Perhaps pick a moderate republican and get Democrat votes?

[The Jungle 1]

A great way to *shut down the radical right* and take all their power!!!! They would walk away with nothing.
I am hearing the name Fitzpatrick. A moderate from Southeastern Pa.
I am all in on this idea.

[EYESORE 9001]

1. Do you mean 'Democratic votes'?

That’s what I thought.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

9. "Democrat's" would be fine there as well

Just sayin

[EYESORE 9001]

27. Yeah, that would work

Using ‘Democrat’ as an adjective? Not so much.

[The Jungle 1]

51. What is an adjective?

[EYESORE 9001]

52. ...

[The Jungle 1]

79. It the word "impolite" an adjective?

In this sentence would impolite be an adjective.
It is impoliteish to point out utter mericans grammar errors.

Yo some of us don't speak or write so goodly. Education sucks in merica.

Thanks for leading me into this rant. I kinda let it go but it needs to be said.

[EYESORE 9001]

82. Nobody is impugning your intellect

or lack thereof. It’s the choice of ‘Democrat’ as an adjective that catches my attention. You see, for a couple decades now, repuQs, MAGAts, conservatroids of all stripes, really, have been wielding the phrase ‘Democrat party’ as an insult. If this is the first you’ve heard of this, then my job is done. If anyone persists saying it that way for the rest of your time here, you can expect pushback. People are funny about phrases that one would expect from RW scum, but not from a member of this board.

That, too, needed to be said.

Grammar error

It’s a deliberate choice of phrase, and it got said in a grammatically correct manner. It’s the ideology behind deliberate use with which I take issue.

[The Jungle 1]

86. Me tinks you are picking the fly shit out of the pepper.

But what ever. Mostly I do not care one way or the other. However there are a lot of people on the site who do correct grammar. I got called out for using the wrong "to".
You most assuredly did not make the reason for your objection clear at all by talking about adjectives. Now I do understand your objection. I do not think it has much merit or was worth all this.

[EYESORE 9001]

87. Sorry

I wasn’t listening.

[Captain Stern]

76. They're hard to describe. n/t

[The Jungle 1]

78. So is the word "impolite" an adjective?

In this sentence would impolite be an adjective.
It is impoliteish to point out utter mericans grammar errors.

Yo some of us don't speak or write so goodly. Education sucks in merica.

Thanks for leading me into this rant. I kinda let it go but it needs to be said.

[bucolic_frolic]

2. God, not Fitzpatrick.

Those clowns have been in power in some form of local government almost 60 years. Enough.

[The Jungle 1]

17. I agree it is a family dynasty.

His brother gave him the seat.

I do not agree with a lot he does but to take power away from the radical right would be so worth it. Think about it we shut down bobert!
Giving a huge bird to trump.

[bucolic_frolic]

32. That GOP wimp won't stop anything .nt

[dsp3000]

45. im from his district. slimeball to say the least

[gab13by13]

3. I am predicting Tom Cole.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. Ewww. Don't think we want someone that Time magazine said had the sharpest mind lol

[Laura PourMeADrink]

77. Had to go back and look... Thought you might have

Said Hern. . Boebert just nominated

[mopinko]

4. unlikely.

i do not think dems should bail their ass out.
some ‘moderates’ want to compromise, let them vote present and get jeffries. or stay home.
they’d be doin kev a huge favor.

[odins folly]

12. Agreed

I say screw them and the horses they rode in on. I realize not much, in fact nothing, will get done in the house until they have a speaker. But this is the monster they have created and they should suffer those consequences. Anything, and I do mean ANYTHING, the Democratic side does to help them will not be repaid in kind. They will stick to their crazy agenda and spit in the face of those who help.

It would be unprecedented, but Jeffries is the logical outcome if they can’t get the psycho traitors on board with a repub speaker.

[mopinko]

16. it would be such smart politics for them.

cuz nothing will get done w/o dem votes. they might just as well swallow hard, and realize hakeem is gonna be in charge, no matter which clown ends up w the gavel.
and it makes them look so good to anyone w/o prion disease.

[The Jungle 1]

19. But we do get something big out of this plan

The radical right loses power. No concessions no nothing for them. We shut them down. That is a big win. Plus we start down a path of bipartisanship.

[inthewind21]

62. Now

THAT'S some wishful thinking.

[onenote]

5. How do you define a "moderate" Republican? The crazies think McCarthy is "moderate"

Fitzpatrick isn't a crazy, but he's still anti-choice. And I'm not sure there are five other repubs that would support making him speaker.

[The Jungle 1]

6. This article explains my position

https://thephiladelphiacitizen.org/brian-fitzpatrick-speaker-of-the-house/

I say it would be great to remove any power from the radical right.

