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Beachnutt

(8,946 posts)
Tue Jan 3, 2023, 07:06 AM Jan 2023

Donald Trump Jr. Gets Holy Hell Over Bible Fundraiser Video

Yahoo News
Donald Trump Jr. is selling Bibles on social media.

The eldest son of Donald Trump was accused of “peak grift” over a video in which he promoted the “We The People” Bible that he said defended America’s “Judeo-Christian” values that he claimed are currently under attack.

It comes as key evangelical figures turn their backs on the former president who has launched a third run for the White House amid a slew of investigations into his conduct.
It went viral for the wrong reasons on Monday after being retweeted by outgoing Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), a fierce critic of Donald Trump and his administration, among others:
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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-jr-gets-holy-075812235.html

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Donald Trump Jr. Gets Holy Hell Over Bible Fundraiser Video (Original Post) Beachnutt Jan 2023 OP
Are daddy's words in red? nt Buns_of_Fire Jan 2023 #1
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 lisa58 Jan 2023 #2
Red Letter Trumpy! nt GenThePerservering Jan 2023 #19
BUT WAIT! maddiemom Jan 2023 #23
Does this bible have a cutout compartment to hide bags of blow? Crowman2009 Jan 2023 #3
Is the cover signed by the Donald? keithbvadu2 Jan 2023 #4
It seems fitting in a way. twodogsbarking Jan 2023 #5
Did he make some edits in sharpie? IronLionZion Jan 2023 #6
That would imply he read it... NullTuples Jan 2023 #18
I wonder if Jr. has ever actually seen the inside of a church.....nt Jade Fox Jan 2023 #7
or even read the book he's scamming... AZ8theist Jan 2023 #10
Trump Jr is sounding, vocally and contentwise, more and more like his father. Even doing the hand BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #8
It's called the Hypnotizing Air Accordion MagickMuffin Jan 2023 #17
lol BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #26
LOL.....🤣 JanLip Jan 2023 #28
Da fuck yiz complaining about? It is made in 'merica, printed in 'merica and 3Hotdogs Jan 2023 #9
AND IT IS IN THE ORIGINAL ENGLISH!!! PCIntern Jan 2023 #11
And ALL words of one syllable or less GenThePerservering Jan 2023 #20
Just as Jesus intended ironflange Jan 2023 #22
Not English -- 'Murikin! Just like Jesus! Sky Jewels Jan 2023 #31
So, if they are selling digital cards for a hindred bucks, just.... TreasonousBastard Jan 2023 #12
$69.95 jmowreader Jan 2023 #21
It is a family of heretics. The Jungle 1 Jan 2023 #13
"We" do? I think Christians need to to take care of this themselves, not political parties. Hekate Jan 2023 #24
It is my understand that... The Jungle 1 Jan 2023 #27
Well, you do that. Just do a little research into European history & see why America's founders... Hekate Jan 2023 #29
I do understand the history of heresy and respect it The Jungle 1 Jan 2023 #33
This is certainly true... old as dirt Jan 2023 #34
Does this bible have Two Corinthians going into a bar? yellowcanine Jan 2023 #14
It's the special upside-down edition Blue Owl Jan 2023 #15
Jr. is learning the con from his dad. Got a long way to go, to be as good as his dad republianmushroom Jan 2023 #16
"Nothing beats the Bible"? czarjak Jan 2023 #25
Does he display them upside down? Emile Jan 2023 #30
Hastily scratched out "Placed by The Gideons" on each copy gratuitous Jan 2023 #32

maddiemom

(5,206 posts)
23. BUT WAIT!
Tue Jan 3, 2023, 07:04 PM
Jan 2023

A couple of years ago ",daddy" Don Sr., was hawking GOYA bean products spread out atop the Resolute Desk. Bibles are a step up, maybe?

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(15,017 posts)
8. Trump Jr is sounding, vocally and contentwise, more and more like his father. Even doing the hand
Tue Jan 3, 2023, 09:16 AM
Jan 2023

thing... distance between hands narrowing and widening.

MagickMuffin

(18,362 posts)
17. It's called the Hypnotizing Air Accordion
Tue Jan 3, 2023, 02:32 PM
Jan 2023

It puts the easily manipulated into a trance and they’ll believe anything!

