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Yahoo News
Donald Trump Jr. is selling Bibles on social media.
The eldest son of Donald Trump was accused of peak grift over a video in which he promoted the We The People Bible that he said defended Americas Judeo-Christian values that he claimed are currently under attack.
It comes as key evangelical figures turn their backs on the former president who has launched a third run for the White House amid a slew of investigations into his conduct.
It went viral for the wrong reasons on Monday after being retweeted by outgoing Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), a fierce critic of Donald Trump and his administration, among others:
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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-jr-gets-holy-075812235.html
Buns_of_Fire
(19,222 posts)GenThePerservering
(3,717 posts)maddiemom
(5,206 posts)A couple of years ago ",daddy" Don Sr., was hawking GOYA bean products spread out atop the Resolute Desk. Bibles are a step up, maybe?
Crowman2009
(3,600 posts)keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)Is the cover signed by the Donald?
The same Donald who ridicules Holy Communion.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=bible%20signed%20by%20trump%20on%20the%20cover&qs=n&form=QBRE&=%25eManage%20Your%20Search%20History%25E&sp=-1&pq=bible%20signed%20by%20trump%20on%20the%20cover&sc=0-34&sk=&cvid=2D2A02B14BF548EBBC57AF892C54416D&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=
twodogsbarking
(19,363 posts)IronLionZion
(51,559 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Jade Fox
(10,030 posts)AZ8theist
(7,638 posts)BlueWaveNeverEnd
(15,017 posts)thing... distance between hands narrowing and widening.
MagickMuffin
(18,362 posts)It puts the easily manipulated into a trance and theyll believe anything!
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(15,017 posts)JanLip
(862 posts)I love it here. You guys make me LOL, and spew coffee all over my IPad!! I dont post much but I have been lurking for years. Been able to keep my sanity just reading the comments. This is my safe place. Keep doing what yall do. I appreciate it. Jan
3Hotdogs
(15,551 posts)assembled in 'merica
Lib'tards just don't want to see our economy grow.
Aww, come on, Ruth. Did you actually need the emoticon?
PCIntern
(28,595 posts)GenThePerservering
(3,717 posts)so the magats can read it.
ironflange
(7,781 posts)Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)what do they think they can get for a Bible?
jmowreader
(53,397 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)We need to attack them for their efforts to destroy Christianity.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Christians have a responsibility to point out heretics.
This does not apply to any Christian and a sin. So it is a fine line. Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,
If someone's teachings and actions are damaging Christianity then it needs to be called out. Republicans are damaging Christianity.
Screaming that refugees are all bad is not in alignment with Christianity.
Constant lying and the acceptance of constant lying is not in alignment with Christianity.
There are a lot of examples of right wing heretics.
Not to get in the weeds but the right needs top be called out. They are making up a new Christianity.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)
were so keen on keeping a wall of separation between Church and State. They were well-educated men, and the history they studied in college was far more recent to their age than to ours.
Let me give you the short version: for century after century after century the soil of Europe had been soaked with the blood of people whod been deemed heretics. The Church spoke with the voice of God and Kings ruled by the grace of God, and different opinions were not tolerated. The sword, the gibbet, the pyre, and very inventive means of torture were all ways of ferreting out heresy, forcing confessions of heresy, and punishing heresy,
When European settlers landed in the New World, they had many motives, but a key one in early days was to be left alone regarding how they saw God, who was a real entity to them. They were not necessarily tolerant of other beliefs themselves, but America afforded them something Europe and the British Isles had not: the ability to leave the vicinity and start their own church. Sometimes they didnt have to go far; the people who disagreed could just build another church on the other side of town.
America has been good to those kind of rebels and others. America also has been great for people who, based on the fact that they can read the Bible, believe they dont have to go to a theological seminary and test their ideas against old tradition or even rational thought. They talk straight to God or Gawd.
Look: go back to first principles as written by Franklin, Jefferson, and the rest and keep government out of religion and religion out of government. Beyond that, ensure that people living in accordance to some religious belief are free to do so as long as they follow the secular laws of the USA that apply to us all equally.
You go mucking about trying to define heresy in regard someones religious beliefs, you best do it from inside that religion. You leave the rest of us out of it. There is no we in that enterprise. I will stay far, far away first, because I believe its a fools errand, and second because I am way outside the majority as regards religion in the US, and it is the First Amendment that protects me.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)I also agree 100% with the huge importance of maintaining a separation of church and state.
That said republicans do not want separation of church and state. They want Christian nationalism! Or as I prefer Christofascism.
