What the actual fuck?

[PCIntern]

Multiple power stations were attacked in Tacoma and the networks are stating that they don’t know if these were coordinated attacks.

Hey…when the second plane rammed into the second WTC tower, there was no proof that that was a coordinated attack either at the time. Just a random series of occurrences. Right?

I’m gonna go out on a big limb here and say that these power grid attacks are run-through/rehearsals for the big one.

[ProfessorGAC]

1. Thought The Exact Same

Including the reference to 9/11.
Seems to big a coincidence to think it random.

[WiVoter]

34. Me Too

[Walleye]

2. There should be very harsh penalties for this kind of stuff. I'd call it attempted murder

[Butterflylady]

52. Yep, especially for people on oxygen

[Lucinda]

57. +1

[Haggard Celine]

3. I was going to say that I wonder if it was

the Russians or if it was MAGAs, but I guess it's the same difference.

[localroger]

19. The Russians would not be attacking Tacoma.

[wnylib]

43. If these attacks are trials for a bigger one,

Russians could be involved. I do not think that Russians were in Tacoma doing this damage, but it seems possible that, considering the ties between Russia and MAGAs, these kinds of attacks could be Russian inspired.

At some point, larger coordinated attacks might occur as retaliation for our aid to Ukraine. But, precisely because Russia is such a menace, we need to keep supporting Ukraine to stop Russia from menacing the world.

Or, it could just be RW extremists doing their usual anti American terrorism.

[Hortensis]

56. Trials, as you you. Our intelligence services have been identifying trial

attacks and explorations, infiltrations, disruption, etc of our systems for looong before Ukraine, but accelerating and expanding in various ways in this century. And now the surge in dissident terrorism following social media/stochastric radicalization, supposed "lone wolf" terrorist acts, etc.

[NullTuples]

84. One would think it a good idea to disrupt or prevent such info gathering "trials"...

Maybe, I dunno...announce greatly increased penalties & that the areas are going to be under surveillance, and then follow through on that?

I'm frustrated because the news always seems to be various levels of law enforcement saying, "oh, yes - we were following their plans..." - after the fact. But I've yet to see any concerted effort to actually put a stop to them before bad things happen.

[Hortensis]

86. Well, I remember an FBI expert once explaining that so MANY

people match the profile of serial killers that only an actual killing was the difference that made one stand out from a million others with the same profile who never acted.

I imagine it's the much the same for finding those who become terrorists among the millions of "armchair terrorists" who demand terroristic violence with insanely righteous zealotry and whose yammerings are all irrationally angry and hateful. These days especially.

[NBachers]

93. Three shifts a day of one man guarding a substation, multiplied by every substation. Does this get

factored into everyone's electric bill? And, are there enough applicants to fill all these positions? Terrorists can take their pot shots and be on the way out by the time any damage even registers.

Or, I guess, a camera system could be set up to feed into a regional control center. But the shooting can come from outside camera range.

I'm not trying to argue with you; I'm just having trouble wrapping my brain around how to secure all these substations and prevent the terrorists from sabotaging them.

I agree, harsh local and federal penalties are in order. A small number of people can create a lot of damage. Catching and convicting them would go a long way toward stopping them.

[NullTuples]

98. I guess I was thinking more of putting adequate resources into finding who they are via

cameras, surveillance of online forums, and so on.

They seem to have the resources to infiltrate Black Lives Matter and Occupy, but not domestic terrorists...

Or, you know...it's because there are too many law enforcement who are already members. Sorta like when the FBI didn't release certain domestic terrorist lists because they were concerned local law enforcement were their friends.

I feel like that last angle is one that already allows domestic terrorism to flourish.

[Mr.Bill]

103. The FBI is pretty good at infiltrating these types of groups.

I think that's the best way of neutralizing them.

[NullTuples]

108. They're good at infiltrating the groups they *choose* to infiltrate & that may be the problem...

[Haggard Celine]

63. Thanks. You said it better than I could have.

[Kennah]

88. I agree. It's MAGAts.

[dutch777]

4. Yeah, there is something going on. They ain't just stealing copper.

I expect there is a Fed taskforce brewing on this.

