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dawg

(10,590 posts)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:44 AM Nov 2012

A serious and sympathetic post for any lurking conservatives.

Your pollsters and your pundits lied to you.

They told you all the mainstream polls were "skewed".

They told you it was going to be a Romney landslide.

They said their internal polls showed that Romney was ahead, and that Pennsylvania was in play.

They lied.

They did it because they wanted to manipulate you and make sure that you were excited enough to go out and vote. Maybe you understand why they lied, but it should be clear to you by now, that they did indeed lie to you.

They lie to you about other things as well. They definitely lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They are lying to you about climate change. And they constantly lie to you about the income distribution of the tax cuts they propose.

The biggest lies they tell, though, are about us - the liberals. The truth is this:

We believe in hard work, and that it would be best if every able-bodied working age person had a job.

We believe in families; strong families make a strong America.

We believe in the freedom of religion. We would never support a candidate who was openly hostile to Christianity (or Judaism, or Islam, etc.).

We believe in success. Most of us do not favor punitive tax rates for the rich; we just think that middle class and working class families should get extra breaks on their taxes that the rich do not need.

We believe in free enterprise capitalism (well, most of us). Capitalism works through competition, and competition fails when big businesses are allowed to run roughshod over smaller businesses and workers. That's why we favor regulated capitalism instead of a Wild West free-for-all.

Most of all, we believe in America. We love this country and we strive to make it better. We may not always be right about everything, but we are motivated by our love of the country and its people - ALL of its people.

We are your friends and your neighbors. We have jobs, kids, mortgages, bills, honey-do lists, and headaches just the same as you. We aren't the monsters Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck told you we were.

Your pollsters and your pundits lied to you.

I'm telling you the truth.