So yes what I am presenting is a fine line and perhaps a line we should not cross. However when republicans are so blatantly ignoring the Christian doctrine they preach, push back needs to happen. Is calling them heretics the wrong path, maybe. Something needs to happen because people like Green screaming she wants Christian nationalism is just wrong.
Republicans are now moving in the direction you disagree with. I think we can agree on that.
I will have think on it some, but yes any movement to label people that are damaging Christianity should happen within the Christian Church. All denominations of the christian church. The right seems to think they have a lock on Christianity in America. I don't think they do.
I want to be sure we understand each other. I am talking about people who are damaging Christianity. Saying that refugees are murders and rapists is not welcoming the stranger in you land. Using lies as a political weapon with no repercussions is bad for Christianity.
Christianity is collapsing in America. The numbers are in free fall. I believe a good case could be made that the heresy I speak of is the reason why. People are not buying this bullshit. If the church wants to survive then they should teach Christianity and call out the people who are damaging the religion.
I am not a very good writer but good debate. Thank you.
old as dirt
(1,972 posts)...from a historical point of view.
(pages 104 - 106)
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Slaves also sought freedom extra-legally, and flight was typical across the Pacific lowlands. Some escaped slaves traveled as far as the cities while others formed maroon communities, or palenques, along the margins of the mining region. The most important palenque that was formed within the jurisdiction of Popayán was located east of the Pacific mines, in the Patía River Valley. This palenque was significant because it evolved into a town that, as we shall see in later chapters, was central to the royalist defense of Popayán during the wars of independence. Runaways settled in a place called "El Castigo," taking advantage of the frontier area around the Patía River Valley north of Pasto and east of Barbacoas, which was not colonized by the Spanish until the 1720s. By then, when exploration of the area and land titling began to take place, the palenque was populated mostly by renegade whites and runaway slaves from the mines of Barbacoas and Iscuandé and from the haciendas in the Cauca River Valley. During this period Spanish colonial officials unsuccessfully attempted to conquer or destroy this palenque.
Yet, as occured in the neighboring palenques of Esmeraldes and Baudó, and in other runaway communities in colonial contexts, the inhabitants of El Castigo sought the presense of representatives of the church in their territory. Between 1731 and 1732, they sent three messengers to the city of Pasto to request that a Priest visit Nachao and Nalgua, two towns they had established, each of which had built a church within its boundries. This request exposed their strategy of aligning their community with the Catholic precepts that were central to social and political life in Popayán.
The Quito Audiencia tried to take advantage of the maroons' interest in the church, attempting to co-opt the palenque into establishing civil government in the area in exchange for a pardon from the state. The runaway community resisted the audencia's attempt to include them within its juristiction (reducción) but succeeded in securing a permanent priest for their settlement. Morover, the Popayán municipal council conceeded their right to name two people from the palenque to "administer justice in the name of His Magisty to all the individuals who currently are congregated in those towns," with the condition that they not admit any more runaways to the community, detaining the fugitives and informing the Popayán authorities to their presence. Thus, the maroons of Patía not only used religion for the purpose of community building; they also seem to have preferred to establish a relationship with the church rather than with the civil authorities.
In the Hispanic context, the crown promoted a corporate organization of society, and thus collective rights could be secured to a greater extent than individual rights. This constituted an incentive for enslaved and free blacks to link their legal strategies to the colonial corporate logic. Indeed, the politics of freedom and community building among free people of African descent pivoted around the struggle to gain recognition, aquire political rights, and overcome racist assumptions of the larger society. During the eighteenth century, those goals coincided with the crown's interest in integrating the maroons into society - to "reduce" the community of runaways to legitimate towns - by negociating and extending certain concessions in exchage for their professed loyalty. The integration of free blacks in to civil life reminds us that maroon communities were forged within the colonial would and not outside it.
In Popayán, free and enslaved blacks of Africal origin and descent upheld justice through their underlying pattern of engagement with imperial legal institutions. This was visible in instances when, as in Patía, maroons negociated their conditions of integration into colonial society. Yet legal freedom was not the only goal of the enslaved. As we will see next, in the Pacific mining region, garnering greater rights within the institution of slavery may have been their most realistic goal.
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Indian and Slave Royalists in the Age of Revolution: Reform, Revolution, and Royalism in the Northern Andes, 17801825 (Cambridge Latin American Studies, Series Number 102)
by Marcela Echeverri
[https://www.amazon.com/Indian-Slave-Royalists-Age-Revolution/dp/1107084148

yellowcanine
(36,828 posts)Blue Owl
(59,633 posts)republianmushroom
(22,735 posts)at it. But fleecing the flock is a family tradition.
czarjak
(13,678 posts)Emile
(43,289 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)What? You think they'd actually shell out for something they get for free in any hotel room?
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