[Joinfortmill]

5. Yup

[Tetrachloride]

6. House to house survey ? why not

[markie]

48. stay safe

[Artcatt]

7. Power out in Issaquah

But the winds are kicking up too. Might the Tacoma attacks have affected us here?

[niyad]

22. Welcome to our DU family.

[Pobeka]

27. No, different power source for King County.

[secondwind]

40. Welcome to DU!!

[calimary]

61. Welcome to DU, Artcatt!

This may just be the BEST place on the internet for great thinking and analysis. Best I’ve found, anyway!

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

8. MAGAt fascists. nt

[wnylib]

44. Yup.

[magicarpet]

9. We are Fascists,...

We are ruthless,...

We are constantly here on the sidelines,...

We can launch an attack anytime/anywhere we desire,...

Be advised to live in constant fear of our existence. We could strike at any moment and fuck things up.

Nazis being Nazis.

[Cyrano]

10. This is an act of terrorism

Those responsible should be hunted down and charged with committing a terrorist attack.

[hadEnuf]

51. EXACTLY

It is terrorism, terrorism, terrorism.

The public and press need to get their heads out of their asses.

[onetexan]

65. Spot on!! & punished w heavy sentences

Its the only way stop the RW extremists.

[Ford_Prefect]

11. It was a police report on the events which stated that they are examining evidence that they could

have been coordinated. Press won't say it unless the police assert it to be so.

WA officials are very aware of militant groups. Especially since the Bundy led Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation.

[PCIntern]

13. Yeah....

They’re “examining evidence”. Give me a break….

They would have to prove it was otherwise. If the Left were doing these things, it’d already be broadcast fact that it was an international left wing Commie plot headed by Soros.

[Orrex]

12. But the sheriff prayed with a suspect in an earlier act of terrorism

And, after praying with her, he divinely concluded that she's innocent.

Reichwing extremist pseudo-Xian domestic terrorists are a far greater threat to the nation than any foreign entity, yet somehow the media and government fail to call this out.

[whathehell]

59. What makes you say that?

Attacking the power grid?..Not sure how that would benefit media or the government.

[Orrex]

64. Are they calling out Xian terrorists?

Or are the media even calling them "Rightwing domestic terrorists?"

If the answer to either question is "no," then the media is covering for them.

[whathehell]

67. They MAY be " covering" for them, which is gross,

but even that is not the same as being " in on it", i.e.,co-actors.

[Orrex]

80. All right. Not "in on it" then, just aiding & abetting.

[EX500rider]

77. Until they figure out who did it, calling them anything would be premature. nt

[Orrex]

79. Fair point. It follows, then, that they'll call them out after they're identified

Or maybe it'll be another case of "lone wolves acting alone" with "a history of mental illness."

Anything at all to turn the focus away from Reichwing Xian terrorists.

[NJCher]

28. seriously!

And, after praying with her, he divinely concluded that she's innocent.


He needs to resign. Mixing up church and state--no.

[SoCalDavidS]

53. Someday Soon The Supremes Are Going To Dispose Of That Whole Separation Thing nt

[MontanaMama]

83. I absolutely believe this.

Maddening.

[ShazzieB]

91. That was in a completely different part of the country.

NC, iirc. Not germane to how authorities in the Pacific NW would respond to such things.

[Traildogbob]

14. The "electric" chair

For first time offense would work for me. Maybe immediately following a little water boarding to give up the leaders. 💦⚡️⚡️😵‍💫🌚🔥

[Wednesdays]

15. "...these power grid attacks are run-through/rehearsals for the big one."

Maybe a nationwide outage? A New Year's Eve surprise?

[Turbineguy]

17. It would be easy to wire the fences......

[panader0]

45. The saboteurs are shooting transformers. They don't have to get near the fences.

[wnylib]

46. Sounds good to me.

[randr]

18. There should already be surveillance cameras at all points

Is the DHS still sleeping?

[tblue37]

21. +1. nt

[dalton99a]

20. It is terrorism.

[Hekate]

24. Got it in one

[spanone]

23. Domestic terrorism.

Plain & Simple.

