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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 11:44 AM Dec 2022

Putin does not understand Freedom. That's why he is losing and may be looking for a way out.

The people of Ukraine got a taste of Freedom. They like it. The people of Ukraine are not fighting for a religion, tribe, political party, they are fighting for Freedom. Freedom for their children, they are united. People who are fighting for Freedom will never, ever, give up. Putin doesn't understand this.

I have become a fan of the people of Ukraine. They fight for Freedom like us.

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Putin does not understand Freedom. That's why he is losing and may be looking for a way out. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Dec 2022 OP
Well said!!! secondwind Dec 2022 #1
He wants to use the "negotiation" talk to leverage the EU to push Ukraine to take a bad deal. dutch777 Dec 2022 #2
Pretty simple negotiation, really. GTFO of Ukraine and we'll talk... Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #3
.. and War Crimes trials. And several.. thomski64 Dec 2022 #4
No. He wants the EU to push for concessions from the Ukraine and to save face. Autumn Dec 2022 #5
Of course he does. He's getting shown up on the international stage... Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #6
Putin also overestimated the effectiveness of his military LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #7

dutch777

(5,068 posts)
2. He wants to use the "negotiation" talk to leverage the EU to push Ukraine to take a bad deal.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 11:56 AM
Dec 2022

The EU is still dependent on RU oil/gas and many politicians really don't want to talk about energy cutbacks in the middle of winter. I think Ukraine will never take a bad deal given all the over the top things the Russians have done but that doesn't stop Putin from trying. He has few options and the battlefield situation continues to get worse for the Ru army. It will take time but assuming Ukraine continues getting well supplied and the Ru army continues to founder badly, Ukraine taking back all lands including Crimea is a real possibility. One that Putin would likely not survive politically.

thomski64

(936 posts)
4. .. and War Crimes trials. And several..
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 12:08 PM
Dec 2022

..trillions of dollars from the orcs
to rebuild. And return the stolen
children, free oil and gas for a hundred
years and Putins head on a pike
...then we talk..

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
5. No. He wants the EU to push for concessions from the Ukraine and to save face.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 12:10 PM
Dec 2022

He can fuck off and die.

Wounded Bear

(64,324 posts)
6. Of course he does. He's getting shown up on the international stage...
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 12:37 PM
Dec 2022

Here's hoping the Europeans can hold out.

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