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A serious and sympathetic post for any lurking conservatives. (Original Post) dawg Nov 2012 OP
Seriously on target. Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #1
Agreed LostinRed Nov 2012 #140
dawg. this is an excellent post. i am a voice along with yours.... thank you. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #2
Aww, thanks! dawg Nov 2012 #13
I concur with Jackpine and Sea. Get it out there. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #29
That's very kind of you. You are a better person than I am. Glorfindel Nov 2012 #3
Maybe some numbers might help. ErikJ Nov 2012 #102
Very well said.. txdemsftw Nov 2012 #4
Perfectn/t Horse with no Name Nov 2012 #5
Well put. A solid manifesto for a new liberalism. Watch out for the 'its' coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #6
Thanks. dawg Nov 2012 #12
Excellent dawg, We are Hardworking Americans who want to step ahead instead of lag behind.... Tikki Nov 2012 #7
If the Liberal media lies then how could it get it right and the Conservative media get it so wrong? ieoeja Nov 2012 #8
He's your President, too. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2012 #9
Bravo. PowerToThePeople Nov 2012 #10
Nice ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #11
The George Allen campaign was the perfect example of your post. FSogol Nov 2012 #14
You know it was the same with McCain's supporters in Arizona Cha Nov 2012 #144
Beautifully said 1gobluedem Nov 2012 #15
One of the best, most grounded and honest posts I've read all day... EnviroBat Nov 2012 #16
I like this. Very good. slutticus Nov 2012 #17
reality heaven05 Nov 2012 #76
Perhaps The Best Post I've Seen on DU Dirty Socialist Nov 2012 #18
+1000. The original post should be forwarded to as many Repubs as possible. reformist2 Nov 2012 #56
It should be made into a graphic and Facebooked! savebigbird Nov 2012 #134
Great OP lillypaddle Nov 2012 #19
Another thing, conservatives. sarge43 Nov 2012 #20
I've been trying to find the words Mz Pip Nov 2012 #21
Of course. dawg Nov 2012 #22
I love it when someone sums up my thoughts in writing. Thanks. libdem4life Nov 2012 #23
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #39
amazing and succinct il_lilac Nov 2012 #24
The best post I've ever read on DU... zaj Nov 2012 #25
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #43
UMAD? stonecutter357 Nov 2012 #58
well said librechik Nov 2012 #26
This is a monumentally Mira Nov 2012 #27
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! Liberal In Red State Nov 2012 #28
Thank you barbtries Nov 2012 #30
Only one thing to add . . . If we are embolden now . . . It is to say this . . . We will no longer Liberal In Red State Nov 2012 #31
I like this! A lot! classof56 Nov 2012 #45
Hear, hear!! jhrobbins Nov 2012 #145
We believe life is a plus-sum game, NOT a zero-sum game. TahitiNut Nov 2012 #32
This puts into words exactly what I've been trying to quantify for myself today... agtcovert Nov 2012 #33
Rock On!! hibbing Nov 2012 #34
REC Coyotl Nov 2012 #35
Beautiful... StarryNite Nov 2012 #36
This was great. Sheepshank Nov 2012 #37
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #38
go away. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2012 #66
S/he did! catrose Nov 2012 #81
If you believe in families, then tell people to stop making babies kxm40 Nov 2012 #68
Amazing. You hit the nail on the head. n/t 2theleft Nov 2012 #40
I don't think they're lurking apples and oranges Nov 2012 #41
On target .. N_E_1 for Tennis Nov 2012 #42
Excellent! redstatebluegirl Nov 2012 #44
And another thing: turn off FOX and hate radio and give the vitriol, and yourself, a rest. FailureToCommunicate Nov 2012 #46
This is fantastic! NCGardenGirl Nov 2012 #47
Sharing far and wide garthranzz Nov 2012 #48
A most excellent post. Uncle Joe Nov 2012 #49
Very well said, dawg. We liberals are not hostile to religion, but we also respect non-religious catbyte Nov 2012 #50
Well said, dawg. redqueen Nov 2012 #51
Perfectly and honestly said. Thanks! patrice Nov 2012 #52
Well said drmeow Nov 2012 #53
Well said. blackspade Nov 2012 #54
Beautifully put! dorkzilla Nov 2012 #55
Very well written. Very much needed to be said. Worth repeating. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #57
K&R gateley Nov 2012 #59
Great post! defacto7 Nov 2012 #60
WHY cant this be SHAREDon FACEBOOK zander77 Nov 2012 #61
You have one post, zander. You can't post to social media until you have at least 5,000. Melinda Nov 2012 #63
I love this! Well said! nt flygal Nov 2012 #62
Very well put. Berlin Expat Nov 2012 #64
I have no sympathy Scootaloo Nov 2012 #65
Scoot Doc Holliday Nov 2012 #77
Possibly; I picked it up from an Ayreon song, though. Forget which Scootaloo Nov 2012 #84
Great OP, dawg! BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #67
At least one GOP bubble head got popped last night (his take) ffr Nov 2012 #69
We believe the writings of Ayn Rand have done great harm to our democratic system SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2012 #70
They say that not every Republican is a racist but.... chknltl Nov 2012 #71
Well said. efhmc Nov 2012 #153
Many thanks for your attempt to unite us. Conservatives can be so distrustful. ancianita Nov 2012 #72
i don't want to unite with them Doctor_J Nov 2012 #80
post this on FB bpj62 Nov 2012 #73
Guess what Hutzpa Nov 2012 #74
Beautifully written! Wind Dancer Nov 2012 #75
In fact, most of Rawmoney's talking points are lies. And Fox too. grahamhgreen Nov 2012 #78
Send it to HuffPo or Kos or ThinkProgress Doctor_J Nov 2012 #79
Well put! schrodinger_I Nov 2012 #82
Excellent post, Dawg! n/t BeHereNow Nov 2012 #83
Awesome post, Dawg! CanonRay Nov 2012 #85
I hope it's cool if I borrow parts of this to send to my right-wing friends groundloop Nov 2012 #86
Damn. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #87
Nice post, but if they need sympathy, they can look it up... BlueNoteSpecial Nov 2012 #88
well stated . outsideworld Nov 2012 #89
Good Stuff! Bigredhunk Nov 2012 #90
Brother Harry_Scrote Nov 2012 #91
Thom Hartmann is reading THIS post live. chknltl Nov 2012 #92
YES he did! Just heard it! GOOOOOOOO Dawg! BeHereNow Nov 2012 #95
Had just driven home and was in my driveway when Thom started reading this.... tpsbmam Nov 2012 #101
Well, good on ya, but I have no inclination to explain, define, or most importantly humble myself to WinkyDink Nov 2012 #93
It's the only way 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #111
Thom Hartmann read this post on the air just now ThomThom Nov 2012 #94
Thom Hartmann just read this on the air. Well done! helderheid Nov 2012 #96
brilliant, beautiful, and well timed. thanks. Hamlette Nov 2012 #97
Thom Hartman read your rant on the air! liberalmuse Nov 2012 #98
My most heartfelt sympathies to anyone who voted Romney/Ryan: Erose999 Nov 2012 #99
Dude? We WON the election. Get over it. 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #112
This needs to go viral. loudsue Nov 2012 #100
True-truth dat, for me too. nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #103
If intended for clear headed common sense individuals, there is no need of this, they are well aware AuntPatsy Nov 2012 #104
I thought it was Hope & Change? 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #113
If your talking to me no cynicism nor close mindedness , I am surrounded by many, I promise you AuntPatsy Nov 2012 #114
Yes bigotry dies hard, and it's death isn't pretty 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #117
Honestly, I try to reason, but after hearing so many derogatory racial remarks regardless of any AuntPatsy Nov 2012 #118
At least we have time on our side ... tick-tock ... 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #122
Bookmarked. Recommended. Kicked. tilsammans Nov 2012 #105
K&R n/t myrna minx Nov 2012 #106
My young daughter came under the influence of AnneD Nov 2012 #107
I'm totally stealing this Dawg, with your permission of course 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #108
Kick! AverageJoe Nov 2012 #109
Almost Perfect. mgardener Nov 2012 #110
It is an excellent viewpoint humbled_opinion Nov 2012 #115
Thanks for citing as "open-source liberalism." Jankyn Nov 2012 #116
I think you are mostly spot-on. alarimer Nov 2012 #119
Thom Hartmann read some of your OP on his show today! arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #120
Ruff, bark ruf ruff. Smickey Nov 2012 #121
Exactly! eallen Nov 2012 #123
Good job, Dawg. I know that my dimwitted RW relatives read DU SDjack Nov 2012 #124
I like what you said but it is of no avail. Republicans are willfully ignorant. Emphasis on the rhett o rick Nov 2012 #125
This is what I posted this morning on my own facebook page DreWId Nov 2012 #126
This is also an excellent post. You should post it as its own OP. nt CJCRANE Nov 2012 #154
keeper n/t James48 Nov 2012 #127
If I were as big a dick as you, I would send this to my Republic family and friensds, DCKit Nov 2012 #128
You speak for me in this post. crim son Nov 2012 #129
An absolutely perfect post. Care Acutely Nov 2012 #130
Tom Hartman Read This On Air Observation Post Nov 2012 #131
"it would be best if every able-bodied working age person had a" paying-enough "job" Amonester Nov 2012 #132
Superb post! JNelson6563 Nov 2012 #133
Dawg, that was one hellova post. DonRedwood Nov 2012 #135
Awesome post Dawg!! felix_numinous Nov 2012 #136
K AND R! Wednesdays Nov 2012 #137
Wish every republican could and would read this PatSeg Nov 2012 #138
ok well you get a little whiney maindawg Nov 2012 #139
very good! knr Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #141
! lovemydog Nov 2012 #142
Thank you, dawg! Cha Nov 2012 #143
Amazing post. ermasdaughter Nov 2012 #146
There is a reason there are so many rec's DiverDave Nov 2012 #147
K & R Chemisse Nov 2012 #148
Excellent post. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #149
Posted to BuzzFlash. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #150
Amen!!!!! skeewee08 Nov 2012 #151
Well said dawg! PotatoChip Nov 2012 #152
Thank you! looksbetterinblue Nov 2012 #155
No worries sunnystarr Nov 2012 #158
You're welcome. dawg Nov 2012 #161
Helloooo.... freepers, trolls, cave dwelllers? Turborama Nov 2012 #156
They are not LISTENING!!!!!!! mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2012 #157
In time, perhaps will_in_chicago Nov 2012 #159
As Long as the Republican Party Platform mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2012 #160
Love this jenlucu Nov 2012 #162
That's it in a nutshell LittleBlue Nov 2012 #163