[area51]

33. +1 n/t

[peggysue2]

25. I agree!

This is not coincidental. The attack on the country and body politic is not over. We've won some battles but the war continues.

[zanana1]

26. What do they have against Tacoma?

[Marthe48]

29. Seems like areas that aren't densely urbanized are targets

I think the attacks are not only practice, but also creation of disruption and chaos. In this weather, it is terrorism and attempted murder. If anyone dies, Murder in the first degree.

[Pobeka]

32. The population density in Tacoma rivals Seattle in many parts of Tacoma.

I have to read the news for specific locations but one of the power stations was no where near Tacoma. Maybe they should've said "greater Tacoma area?"

[Marthe48]

39. Nearest city general readers might have heard of?

If news happens in my town, the news says near Columbus, Ohio. Which is 120 miles away. I don't know where the substations are located in Washington. I know of one or two electrical (probably) substations, and they are outside of town, and no near dwellings or businesses, probably for safety. And this wanton desctruction was probably not on the radar when the things were built. Electric companies probably thought no one would be crazy enough to destroy the power grid.

[Pobeka]

41. Yep, that's definitely it. Only relationship to Tacoma is that Tacoma Power runs those substations

This is out in east Pierce County, and I just saw mention of Spanaway too (which might be the 4th one?). These areas still have idiots driving around with trump flags on trucks and f*ck Biden, f*ck your feelings flags. There is definitely proud boys etc clubs out there too. Spanaway is in the heart of Ft. Lewis/McChord joint military base.

Lots of opportunity for deranged people to get together and "get back" at what they believe is a world targeting them for being white guys who are unable to get a good job.

[Hortensis]

69. Likely those who did it live somewhere around there -- if these turn out to

be "stochastric terrorism," where encouragement of broad populations to political violence results in someone or ones actually acting.

We've been experiencing a surge in that kind of DVE for some while -- a driver plowing through a crowd come to watch a parade? A lot of it was called "lone wolf" or "actor" terrorism for a while until research revealed that almost all lone actors are influenced by/connected with DVE groups and networks, such as through social media, even if direct communication has never occurred.

"The (Seattle FBI) bureau in a November 22 bulletin warned of reports of threats to electricity infrastructure by people espousing racially or ethnically motivated extremist ideology “to create civil disorder and inspire further violence,” according to the alert sent to private industry."

[Captain Zero]

76. My guess is the perps have HOME GENERATORS

Might want to use that to narrow down the suspect list.

[NullTuples]

85. Out in some such areas, it seems like nearly everyone has home generators.

[Kennah]

90. It's Blue

[Pobeka]

30. Even two attacks on the same night is beyond coincidence IMHO.

They are now saying there were FOUR attacks.

This was a coordinated scheme. I hope they find the *ssholes* and get them on terrorism charges. Really not hard to see this as terrorism.

[CaptainTruth]

31. Prediction: The next "Jan 6" style attack will include taking out substations.

[uponit7771]

36. +1,

[wnylib]

49. A terrorist warning of what the MAGAs will do

when their orange god and his agents get indicted?

Might be.

[Peregrine Took]

35. Any thing to do wit this drag show coming up?

I don't see a "year" but I assume it 2022.

acoma, WA Drag Show Events - Eventbrite
https://www.eventbrite.com › wa--tacoma › drag-show
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[Pobeka]

37. Pierce Co. Sherriff says attacks were in Puyallup and Graham.

Since no one has heard of Puyallup or Graham nationally, the news feed just says "Tacoma area".

[elleng]

38. OH CRAP!

Otherwise, good morning, PCIntern.

[PCIntern]

42. And good morning to you!!!

[Warpy]

47. I'm going to go out on a bigger one

and suggest the FBI grab Ammon Bundy and squeeze him until he pops. If his bunch isn't behind this, they know who is.

[Hortensis]

70. Probably sorta spot on. The FBI's become serious about DVE

attacks on power stations, not just foreign, and my guess is they've been monitoring social media for mentions and have names of a lot of people to squeeze. Or will have.

