that you weren't calling the J6 Committee a "coup of fools".

I referenced not having a dog in the "discussion" fight, not the fight to save our democracy or your original points.

Jesus Christ, we at DU spend a shit-ton of time 'splaining and re-'splaining when folks don't read posts for comprehension.

Follow the response sub-thread and you'll get what was happening between the other responder and me.

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
13. Much attention and Praise
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:22 AM
Dec 2022

Has been given to Liz Cheney for giving up her seat to help lead this committee, along with Kinzinger.

I predict good things for both of them in the future. They showed the character to stand up for the country, deny a corrupt President and a good share of her own party.

No matter what they do those 2 have more guts than most of their party.

mopinko

(73,723 posts)
15. beau of the 5th column had a great take on this- what if they'd taken the building?
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:31 AM
Dec 2022

nothing would happen. the building itself is not more important than a walmart.
he pointed out that since the cold war, our govt has been organized to withstand a decapitating nuclear attack. the chain of command goes through every secretary of every fed dept.
we have a flying oval office. layers upon layers.

and even if they took/held the bldg, they would never get the military behind them. even w a cadre of traitors in the ranks, they were never gonna hold on for more than a couple days. and they were never gonna get their hands on the real power.

i dont think any of them rly thought about what happens after they caught the car.

BumRushDaShow

(169,708 posts)
26. "we have a flying oval office."
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 10:20 AM
Dec 2022

To underscore what you wrote - we saw Shrub's use of it on 9/11 as the proof. I.e., excerpt from a book done by a former Politico editor ("The Only Plane in the Sky: An Oral History of 9/11" ) -

‘We’re the Only Plane in the Sky’

Where was the president in the eight hours after the Sept. 11 attacks? The strange, harrowing journey of Air Force One, as told by the people who were on board.

By GARRETT M. GRAFF

September 09, 2016

Nearly every American above a certain age remembers precisely where they were on September 11, 2001. But for a tiny handful of people, those memories touch American presidential history. Shortly after the attacks began, the most powerful man in the world, who had been informed of the World Trade Center explosions in a Florida classroom, was escorted to a runway and sent to the safest place his handlers could think of: the open sky.

For the next eight hours, with American airspace completely cleared of jets, a single blue-and-white Boeing 747, tail number 29000—filled with about 65 passengers, crew and press, and the 43rd president, George W. Bush, as well as 70 box lunches and 25 pounds of bananas—traversed the eastern United States. On board, President Bush and his aides argued about two competing interests—the need to return to Washington and reassure a nation and the competing need to protect the commander in chief. All the while, he and his staff grappled with the aftermath of the worst attack on American soil in their lifetimes, making crucial decisions with only flickering information about the attacks unfolding below. Bush struggled even to contact his family and to reach Vice President Dick Cheney in the White House bunker.

The story of those remarkable hours—and the thoughts and emotions of those aboard—isolated eight miles above America, escorted by three F-16 fighters, flying just below the speed of sound, has never been comprehensively told.

This oral history, based on more than 40 hours of original interviews with more than two dozen of the passengers, crew and press aboard—including many who have never spoken publicly about what they witnessed that day—traces the story of how an untested president, a sidearm-carrying general, top aides, the Secret Service and the Cipro-wielding White House physician, as well as five reporters, four radio operators, three pilots, two congressmen and a stenographer responded to 9/11.

(snip)

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/were-the-only-plane-in-the-sky-214230/


From what I understand, it can be refueled mid-air as well (although supposedly the new ones won't thanks to bullshit done by 45 but I bet that might change given what happened on 1/6 and as it is, Boeing's work on the new plane has only progressed in fits and starts). I discovered they also have some of these for comms (from here) -


The United States Air Force also has a set of four E-4Bs. Referred to as "The Doomsday Plane," these Boeing 747-200s have been modified to support the military's emergency communications needs and allow the country's most senior military officials to stay in charge and control during a doomsday-magnitude crisis. Photo: US National Archives
19. Mayonnaise Militia came close to delaying the transfer of power ...
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:55 AM
Dec 2022

…but I very much doubt it could have prevented it. Disgusting treason either way!

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
28. One National Guard unit would have wiped out the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys in the end.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 10:31 AM
Dec 2022

Did you notice they did not stick around too long. They all ran back to their States shitting their pants.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
32. The guard would have had breakfast, wiped them out and still been on time for lunch.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 11:13 AM
Dec 2022

The patriot front pukes came to Philly for a little walk in their white masks/hood.
Philly citizens RAN them out of town.

&ab_channel=6abcPhiladelphia
That is the right response.

rubbersole

(11,222 posts)
20. The J6 committee did what an 'independent' media failed to do...
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:58 AM
Dec 2022

..inform the American people what rot is at the pinnacle of our 'elected' government.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,782 posts)
21. Agree, but the ever-present fascist right-wing cancer continues to grow......
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 09:59 AM
Dec 2022

just as it has in my memories post-Nixon. I still suspect Nixon's failure was a wake-up call for right-wing billionaires to open the floodgates of money with no moral restrictions to slowly undermine the U.S. Government.

I agree with you and others posting here that an instant takeover of our government is nearly impossible, perhaps other than by nuclear armageddon.

The most absurd parts of the J6 rally are that it was entirely based on the Big Lie and yet tRump was able to attract hundreds of citizens to travel to Washington D.C. and endanger their futures based on that lie.

But what we must work to stop and reverse is:
* that slow corrosion of fear and hatred they promote that divides us like never before,
* right-wing administrative occupation of almost all of our public and social media,
* absurd, astronomical amounts of money being poured into our elections, and
* GOP non-stop lying to - and deceiving of - our general public with no consequences.


KY...........

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,782 posts)
29. Happy, peaceful holidays to you, Malaise.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 10:36 AM
Dec 2022

And, looking forward to your wise and informative posts in 2023. It's going to be a crazy year here and around the globe in many ways.

You're one DU'er we don't need to suggest you not go out on the roads this week......

Hell, we're now experiencing the start of a heat wave!



KY..........

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
22. Here is my completely unsupported theory.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 10:03 AM
Dec 2022

That our military told trump they would not support martial law.
President Donald Trump, in a White House meeting, weighed the idea of imposing martial law to overturn the election result, reported The New York Times and Axios.
The treasonous insurrection was to be the excuse to impose martial Law.
His generals hated trump.
It turned out that the generals had rules, standards, and expertise, not blind loyalty. The President’s loud complaint to John Kelly one day was typical: “You fucking generals, why can’t you be like the German generals?”

“Which generals?” Kelly asked.

“The German generals in World War II,” Trump responded.

“You do know that they tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off?” Kelly said.

I bet the orange fat man turned white that day

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
27. Good post.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 10:24 AM
Dec 2022

The only way you can put in place a dictatorship in America is to have complete control of the military. Not happening in our country.

Most people follow the constitution the law, in America.

Reminder, the Trump voters who stormed the capital. Most of them did not enter the Capital. Most of them were there to protest, not attack the Capitol. They wanted no part of attacking the Capital. I saw an interview with a husband and wife who were at the Capital. They couldn't believe what they watching. They got the hell out of there. Most of those Trump voters were there for a normal protest, not a violent protest. Many Trump voters would not accept a dictatorship in America.

mopinko

(73,723 posts)
30. their stupid little plot assumed the left would just lay down.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 10:38 AM
Dec 2022

um, no. antifa is real, lefties own guns. and we’re a lot smarter and control more of the tech spaces.
the white hats alone would have shut it all down in a couple days.

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