[onenote]

8. Still leaves unanswered: would five repubs. support Fitzpatrick? Would every Democrat?

I think its unlikely.

[The Jungle 1]

47. I think you would get way more than 5.

[Omnipresent]

7. Damn straight!

There aren’t any moderate Republicans in that house anymore.
Hell, they chased two conservative Republicans out, who had some sense of constitutional responsibility!

[ananda]

10. Please name at least one moderate Reep in the House...

since I can't think of any.

[The Jungle 1]

18. This is my source

https://thephiladelphiacitizen.org/brian-fitzpatrick-speaker-of-the-house/

[onenote]

44. Apart from Fitzpatrick, what other "moderate" repubs are named in your source article?

[The Jungle 1]

49. The article is about Fitzpatrick. However there are other moderate repuibliocans.

Any of them will serve the purpose of removing power from the radical right.
That should be our political goal.
At this point I bet McCarthy would support a plan to shut down the radical right.

[groundloop]

61. Yes. There are plenty of options better than McCarthy

We don't have a majority in the House so it's a given that the Speaker won't be a Democrat. Hence the very best we can achieve is a GOPer who isn't bat shit crazy (and who'd keep the magats off of important committees).

[inthewind21]

64. And

You honestly thing ANY of that would actually happen? I got some beachfront property in Arizona for sale.

[doc03]

11. Is there such a thing as a moderate Republican? nt

[Diamond_Dog]

13. Is there any repub

Who doesn’t want to cut social security and is pro-choice?

I didn’t think so.

[Happy Hoosier]

14. Not unless...

.... they get a committment for a clean dent seiling resolution, fair rep[resentation on committees, and a committment to not pursue grandstanding "investigations" or "impeachments."

Honestly though, I don;t expect there are any GQP left genuinwlt committed to good government.

[JohnSJ]

15. That won't happen. The real problem is the republican party has embraced the insurrectionists.

Twenty-Four hours after January 6, almost 90% of the republicans in Congress refused to push back on trump and the insurrectionists. In fact, just the opposite happened.

It is no surprise that McCarthy, and most of the degenerate republicans in the House, have no problem ceding power to the insurrectionists in the House.

That is what they are doing by allowing one deranged House member to throw out the Speaker if they don't get their way.

The inmates have taken over the asylum. The republicans could end this by working with the Democrats, but their concept of power will not allow it

[Autumn]

21. If Fitzpatrick is a republican fuck him. I would trust a rattlesnake before I trust one of those.

You know they lie and can't be trusted.

[The Jungle 1]

23. The speaker will be a republican

A moderate republican would be good. Taking power away from the radical right would be GREAT

[Autumn]

24. They shit in their bed they can fucking lay in it. Democrats need to just sit back and

enjoy the show. Anyone who votes for a republican in any way shape or form can fuck off. The only good moderate Republican is a dead one.

[The Jungle 1]

37. This is how the show ends...

The republicans give in to all the radical rights demands!

[Autumn]

54. And they will lose their asses in the next election.

[H2O Man]

22. no

[apcalc]

25. Pick a moderate Dem to get Republican votes.

[Wounded Bear]

84. Rep Jeffries is a "moderate Democrat"...

[Doc Sportello]

26. It's worth considering

I actually read the article and what Fitzpatrick has done in his ability to work with Democrats. As it stated, many of the policy goals we Democrats (most of us anyway) support aren't embraced by a majority of the voters so taking stances like the person they work with from the other party must pass a litmus test is a non-starter for any type of legislative success.

Biden has shown that some bipartisan legislation is possible, although that is unlikely with repubs in charge of the House. But we still need to do the bare minimum of governing, meaning pass funding bills in the House. Yes, repubs lie and are awful, etc. But having a repub leader who is willing to work with Democrats as Fitzpatrick has shown would be a lot better in my mind than a speaker who is beholden to the crazies.

[onenote]

41. Name the other Republicans that would join all Democrats to back Fitzpatrick?

And why would anyone think all of the Democrats would go along with this plan?

[Doc Sportello]

53. Sorry I don't take orders from you

So there will be no naming of anyone. Hope you can get over it.

I think the Democrats are unified and would go along with a plan that would get the government working - on their terms. Biden works with repubs, so I guess you are adamantly opposed to his doing so, correct?

[onenote]

57. In other words, you can't back up your proposal

Here's a reality check: Nine republican members of Congress voted for the 1.7 trillion budget package. Of those nine, seven are not in the 118th Congress, having decided to retire or having been successfully primaried.

Fitzpatrick is one of the two remaining repubs who voted for the budget. The other is Womack of Arkansas, who is hardly a "moderate" (he voted to acquit Trump twice).