From what I've read, there are so many, many blowhard hot-air discussions of this type that they take immediate note only of ones they have reason to take seriously. Sometimes clues become apparent after. Like..,Tacoma.

[dingosatemyusername]

112. excuse my ignorance, but what is DVE?

[Celerity]

115. domestic violent extremism

[Prairie_Seagull]

116. Deleated. Thank you.

[Celerity]

114. domestic violent extremism

[H2O Man]

50. Recommended.

I think one can compare this to what took place in the late 1960s throughearly '70s. Groups morphed, from hippies to YIPPIES! to the Weathermen to the Weather Underground to the much lesser-known Zippies. In part, this was due to the social-political changes in environment, and a huge factor in that was the infiltration, disruption, and prosecution of "activists."

The pressures -- both real and imagined -- break groups into smaller sub-groups. And in these, less talented "leaders" arise. The combination of paranoia and more violence-prone idiots as sub-group leaders is never a good thing. Thus, older forum members are likely to have memories of the very crude Zippies' "underground" newsletters outlining attacks on power lines.

The FBI and numerous law enforcement agencies have infiltrated, disrupted, and -- as the January 6 insurrectionists have found -- prosecuted the larger mage-militia groups. In the past two years, they have split and divided into smaller cellws, with -- if it is possible -- stupider "leadership." And what ideas do stupid, violent people have for winning friends and influencing others? You can't make this shit up.

The idea for a Tet-like offensive is definitely possible. Hopefully, they will have the same results as those in the March 6, 1970 Greenwich Village townhouse.

[PCIntern]

71. Great post....

I truly admire your ability to compare and contrast historically.

[H2O Man]

78. Thank you!

I suppose one advantage of being old is that I've seen this play out before. It takes a special type of stupid to think that attacking the power grid is in any way a good idea. Like, who is going to think that's a cool idea ...... now that my power is out, I understand the concepts these people are trying to communicate, and want to join them? Right? Am I missing something?

You've got me thinking about the idea of a larger scale attack. Perhaps the internet makes that more possible to organize. That is exactly the type of domestic security threat that I think the FBI is keeping an eye out for. I trust that they are a lot smarter than the dip-shits doing these things. But it can be more difficult to keep an eye on small cells that meet in isolation. But these aren't the sharpest people, and they will not be able to keep their mouths shut.

[Kid Berwyn]

54. Why We Don't Know Much About Right-Wing Terrorists

Conservatives Fired The Guy Studying Them in 2009



Why Don’t We Know Much About Right-Wing Terrorists?

Conservatives Fired The Guy Studying Them

JAMESON PARKER
AddictingInfo, JUNE 18, 2015 4:41 PM

After a mass shooting at a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, left nine people dead and a right-wing white supremacist arrested, the country once again faces the uneasy question of just how many so-called “home-grown” terrorists are out there – heavily armed, ideologically driven, and violent.

It’s a good question, but it may be tough to answer because for reasons that are astoundingly dimwitted, the Department of Homeland Security pushed out the guy who was in charge of watching them, and dismantled his team all the way back in 2009.

The beleaguered hero of this story is Daryl Johnson, a top government counterterrorism analyst working at Homeland Security who spent six years with the agency amassing a wealth of data on far-right extremist groups that posed various degrees of threat to citizens in the United States. In 2009, in the months after President Obama assumed office, he watched as these groups veered even further right, and began to fear that America’s first African-American president could be the catalyst of a major uptick in hate crimes and anti-government attacks.

In a landmark report released just months into Obama’s term, and now looks downright clairvoyant, Johnson made the case that radical Islam is only a small piece of the terrorism pie:

“Do not overlook other types of terrorist groups,” the report warned, noting that five purely domestic groups had considered using weapons of mass destruction in that period. Similar warnings have been issued by the two principal non-government groups that track domestic terrorism: the New York-based Anti-Defamation League and the Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center.

An annual tally by the latter group of what it calls “Terror From the Right” listed 13 major incidents and arrests last year, nearly double the annual number in previous years; the group also reported the number of hate groups had topped 1,000 in 2010, for the first time in at least two decades.