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
1. Seriously on target.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:48 AM
Nov 2012

This may be one of those teachable moments.

May I suggest that you submit this as an op-ed or LTTE & get it as much online circulation as you can.

Glorfindel

(9,685 posts)
3. That's very kind of you. You are a better person than I am.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:49 AM
Nov 2012

I would like to think that some of the lurking conservatives might be convinced by your eloquence, but I doubt it. Nevertheless, you deserve great credit for your compassion and veracity, and I salute you.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
6. Well put. A solid manifesto for a new liberalism. Watch out for the 'its'
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:53 AM
Nov 2012

(no apostrophe needed when indicating possession

Tikki

(14,519 posts)
7. Excellent dawg, We are Hardworking Americans who want to step ahead instead of lag behind....
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:59 AM
Nov 2012

stuck in some oligarchy and we want everyone to have that chance, also.



Tikki

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
8. If the Liberal media lies then how could it get it right and the Conservative media get it so wrong?
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:03 AM
Nov 2012

Tried talking to someone about this last night, but he wasn't ready. He readily admitted to not understanding what happened. How could the supposedly Liberal media be correct and the Conservative media so completely, horribly wrong?

Sadly, I'm sure the Conservative media will come up with a rationalization which their faithful can believe. Probably something along the lines of, "too many Conservatives skipped voting knowing there was no way in the world the American public could possibly re-elect that man."


Tommy_Carcetti

(42,978 posts)
9. He's your President, too.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:06 AM
Nov 2012

And unlike your candidate, who proclaimed not to care about 47% of the country, I am confident that President Obama will work in the best interests of all Americans, both blue state and red.

FSogol

(45,259 posts)
14. The George Allen campaign was the perfect example of your post.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:44 AM
Nov 2012

When he conceded to Tim Kaine last night, his audience was completely stunned and shocked. They had no idea they were losing or even trailing in the race. It was really strange.

Cha

(294,438 posts)
144. You know it was the same with McCain's supporters in Arizona
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:42 AM
Nov 2012

when he lost. They looked Stunned..I couldn't figure out why they'd be so shocked. I'm understanding it now.

slutticus

(3,428 posts)
17. I like this. Very good.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:49 AM
Nov 2012

But i disagree about why they were lied to. I think it is also because Fox news (and indeed the other mainstream news networks) work for profit instead of a genuine desire to report news and facts. They were had because they generate money for the networks, and in fact the networks (and the GOP masters) don't give a rat's ass about most of these people.


sarge43

(28,926 posts)
20. Another thing, conservatives.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:54 AM
Nov 2012

We're in this together. Ask yourselves why you're being told we're your enemy. As the first Republican president said, "[a] house divided against itself shall not stand."

Mz Pip

(27,350 posts)
21. I've been trying to find the words
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:58 AM
Nov 2012

You did it for me. This is perfect in content and tone.