JanLip

(862 posts)
28. LOL.....🤣
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 12:03 PM
Jan 2023

I love it here. You guys make me LOL, and spew coffee all over my IPad!! I don’t post much but I have been lurking for years. Been able to keep my sanity just reading the comments. This is my safe place. Keep doing what y’all do. I appreciate it. Jan

3Hotdogs

(15,551 posts)
9. Da fuck yiz complaining about? It is made in 'merica, printed in 'merica and
Tue Jan 3, 2023, 09:35 AM
Jan 2023

assembled in 'merica

Lib'tards just don't want to see our economy grow.





















Aww, come on, Ruth. Did you actually need the emoticon?

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
12. So, if they are selling digital cards for a hindred bucks, just....
Tue Jan 3, 2023, 09:54 AM
Jan 2023

what do they think they can get for a Bible?

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
13. It is a family of heretics.
Tue Jan 3, 2023, 09:57 AM
Jan 2023

We need to attack them for their efforts to destroy Christianity.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
24. "We" do? I think Christians need to to take care of this themselves, not political parties.
Tue Jan 3, 2023, 08:37 PM
Jan 2023
 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
27. It is my understand that...
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 10:20 AM
Jan 2023

Christians have a responsibility to point out heretics.
This does not apply to any Christian and a sin. So it is a fine line. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”
If someone's teachings and actions are damaging Christianity then it needs to be called out. Republicans are damaging Christianity.
Screaming that refugees are all bad is not in alignment with Christianity.
Constant lying and the acceptance of constant lying is not in alignment with Christianity.
There are a lot of examples of right wing heretics.

Not to get in the weeds but the right needs top be called out. They are making up a new Christianity.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
29. Well, you do that. Just do a little research into European history & see why America's founders...
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:54 PM
Jan 2023

… were so keen on keeping “a wall of separation between Church and State.” They were well-educated men, and the history they studied in college was far more recent to their age than to ours.

Let me give you the short version: for century after century after century the soil of Europe had been soaked with the blood of people who’d been deemed “heretics.” The Church spoke with the voice of God and Kings ruled by the grace of God, and different opinions were not tolerated. The sword, the gibbet, the pyre, and very inventive means of torture were all ways of ferreting out heresy, forcing confessions of heresy, and punishing heresy,

When European settlers landed in the New World, they had many motives, but a key one in early days was to be left alone regarding how they saw God, who was a real entity to them. They were not necessarily tolerant of other beliefs themselves, but America afforded them something Europe and the British Isles had not: the ability to leave the vicinity and start their own church. Sometimes they didn’t have to go far; the people who disagreed could just build another church on the other side of town.

America has been good to those kind of rebels and others. America also has been great for people who, based on the fact that they can read the Bible, believe they don’t have to go to a theological seminary and test their ideas against old tradition or even rational thought. They talk straight to God — or Gawd.

Look: go back to first principles as written by Franklin, Jefferson, and the rest and keep government out of religion and religion out of government. Beyond that, ensure that people living in accordance to some religious belief are free to do so as long as they follow the secular laws of the USA that apply to us all equally.

You go mucking about trying to define heresy in regard someone’s religious beliefs, you best do it from inside that religion. You leave the rest of us out of it. There is no “we” in that enterprise. I will stay far, far away — first, because I believe it’s a fool’s errand, and second because I am way outside the majority as regards religion in the US, and it is the First Amendment that protects me.



 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
33. I do understand the history of heresy and respect it
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 05:28 PM
Jan 2023

I also agree 100% with the huge importance of maintaining a separation of church and state.
That said republicans do not want separation of church and state. They want Christian nationalism! Or as I prefer Christofascism.

So yes what I am presenting is a fine line and perhaps a line we should not cross. However when republicans are so blatantly ignoring the Christian doctrine they preach, push back needs to happen. Is calling them heretics the wrong path, maybe. Something needs to happen because people like Green screaming she wants Christian nationalism is just wrong.

Republicans are now moving in the direction you disagree with. I think we can agree on that.

I will have think on it some, but yes any movement to label people that are damaging Christianity should happen within the Christian Church. All denominations of the christian church. The right seems to think they have a lock on Christianity in America. I don't think they do.

I want to be sure we understand each other. I am talking about people who are damaging Christianity. Saying that refugees are murders and rapists is not welcoming the stranger in you land. Using lies as a political weapon with no repercussions is bad for Christianity.