In response to that report, Johnson was destroyed. It wasn’t his integrity or claims that got him in trouble, his facts were solid. Instead, it was the inconvenient truth that much of the threat comes from right-wing conservatives, and even more awkwardly, radical right-wing conservatives who say and think a lot of the same things mainstream right-wing conservatives say and think.

CONTINUED w/links...

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/18/why-dont-we-know-much-about-right-wing-terrorists-conservatives-fired-the-guy-studying-them/

That was from 2015. Going by the news, as well as Director Wray’s continued and unheeded warnings, the problems continue.

Internet Archive Waybac, if link doesn’t work:

http://web.archive.org/web/20150910045015/http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/18/why-dont-we-know-much-about-right-wing-terrorists-conservatives-fired-the-guy-studying-them/

[mathematic]

55. You should contact the FBI to give them the info you have that this wasn't one person nt

[NullTuples]

97. FBI: "Uh-huh....we'll get riiiight on that.

[PCIntern]

102. Yeah....as soon as we finish

not looking for the Mafia and/or RW terrorists.

Oh wait….

[onecaliberal]

58. Please don't worry, investigations take time.

[Scrivener7]

95. Yep.

[MagickMuffin]

60. Time to call in the National Guard since this is a National issue

Terrorism on public utilities needs to be meet with intense force. No more unprotected electric grids, and while we’re at it also the water supply system.

[jaxexpat]

62. We've been training entirely too many unstable personalities in the arts of war.

Then at the ends of their terms of enlistment the military has been washing its hands of them. They then foist them onto the unwitting public without shipping instructions to handle with care or health warning that they're spoiled goods. I think the military should take full responsibility for the hazardous waste they generate.

With the, no questions asked, budget they are annually gifted they should be able to keep their re-enlistment rejects on ice in perpetuity. Don't even bother for a minute to wonder if this sort of thing is actually the responsibility of ex-military folks. Why else would it be taboo to actually police them and their militia clubs out of existence? There are too many naive people who think they'll calm down after they get adjusted to the real world. That maybe they've got a point and we need to just let them be. These 21st century American Pollyanna nitwits have held the floor too long on this issue. It'll take acceptance of politicians with charisma, intelligence and actual information to succeed against the current and repair a problem most don't want to admit even exists. Is our political system able to allow such candidates without pre-compromising them and forego the dues typically paid in sacrificed integrity just to get on the ballot?

This is not simply a PTSD problem in the traditional sense we've been molded into ignoring and accepting. This is the result of a military machine which we've intentionally and blindly engendered. It's an entity of overbearing size and scope with a boot print on our socio-economic reality like no other ever seen in history.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

117. RWNJ love the free training provided by military and police.

[Hortensis]

66. No, they made it clear they're not yet confirmed by investigation to be coordinated.

It sounds a bit silly in this situation, but what's not to understand about the need for journalists to make clear what the current level of information is, including its limitations to avoid people running away with unwarranted assumptions?

It looks as if this might be more of an example of stochastric terrorism -- where encouragement of broad populations to violence results in someone or ones actually acting.

[Arazi]

68. Taking out power grids has been a militia/rightwing extremism goal for a long time

The idea is that it will so thoroughly disrupt Americans faith in govt that they’ll finally overthrow the evil overlords or some such nonsense..

Iow, it’s domestic terrorism and it’s going to get a lot worse.

https://apnews.com/article/business-united-states-law-enforcement-agencies-9e3d1d4d4cd429b69a787235caa7e4b8

WASHINGTON (AP) — Extremist groups in the United States appear to increasingly view attacking the power grid as a means of disrupting the country, according to a government report aimed at law enforcement agencies and utility operators.

Domestic extremists “have developed credible, specific plans to attack electricity infrastructure since at least 2020,” according to the report from the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis. The document, dated Monday, was obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press.

The report warns that extremists “adhering to a range of ideologies will likely continue to plot and encourage physical attacks against electrical infrastructure,” which includes more than 6,400 power plants and 450,000 miles of high-voltage transmission lines that span the country.