May I use some of it?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
23. I love it when someone sums up my thoughts in writing. Thanks.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:10 PM
Nov 2012

Also, sounds like someone...like myself...who has beloved family and friends who are conservative.

Response to libdem4life (Reply #23)

Response to zaj (Reply #25)

31. Only one thing to add . . . If we are embolden now . . . It is to say this . . . We will no longer
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:45 PM
Nov 2012

tolerate, excuse or let you get away with the disrespect you have shown OUR PRESIDENT AND HIS FAMILY for the past four years! You will be called out . . . Challenged . . . Confronted from this day FORWARD!!! Because WE ARE AMERICA!!!!

classof56

(5,376 posts)
45. I like this! A lot!
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:10 PM
Nov 2012

Will add it to my list, along w/OP, to share with my Texas relative who has sent me more ugly anti-President Obama rhetoric than I can count during the last four years. Actually I have in response given her numerous reality checks, but sadly they have fallen on deaf ears. I'll keep trying--and thanks for giving me more ammo.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
32. We believe life is a plus-sum game, NOT a zero-sum game.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:48 PM
Nov 2012

When you play it as "win-lose" ... you get "lose-lose." (Nobody "wins" a war. Of any kind.) The sooner you actually comprehend this, the better you'll know what "liberal" actually means.

agtcovert

(238 posts)
33. This puts into words exactly what I've been trying to quantify for myself today...
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:48 PM
Nov 2012

I've seen so many vitriolic posts on Facebook, heard so many snide comments about Americans being idiots and flushing the country down the toilet I marvel at the hatred seeping from those on the right.

There's a part of me that wants to absolutely gloat on Facebook given the number of arguments I've been in over the last 9-12 months. I haven't said a word though, and what you said here is why. I disagree with the positions/rationale/etc. of those on the right, but I don't hate them and I don't think their votes would've "flushed the country down the toilet."

Thanks for posting this.

hibbing

(10,066 posts)
34. Rock On!!
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:50 PM
Nov 2012

Hey,
Great post, the other party has tried to hijack so many things. Conservatives have been on the wrong side of history for decades. I am curious as to how the hell they are going to deal with the changing demographics of the country. I love America!!

Peace

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
37. This was great.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:04 PM
Nov 2012

can I ask if it's ok to repeat on FB Closed Debate Room? Giving credit, of course

Response to dawg (Original post)

kxm40

(46 posts)
68. If you believe in families, then tell people to stop making babies
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:44 PM
Nov 2012

Do you really know people like that? Sorry to offend, but sounds like something a racist would spout.
OOPS, Told Ya!

apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
41. I don't think they're lurking
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:05 PM
Nov 2012

I think they're home in bed, with the lights dimmed and the TV and internet off. If the election had gone the other way, I wouldn't be online at all today, much less a RW site.

FailureToCommunicate

(13,906 posts)
46. And another thing: turn off FOX and hate radio and give the vitriol, and yourself, a rest.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:12 PM
Nov 2012

Thanks, dawg, for a reasonable reaction.

catbyte

(33,979 posts)
50. Very well said, dawg. We liberals are not hostile to religion, but we also respect non-religious
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:17 PM
Nov 2012

people and atheists because religion has no place in politics. The minute you pass a law based on your religious beliefs, chances are you have just trampled on my beliefs--or non-beliefs.

This deserves to go viral. Thanks again!

And this will be the last time I post this sig line because WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mom to Taz, Nigel, and baby sister Sammy, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"Dogs Aren’t Luggage--HISS!”

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
55. Beautifully put!
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:21 PM
Nov 2012

Really really well said. I just posted it on my fb page, as it may make up for my obnoxious, drunken "in your face" posts I put up last night! Thanks, dawg!

zander77

(2 posts)
61. WHY cant this be SHAREDon FACEBOOK
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:28 PM
Nov 2012

None of democratic underground stuff can actually be SHARED TO FACEBOOK Or is it just me and my computer?? I believe its you and YOUR IT/programers=can NOT share to facebook.

Melinda

(5,465 posts)
63. You have one post, zander. You can't post to social media until you have at least 5,000.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:33 PM
Nov 2012


Welcome to DU... it's a great day here, there, and everywhere.



Berlin Expat

(943 posts)
64. Very well put.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:34 PM
Nov 2012

Last night, as it became increasingly obvious that President Obama would be re-elected, I was lurking over at FR, Lucianne, Breitbart, RedState, etc. As much as I was (admittedly) tempted to post something to the effect of MOAR TEARS!!! I found myself feeling some genuine sympathy for them; it occurred to me when I could see that quite a few of the posters on these various sites realized they'd been "lied to" as you said.

I suppose it's simply natural human empathy to feel for someone who realizes they've been the mark in a swindle. One thing is for sure; people like Dick Morris, Michael Barone, etc., have completely lost whatever credibility they may have had the Movement Conservatives.