Christianity is collapsing in America. The numbers are in free fall. I believe a good case could be made that the heresy I speak of is the reason why. People are not buying this bullshit. If the church wants to survive then they should teach Christianity and call out the people who are damaging the religion.

I am not a very good writer but good debate. Thank you.


 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
34. This is certainly true...
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 05:36 PM
Jan 2023

...from a historical point of view.

Screaming that refugees are all bad is not in alignment with Christianity.



(pages 104 - 106)

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Slaves also sought freedom extra-legally, and flight was typical across the Pacific lowlands. Some escaped slaves traveled as far as the cities while others formed maroon communities, or palenques, along the margins of the mining region. The most important palenque that was formed within the jurisdiction of Popayán was located east of the Pacific mines, in the Patía River Valley. This palenque was significant because it evolved into a town that, as we shall see in later chapters, was central to the royalist defense of Popayán during the wars of independence. Runaways settled in a place called "El Castigo," taking advantage of the frontier area around the Patía River Valley north of Pasto and east of Barbacoas, which was not colonized by the Spanish until the 1720s. By then, when exploration of the area and land titling began to take place, the palenque was populated mostly by renegade whites and runaway slaves from the mines of Barbacoas and Iscuandé and from the haciendas in the Cauca River Valley. During this period Spanish colonial officials unsuccessfully attempted to conquer or destroy this palenque.

Yet, as occured in the neighboring palenques of Esmeraldes and Baudó, and in other runaway communities in colonial contexts, the inhabitants of El Castigo sought the presense of representatives of the church in their territory. Between 1731 and 1732, they sent three messengers to the city of Pasto to request that a Priest visit Nachao and Nalgua, two towns they had established, each of which had built a church within its boundries. This request exposed their strategy of aligning their community with the Catholic precepts that were central to social and political life in Popayán.

The Quito Audiencia tried to take advantage of the maroons' interest in the church, attempting to co-opt the palenque into establishing civil government in the area in exchange for a pardon from the state. The runaway community resisted the audencia's attempt to include them within its juristiction (reducción) but succeeded in securing a permanent priest for their settlement. Morover, the Popayán municipal council conceeded their right to name two people from the palenque to "administer justice in the name of His Magisty to all the individuals who currently are congregated in those towns," with the condition that they not admit any more runaways to the community, detaining the fugitives and informing the Popayán authorities to their presence. Thus, the maroons of Patía not only used religion for the purpose of community building; they also seem to have preferred to establish a relationship with the church rather than with the civil authorities.

In the Hispanic context, the crown promoted a corporate organization of society, and thus collective rights could be secured to a greater extent than individual rights. This constituted an incentive for enslaved and free blacks to link their legal strategies to the colonial corporate logic. Indeed, the politics of freedom and community building among free people of African descent pivoted around the struggle to gain recognition, aquire political rights, and overcome racist assumptions of the larger society. During the eighteenth century, those goals coincided with the crown's interest in integrating the maroons into society - to "reduce" the community of runaways to legitimate towns - by negociating and extending certain concessions in exchage for their professed loyalty. The integration of free blacks in to civil life reminds us that maroon communities were forged within the colonial would and not outside it.

In Popayán, free and enslaved blacks of Africal origin and descent upheld justice through their underlying pattern of engagement with imperial legal institutions. This was visible in instances when, as in Patía, maroons negociated their conditions of integration into colonial society. Yet legal freedom was not the only goal of the enslaved. As we will see next, in the Pacific mining region, garnering greater rights within the institution of slavery may have been their most realistic goal.

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Indian and Slave Royalists in the Age of Revolution: Reform, Revolution, and Royalism in the Northern Andes, 1780–1825 (Cambridge Latin American Studies, Series Number 102)

by Marcela Echeverri

[https://www.amazon.com/Indian-Slave-Royalists-Age-Revolution/dp/1107084148

republianmushroom

(22,735 posts)
16. Jr. is learning the con from his dad. Got a long way to go, to be as good as his dad
Tue Jan 3, 2023, 02:20 PM
Jan 2023

at it. But fleecing the flock is a family tradition.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
32. Hastily scratched out "Placed by The Gideons" on each copy
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 03:08 PM
Jan 2023

What? You think they'd actually shell out for something they get for free in any hotel room?

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