Experts on the U.S. power grid have pointed out that it would be difficult to knock out power to the nation given the size and decentralized nature of the grid. The DHS report also notes that attackers, without inside help at least, would be unlikely to produce widespread, multistate outages, though they could still do damage and cause injuries.

[Initech]

72. It's terrorism and it needs to stop now.

Thanks GOP, we now a full blown equivalent of Al Qaeda operating on American soil. Happy?

[PCIntern]

73. They're happy if it happens in blue states

Like COVID…

[Takket]

74. ABC at least has this on their front page...

off to the side, without a picture, but still, on the front page. This is absolutely terrorism. The article ABC has on it repeatedly refers to it as "vandalism". Um. no. Destroying infrastructure with weapons is not "vandalism". Vandalism is when someone sprays graffiti on your garage or smashes the window of you car.

How can the media not call this a terrorist act???????? People will take this as seriously as the media tells them to. They don't need to cause a panic, but be honest in your reporting is all.

[PCIntern]

75. Right you are....

I wonder if ABC, CNN, NBC, and CBS all had their vans dynamited while covering a TFG rally, would that be van-dalism?

[EX500rider]

94. "How can the media not call this a terrorist act???????? "

Depends on motive, if it's some teenagers copycatting the earlier attack for their idea of fun then it is vandalism, if it is done for political ends then it is terrorism:
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

[yardwork]

81. Two power stations in NC were shot up a few weeks ago.

[wendyb-NC]

82. Yes

So far no word on finding any suspects, that I've heard of, or been able to find in my online search. The topic just sort went away in the news.

[yardwork]

96. Yes, it did. Nothing new in the local news.

[proud patriot]

87. Everyone needs to listen to Rachel Maddow's ULTRA

it is So important that we all have it's historical
context for the time we find ourselves in Right Now!

[Ligyron]

92. Thanks for reminding me.

I got interrupted and need to finish that.

[Kennah]

89. This appears to have been going on since at least 2013 (Metcalf)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

99. scary stuff

[Evolve Dammit]

100. Why aren't these sites being hardened, and in the meantime, some security personnel??

[YoshidaYui]

101. I bet DOJ is aware of it

Maybe they’re sending out people to check on it.

[orangecrush]

104. They'll get caught

And rat the rest out.

[Deuxcents]

105. Our public water stations should be prepared for a like attack.

[czarjak]

106. Groomed Goons Going Rouge

[Waterguy]

107. what is a fear campaign

INstead of fear

why not do something about the problem
like what went down in Texas a few years ago
due to deregulation in certain places in the US

who controls all this infrastructure in the first place

I must be naive to think that there's supposed to be a reason
why we have representatives in congress who effectively

and in our names provide complete oversight
regarding how our infrastructure is maintained.

we should hope any congress we vote for cares more about
the infrastructure than whatever was in Hunter Bidens laptop ---
ways to destroy the IRS so they can't go after white crime criminals

If you are a trades person working in the utilities sector you know
by now that stuff doesn't get fixed until there's a natural disaster

some kind of proxy insurance, like a big fix.

Just what about subsidy for fossil fuel companies, where do they
spend their money, their profits, and to what end

PG&E is big in the West Coast states, they knew about the lack of maintenance
and all along reaped major benefits

The idea regarding decentralization of the power grid isn't new
and yet it's never been fully discussed in congress to the point

where everyday citizens understand its concept.

So how come?

[Habitation]

109. Accelerationist Boogaloos or The Base (founded in Russia)

https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/mappingmilitants/profiles/the-base

https://www.hstoday.us/featured/accelerationist-guide-calls-for-metcalf-style-attacks-on-sitting-duck-electricity-infrastructure/

https://www.congress.gov/event/116th-congress/house-event/LC65904/text?s=1&r=1

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/white-supremacists-embrace-accelerationism

[betsuni]

110. But ... Tacoma?

I'm from a small town next to Tacoma and think, why Tacoma? There's nothing there.

[Meowmee]

111. I think I agree

There have been too many of them and all fairly close together. It is frightening.