And conservative lurkers, well, what can I say; it's the way the cookie crumbles. C'est la vie.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
65. I have no sympathy
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:36 PM
Nov 2012

Anyone intelligent enough to understand what you wrote, is someone intelligent enough to understand they just cast a ballot for a man who wants to destroy the structure of our nation so he can sell it off to a high bidder. Anyone who can't understand what you just said, did the same damn thing, so fuck them too.

I have no sympathy and i want no understanding. These cretins, these fucking traitorous scumbags can all line up to sniff my ass. I don't want to play nice with the people who have been working so very, very hard, and who came so very very close, to destroying this nation, relegating my friends and loved ones to second and third-class citizenship (if allowed even that) and who wanted to see my siblings die in a war with iran.

FUCK
THEM.

To all lurking conservatives? I hope your fucking face rots off.

ffr

(22,606 posts)
69. At least one GOP bubble head got popped last night (his take)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:46 PM
Nov 2012
The Difference

Jim Geraghty’s Morning Jolt said it best:

Those Pollsters Were Right; We’re a Much More Democratic County, at Least in Presidential Years

The exit polls indicate a 39 percent Democrat to 33 percent Republican split, only a percentage point behind 2008. I was incorrect in my skepticism that the electorate would be closer to D+3 or D+4. Nate Silver, take a bow. Public Policy Polling, your samples weren’t as wacky as I believed they were.

The Obama campaign has put together a fantastic get-out-the-vote machine. <snip>

Republicans need to confront the fact that because of demographics and a party infrastructure that has gotten very, very good at bringing out the vote in presidential years, Democrats are going to be very, very tough every four years. <snip>

Ari Fleischer points out the silver lining is that so far, Romney is winning independents. That’s not a silver lining, that’s worse news: Democrats don’t really need independents anymore. BattleGroundWatch.com

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
71. They say that not every Republican is a racist but....
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:49 PM
Nov 2012

...every racist is a Republican. I don't think every misogynist is a Republican but I have little doubt most are, same holds true with the religious extremists. Great company you keep there huh? Proud of that?

Truth be told your party has cornered the market on the intolerant and the haters. Your news services have pandered to the haters and to the fearful which is why they flocked to your party.

America is moving forward. We The People no longer wish to be ruled by the misogynists the racists the fear mongers and especially not the few ultra rich ultra greedy types who are destroying our democracy.

Your party now has a choice: move to the left and work with us as we see to the needs of We The People, to creating real economic prosperity for all of us and to see to the very environment we all must live in......

.....or you can move further to the right with the haters and the fearful, the racists the misogynists, the religious extremists and the fascists who hate our democracy so much they openly suppressed the votes of over a million of our fellow Americans.

You once parroted the saying: "You are either with us or you are with the terrorists." Well now, let me rephrase it: You are either with us or you are with the sickness.

ancianita

(35,474 posts)
72. Many thanks for your attempt to unite us. Conservatives can be so distrustful.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:58 PM
Nov 2012

Many of their hardcore will read this as either lecture, ploy, or 'reaching out.' They might rethink your plus-sum v. zero sum idea, however, and the wisdom of how 'we're all in this together' works so much better than 'everyone for himself'. We just have to keep reminding them that they'll survive and thrive if they just relax from outrage and move away from their toxic media and religionist judgments. I hope you send it everywhere.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
80. i don't want to unite with them
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:57 PM
Nov 2012

unless it means them coming to our way of thinking. We're far too "united" with them as it is thanks to the DLC

bpj62

(990 posts)
73. post this on FB
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:05 PM
Nov 2012

I have had a hard time articulating how I feel today towards my friends on the right. I have such a sense of outrage over how they have treated us and our president these past four years. I am so tired of the word "liberal" being treated like it was a disease or the name of a terrorist. I have tried to be compassionate and fair to my friends on the right and what i have discovered is that many of them are sore losers and if you try to point out why Romney lost or that the right needs to work with the president they tell you that you are rubbing it in. We spent 8 years in the desert under Bush being called everything from unpatriotic to terrorists for ever questioning the Bush administration and yet this bunch has such a collective bit of amnesia. Sometimes I want to tell them to fuck off but that solves nothing. Your post says it all for me.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
74. Guess what
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:11 PM
Nov 2012

they'll ignore all of this by thinking it is ok to nominate Rubio and some other black person like Michael Steele because it shows ethnic minorities will join them just because they have these people in their midst.

groundloop

(11,460 posts)
86. I hope it's cool if I borrow parts of this to send to my right-wing friends
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:42 PM
Nov 2012

I'd been trying to find the right words to tell them the way it really is without starting a serious pissing contest. You've done way better than I ever could have.

BlueNoteSpecial

(141 posts)
88. Nice post, but if they need sympathy, they can look it up...
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 04:00 PM
Nov 2012

...it's right there after shame, shit, and sycophant in Dan Websters book.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
92. Thom Hartmann is reading THIS post live.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 04:26 PM
Nov 2012

Right on!

Edited to add: He not only read it, he spent some time adding his opinion while reading it and when done he said that your post was brilliant Dawg!

On a rare occasion I have heard fellow DUer Thom Hartmann coment on his show about a DU post, never once have I heard him fully read one....until now.

