Trump isn't insane

[Dirty Socialist]

A personality disorder is not a form of mental illness. Trump is SOL on the insanity plea.

[Ocelot II]

1. He would never consider an insanity defense *because of* his personality disorder.

He's a narcissist. He'd find even the suggestion that he was mentally ill unbearably humiliating.

[Walleye]

2. He knew what he was doing and he knew it was wrong when he was doing it. Legally sane

[Ocelot II]

3. Bingo. The M'Naghten Rule.

A person has to be completely raving, frothing mad for the defense to be successful - it rarely works.

[Phoenix61]

4. A personality disorder is absolutely a form of mental illness.

That being said it doesn’t absolve him of the consequences of his actions.

[Ocelot II]

6. It is, but it's rarely the sort that would support an insanity defense.

You have to be so psychotic that you either don't know what you were doing, or that you don't understand that it was wrong or illegal - You kill someone believing they are a monster about to eat you; or you know it's a person but you think Jesus told you to kill them. A person like TFG with a narcissistic personality disorder, knows what he's doing and that it's illegal but he does it anyhow.

[RockRaven]

5. TFG recognizes that his actions are considered wrong by others -- he just doesn't care.

And he understands the consequences of his actions perfectly fine -- he also just doesn't care.

So no, he won't meet the standard for an insanity defense.

[mopinko]

7. insanity defense has not kept up w science.

and it never was a ‘get out of jail free’ card. it gets you locked in an asylum, indefinitely.

he has advanced dementia and has since before he ran. man. woman, person, camera, tv are NEVER the 5 words on that test. they are ALWAYS 5 completely unrelated words.
all they have to do is show his records from reed, including the real results of that exam.
and dr ronnie belongs in the brig. he isnt just some doc. he knows very well he had a duty to declare him unfit. that’s why they dropped him into congress. testor put the cabash on his sec v.a. reward.
tfg loved him cuz he had blackmail material on him. obama shoulda crushed that asshole when he could.

i predict the kids get him declared incompetent when the realize they’ll be charged, too.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

8. TFG will never allow it to be invoked on his behalf.

Link to tweet

[Ocelot II]

9. Everybody else is crazy, not him. He'd never plead insanity.

Anders Breivik, the right-wing loon who shot up the summer camp in Norway, could have pled insanity - and he's probably at least as mad as TFG; he was initially diagnosed as schizophrenic but the diagnosis was re-evaluated as narcissistic personality disorder - but he wouldn't let his lawyer make that plea; he insisted he was completely sane and nothing was wrong with him. 'Breivik expressed hope at being declared sane in a letter sent to several Norwegian newspapers shortly before his trial, in which he wrote about the prospect of being sent to a psychiatric ward: "I must admit this is the worst thing that could have happened to me as it is the ultimate humiliation. To send a political activist to a mental hospital is more sadistic and evil than to kill him! It is a fate worse than death."' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik#Psychiatric_evaluation

TFG is a bit less delusional but hardly less narcissistic (and he continues to decompensate), but I very much doubt that he'd go for an insanity defense (which rarely succeeds anyhow). Being declared insane would be just too humiliating for him to bear, as it was for Breivik.

[barbtries]

10. i think he has multiple personality disorders.

and he would never be considered criminally insane over them. fuck if he can be president he can stand trial and go live in a cell for the rest of his life.

[Genki Hikari]

13. I agree with you about the multiple disorders

He's like a compendium of Cluster-B disorders. Just look at how often he checks off multiple signs of each disorder:

Antisocial personality disorder

√ Disregard for others' needs or feelings
√ Persistent lying, stealing, using aliases, conning others
√ Recurring problems with the law
√ Repeated violation of the rights of others
√ Aggressive, often violent behavior
√ Disregard for the safety of self or others
√ Impulsive behavior
√ Consistently irresponsible
√ Lack of remorse for behavior

Borderline personality disorder

√ Impulsive and risky behavior, such as having unsafe sex, gambling or binge eating
√ Unstable or fragile self-image
√ Unstable and intense relationships
√ Up and down moods, often as a reaction to interpersonal stress
x Suicidal behavior or threats of self-injury
? Intense fear of being alone or abandoned
? Ongoing feelings of emptiness
√ Frequent, intense displays of anger
√ Stress-related paranoia that comes and goes

Histrionic personality disorder

√ Constantly seeking attention
√ Excessively emotional, dramatic or sexually provocative to gain attention
√ Speaks dramatically with strong opinions, but few facts or details to back them up
√ Easily influenced by others
√ Shallow, rapidly changing emotions
√ Excessive concern with physical appearance
√ Thinks relationships with others are closer than they really are

Narcissistic personality disorder

√ Belief that you're special and more important than others
√ Fantasies about power, success and attractiveness
√ Failure to recognize others' needs and feelings
√ Exaggeration of achievements or talents
√ Expectation of constant praise and admiration
√ Arrogance
√ Unreasonable expectations of favors and advantages, often taking advantage of others
√ Envy of others or belief that others envy you

He checks off the fewest with borderline, but only because I don't think he's capable of the kind of introspection to recognize that he might worry about being abandoned or feeling empty inside. He also doesn't strike me as the suicidal type. Murder-suicide, maybe, because he won't go without taking someone with him, for pure meanness.

Other than that, though--what a hot mess

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

[barbtries]

14. thank you

those were literally the 4 i had him pegged for. good information here.

[Silent3]

11. Sanity isn't a yes/no, true/false thing

It's on a continuum. Trump isn't playing with a full deck of cards, that's for sure.

Although I'm sure he knows he's lying a lot of the time (like claiming he won the last election), he's got a very warped view of reality and probably at least half-believes half of his bullshit.

I'm pretty sure he's been in a mental decline for years now. He's never been that smart, he's always been ignorant, but he was surely much sharper in the past than he his now.

Is he crazy enough for an insanity defense to apply to 1/6, or a lot of other things? Not in my opinion.

[marmar]

12. He's textbook DSM-5 in lots of ways.