More importantly, this is testimony that there are some powerful great thinkers posting and reading those posts in the mighty Democratic Underground!

tpsbmam

(3,927 posts)
101. Had just driven home and was in my driveway when Thom started reading this....
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:00 PM
Nov 2012

sat in my car to listen through the whole thing.

Well done, dawg!




 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
93. Well, good on ya, but I have no inclination to explain, define, or most importantly humble myself to
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 04:29 PM
Nov 2012

these greed-heads.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
111. It's the only way
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:27 PM
Nov 2012

seriously ...

Are "they" ALL going to hear this and convert to flaming Liberals?
Of course not.

But this is like clear clean water drip-dripping away to cleanse the poisons
that were threatening to bury and sabotage this great nation.

MLK Jr could have written this.

The more "we" can let go of our own hatred and resentments, the better
off the entire collective will become, because SOME will hear and melt
inside, to see the world more clearly and humanely..

liberalmuse

(18,665 posts)
98. Thom Hartman read your rant on the air!
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 04:31 PM
Nov 2012

Congrats! He said it's rare that he'll read a rant on the air, but this was well done.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
104. If intended for clear headed common sense individuals, there is no need of this, they are well aware
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:04 PM
Nov 2012

Of that truth but the sad reality is that the ones that need to hear this message will simply ignore it as more propaganda and mind controller coming from those nasty liberals...... Sad but nice letter regardless.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
114. If your talking to me no cynicism nor close mindedness , I am surrounded by many, I promise you
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:39 PM
Nov 2012

I know the difference and the real underlying reason many will not change their minds, pure and simple, prejudice, not only against the President but any and all those who do not fit period......

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
117. Yes bigotry dies hard, and it's death isn't pretty
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:58 PM
Nov 2012

but it is a sure bet, that it eventually implodes in upon itself,
as it is self-destructive by its very nature, and was attempting
to impose that self-destructive energy on the Collective.



But 2012 didn't work out well for them.. This can become a major
turning point for our species, evolutionarily speaking, but we
lovers of truth and justice must lead the way, like MLK, RFK,
et. al before us.

Election 2012 = "GAME OVER!!" for the 1% IMHO

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
118. Honestly, I try to reason, but after hearing so many derogatory racial remarks regardless of any
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:15 PM
Nov 2012

Valid reason for so many many years and from people you would believe knows better by now and especially in front of me I've lost faith enough older ones will ever change, they like "them" only when they know there place and behave in that sub servant manner.... In this day age even to myself who resides amongst them it still stuns me.... And saddens me, enrages me, all of the above...

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
122. At least we have time on our side ... tick-tock ...
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:36 PM
Nov 2012

regarding those "older ones" who may well never change,
they will simply all die off at some point.

tilsammans

(2,549 posts)
105. Bookmarked. Recommended. Kicked.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:05 PM
Nov 2012

Heard about this post on Thom's show. It's everything he said it was.

Brilliant.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
107. My young daughter came under the influence of
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:17 PM
Nov 2012

her conservative Fox news watching grandparent when she was in high school. One weekend, on a bit of a whim, I took her up to Camp Casey out of Bush's ranchette. We helped at the first aid booth and met many many wonderful like minded liberals. Of course, there were many ultra conservatives.

The memory that stuck the most in my daughter's head was a car full of little grandmotherly ladies being called all kinds of vulgar, crude names by folks on the other side of the street. Their crime....they had a peace sticker with a little faded rainbow on their bumper. They drove carefully and their windows were rolled down. I an sure there ears were not spared.

My daughter was so shocked at how ugly those bused in 'counter-protesters' were and how kind those heathen filthy liberals were. We didn't want for anything those three days at Camp Casey. It was like Woodstock, complete with the rain and mud, and the magic.

It ignited the liberal spark in my daughter's heart. She realized that liberals come from a place of love and kindness, not fear and hatered as some conservatives are want to. She has never turned back.

I think once some of these folks can release their fears, they can realize we are not that different in wanting the same things and that we can work together.

The world is changing, We need to change with it if we are to survive.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
108. I'm totally stealing this Dawg, with your permission of course
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:20 PM
Nov 2012

and you "Dawg on DU" will of course be credited with same.

This is a very well written and heart-felt gem.

mgardener

(1,778 posts)
110. Almost Perfect.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:22 PM
Nov 2012

And they lied to you about climate change.
It's here, it's man made and we are going to have to make some tough decisions if we want to save the planet/save lives.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
115. It is an excellent viewpoint
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:55 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:11 PM - Edit history (1)

and one that I ran by the teaheads that I work with today, here is their response....

must be real nice to be liberal. Liberals sure do seem to have all the answers, free healthcare, free obamaphones, welfare, WIC, Medicare and Medicaird, Social security no problems with any of these programs because the people already pay for them it's your money that you put in and the governmnet owes you that, so what if it runs up the debt, lets give more unemployment extensions, lets help all the poor, how about free internet, how about more subsidy for student loans, lets give more grants for education, we need more teachers and more schools and hell they need to be paid more and lets unionize all the city and state workers so they can force taxpayers to pay more for their salaries and pensions, etc, more inner city and youth social programs, more spending to help the homeless, lets help all the people, lets heal the planet lets have government issue carbon taxes and we can just replant the deforested areas, living wage for all, and we will do all this by taxing the rich, those evil rich don't pay their fair share now so by having the government tax them we will make sure they pay, right? and those rich won't find otherways to get the money back that government takes in taxation no they are evil but they know when they are outmatched by the government, they wouldn't dare increase the costs of the goods and services that they own the production of no, they wouldn't dare lay off workers or move jobs overseas to lower their costs and increase their profits, no certainly they will sit right here and eat the tax increase because they also must be taught that this will make us all a nice caring and loving society.

Then this ....

"You really don't have a clue that this country is 16 trillion in debt and the trajectory of the debt due to social spending is going to destroy our currency in the next 10-15 years, complete collapse of the American economy, you live in your liberal talking points that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is what caused the debt but you don't have a clue."

Then they tell me to go to some website usdebtclock or something and say see for yourself what is happening.....

So they pretty much are set in their ways and won't be trying to come together for the greater good anytime soon, I mean as far as supporting any type of social programs go... In fact one of them was spouting off how they think Obama is about to make a hard right turn politically to create some kind of Presidential legacy and that he is going to do exactly what the Republicans want him to do to deal with the debt....

All I said is don't count your chickens you were wrong about the polls too.... LOL

Jankyn

(253 posts)
116. Thanks for citing as "open-source liberalism."
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:57 PM
Nov 2012

I've posted on FB, and credited to dawg on DU. This needs to get out there. Very good work.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
119. I think you are mostly spot-on.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:21 PM
Nov 2012

I would quibble with two things:

I would instead say that there is more than one way to make a family, and also that we believe in the choice not to have a family at all.

I would also say that we believe in freedom of religion, but also freedom FROM religion. Religion is for the private sphere, not the public. Atheist are equally moral and committed to making this country great and should be encouraged to serve openly in public life. There is no religious test for public office.

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
124. Good job, Dawg. I know that my dimwitted RW relatives read DU
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 07:17 PM
Nov 2012

and will see this. So, here's a shout-out to them: You and your friends can leave your fort in the woods and return to your homes. Liberuls are not going to murder you and burn your homes for being racists -- that was a RW lie. Please go back to your homes.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
125. I like what you said but it is of no avail. Republicans are willfully ignorant. Emphasis on the
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 07:17 PM
Nov 2012

willful. They cant handle the truth. Climate Change for example. If you believe in CC then you must recognize that there is a lot of hard work ahead and it may affect our standard of living. For some it is sooo much nicer to live in the ignorance bubble.

DreWId

(78 posts)
126. This is what I posted this morning on my own facebook page
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 07:31 PM
Nov 2012

To my conservative friends, let us work together:
To my pro-life friends, let's make contraceptive education available to everyone and let us work together so that all babies, infants, and toddlers have ease of access to comprehensive medical care.
To my pro-gun friends, let us work together to de-stigmatize mental healthcare and expand access to such services.
To my "Support the Troops" friends, let us work together to expand both physical and mental healthcare for our veterans and our troops, returning home and those serving abroad. Let war always be the last, somber course of action.
To my friends at risk of foreclosure: let us reinstate Glass-Steigel and expand Dodd-Frank so that financial institutions cannot run rampant with our money, again.
To my pro-oil friends: let us invest in renewable energy sources and a smart electricity grid so that not only will the United States be protected against foreign oil influence, but each one of us and our houses will be protected against large-scale blackouts and temporary inoperable neighborhood gas stations.
To my budget-hawk friends: I agree with you! In order to get our deficit under control we need to set in place a comprehensive audit of our budget, recognize with unbiased eyes waste and redundancies that won't affect the quality or services provided, and understand that taxes are how we pay for things and those who are sharing less of the burden than others should pay equally.
To my friends worried about jobs: We need to bring outsourced jobs back to the States and make sure those companies are paying all their employees fairly. Not only should our products be stamped with "Proudly made in the U.S.A." but also "Proudly made in" Delaware, Oklahoma, Alabama, Nebraska, or whichever state that product comes from.
To my religious friends: let us work together to help the poor, the disenfranchised, the sick, and those the least among us. Your faith to you is grander than politics so don't get bogged down in the inner machinations of the country, but work compassionately with olive branch extended, not the sword.
To my Republican friends: Let us work together to make our voices ring during times of election. Let us reinstate and strengthen McCain-Feingold, call for a Constitutional Amendment declaring 'natural citizenship' and reversing Citizens United. Let each voting district own their own voting machines instead of a private company and make sure the source code is open access. Nobody should be waiting in line for over an hour. Let us make it an actual constitutional right to be allowed to vote for President and Vice President.
To all my friends: We are a nation of big ideas as well as freedom and individualism. We should not lose sight of the vision for a grander America. Those services we want to use we should have and those we don't use should be there if we decide to. It's not about the next bill, the next election, or the next 4 years, it's about what kind of country and responsibilities we want to pass on to our children. And always we should ask if our actions help expand our individual freedom.
America can be greater but only if we all work together.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
128. If I were as big a dick as you, I would send this to my Republic family and friensds,
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:16 PM
Nov 2012

but i'm not.And I hoe your not.

131. Tom Hartman Read This On Air
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:53 PM
Nov 2012

Dawg:

Heard this read on the air today.

Excellent post.

I look forward to more of your post in the future.

Bob Mayberry (Observation Post)

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
132. "it would be best if every able-bodied working age person had a" paying-enough "job"
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:10 PM
Nov 2012

"We believe in hard work, and that it would be best if every able-bodied working age person had a" paying-enough, i.g., neither exploited, nor over-worked "job."

Sorry if I felt like I needed to add to that a little further (I am convinced that it's the way you meant to say it but it's too often just 'silently' implied and I wanted them to see it written down).

K&R

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
136. Awesome post Dawg!!
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:44 PM
Nov 2012

People have been lied to, and manipulated with fear. We all want Truth and Justice for All, and if we are to work together, we have to identify the lies--and to identify who wishes to turn American on American.

Propaganda has done irreparable damage to this country, has divided families, communities and threatens to divide this country--We need a return of the Fairness Doctrine--so that we have true Freedom of the Press.

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
139. ok well you get a little whiney
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:14 PM
Nov 2012

about believing and crap........

you can leave it at '[ we want to work' ]

but hey , its on now. so here is what we will now say.

welcome to civilization.

DiverDave

(4,859 posts)
147. There is a reason there are so many rec's
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:08 AM
Nov 2012

for this.
You said exactly what needs to be said, and I wish this could be in every newspaper in America.
It wont change the rabid right wing, but it would change the thinking,thoughtful republicans.
There are some out there, I just wish they would stand up against the lunacy that's taken over their party.

Very well written, you get a gold star for today.
(First grade we would get them, I would stick mine on my forehead)

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
152. Well said dawg!
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:06 AM
Nov 2012

I hope you will consider submitting this to your local, and other newspaper(s). It tells the truth w/out being condescending. Most people (particularly moderate types) are more willing to listen to points of view that perhaps are a bit left of theirs, if said POV's are communicated respectfully.

After all, we couldn't have pulled off the victories we saw on Tuesday, if it were not for these swing/centrist types. Now that we've got them, we want to keep them. (And perhaps even gently convert them over time. )

Your words set the right tone to do just that. Well done!

155. Thank you!
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:56 AM
Nov 2012

I've been lurking around DU for about 5 months now. I'm 20 and this was my first election. Icome from a very strong democratic family and they've always been very open to everyone's beliefs and let me make up my own mind. I tried to get my info from as many sources as possible to be fair to both sides. ill spare you guys my beliefs but I agree with most everything here. gay marriage, women's rights, healthcare.. etc. I'm a business student and I believe very much a strong economy is necessary to drive our country, I'm ashamed to admit I bought into the fear mongering and I voted with my fear and wallet instead of my heart and head. you guys seemed so calm but everyone else seemed so panicked and their ignorance just sucked me into that somehow the entire economy would explode the second Obama was re-elected. there was that moment. and I don't know if any of you have had it, when you realize you listened to chicken little and you feel like an idiot. your post caught my eye. I'm no conservative, but I knew what you were saying, and I'm so glad that you guys understand we make mistakes and that some people have to make that mistake just so they can feel stupid and learn from it

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
158. No worries
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:08 AM
Nov 2012

we were all there once ... my first vote was for Nixon lol it took me a little time to learn the difference between Repubs and Dems and once I did I sure felt dumb. I've been true blue since and figured out that it was important to vote a straight Dem ticket from the top on down.

The cool thing was that I was able to educate my parents on the difference (we were immigrants and naturalized citizens) and they voted straight Dem after that as well!

Welcome to DU!!

dawg

(10,590 posts)
161. You're welcome.
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:58 AM
Nov 2012

For what it's worth, I went to business school myself, so I know what that culture is like.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
156. Helloooo.... freepers, trolls, cave dwelllers?
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:55 AM
Nov 2012

Got anything to say about this?

Don't feel embarrassed.

It's ok.

We're good people and are very happy to accept your humble apologies.

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
157. They are not LISTENING!!!!!!!
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:00 AM
Nov 2012

They live in the Republican Bubble of Faux News!!!! While the world is changing they can only hear the noise in the Bubble!!!!! I will feel sorry for them when they feel sorry for lying and being ridiculous enough to be mislead,

will_in_chicago

(202 posts)
159. In time, perhaps
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:11 AM
Nov 2012

They may not be listening now but some will likely try to figure out what went wrong. Some may see this post and reflect.

I would like to hope that there will be some Republicans who will question their parties policies and rhetoric. However, I fear that some at least are going to double down on their rhetoric. Particularly, I fear that the Tea Party members in the House and Senate will be as obstinate as they have been in the past two years.

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
160. As Long as the Republican Party Platform
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:22 AM
Nov 2012

has cemented the door shut to the no knowledge in please Republican Bubble, they will be this way!!! The longer they are this way the much more diverse, strong,and receptive of change, the Democratic party becomes!!! I like that thought!!!!

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