The republicans are acutely aware of what happened to their colleagues that broke from the rw orthodoxy. The idea that they would jump ship to support Fitzpatrick ignores that reality.

And I have no problem with Biden working with republicans when necessary for success. But you're mistaken to think that Biden regularly comprises with the foam at the mouth republicans -- and particularly with any House republicans.

[The Jungle 1]

75. Without intervention we enabling the radical right to collect more power!

[CoopersDad]

28. I don't want a moderate R as speaker.

A crazy R in that role would do more long-term damage to their party than a moderate.

A crazy won't have support of Ds and also not have full support of Rs and would do further damage to their side.

A moderate would mean more crappy business as usual and that's unacceptable.

[moonscape]

55. But maybe they wouldn't allow the shutdown of

the govt in the Fall.

[lark]

29. It doesn't really matter much.

Repugs are anti women, anti the American worker and the poor, anti Democracy and very pro fascism and oligarchs. None of them should get even 1 Dem vote. Let them continue to eat themselves without one bit of help from us.

[Bucky]

30. Yesterday I would have said no way.

At this point you'd only need to find five Republicans willing to sign on to that deal. I would hope that an extraordinary rescue like that would come with them reasonable market price, such as agreeing to the next couple of debt ceiling hikes

[Algernon Moncrieff]

39. I pointed out what happened in Ohio yesterday

Dems supported a moderate Republican over a hardliner in the Ohio state house.

I'd agree to it - on some conditions - including clean debt ceiling increase through 2/25, no show-trial hearings for Fauci, J 6 committee members, and Santos doesn't get seated until his mess is resolved, and the 20 rebellious hardliners are stripped of committee assignments.

[Emile]

31. No such thing as a moderate republican!

[Poiuyt]

33. I heard Fred Upton's name being floated as a compromise

[Mr.Bill]

59. How about the guy who has gotten 212 votes on every ballot

for a compromise?

[Johnny2X2X]

34. If McCarthy withdraws it will be chaos

That’s when the Dems should throw them a life line. We cannot allow the radicals to win. Boebert and Ginni Thomas should not get to pick a speaker as they’ll pick someone who wants chaos in Washington that will harm the country.

[The Jungle 1]

38. I fear the repukes will give the radical right anything they want to get this done.

This is politics and we need to play our hand.

[mercuryblues]

35. I wish people would stop posting this shit

NONONONONONONONONO

just NO

Democrats should force republikkklans clean up their own fucking mess. McCarthy and trump built this FFS. Both of them support the coup attempt, why shold Dems clean up the huge pile of elephant dung? None of them can be trusted

[The Jungle 1]

40. The question is do you want America to move forward.

Giving the radical right more power is a bad bad bad bad bad bad bad idea for America.

[mercuryblues]

70. McCarthy is part of the radical right.

Dems tried making a deal in the past with him and he stabbed him in the back. He has covered and offered protection to the coup plotters. This is entirely his mess. Too fucking bad. He will either win or withdraw his name. He has choices and one of them is NOT Dems making a deal with him. FFS.

He has shown he would not honor a deal with Dems. The republican party is batshit crazy.

I hope he makes a deal with the 20 and then screws them the same way he has screwed democrats.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

42. Because as ugly as it is, the nation needs governance

If the hardliners win this fight, they will simply refuse to pass a debt ceiling increase in September and let the nation default on its debt. The economic ramifications of that are staggering, and they don't care because they want to collapse the current government.

[brooklynite]

36. Point 1: there basically aren't any Moderate Republicans left...

Just more sane “establishment” conservatives.

Point 2: you’d need to come to agreement with them about the policy goals for the new coalition. What are you thinking of?

[The Jungle 1]

43. Read the article I posted above.

He is from my district. My district is a Democratic majority. But he keeps winning.
It is easy to say he only votes ney on republican bills he knows will pass but that is not the case.
Having a moderate would be very valuable to us.

[brooklynite]

50. Not the point...

To reach a deal with a segment of the Republicans, you'd need to agree with them on what policies would be addressed and how. I can't think of any deal that people here would support.

[The Jungle 1]

56. The deal would be...

A lot of power would be removed from the radical right. That is a big deal! Presently McCarthy is making one concession after the other. It is time to step on trump and finish him and his power.
Shuting bobert's pie hole is also worth it.
There is going to be a repuke Speaker. That is just a fact.
The question is are you going to say no to free pie???

I know this is a huge long shot. But so was the infrastructure bill.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

63. It would be more of an agreement on what policies wouldn't be implemented

They can't really pass meaningful policy in any area except one - they can fail to pass a budget or increase the debt ceiling. That is the end game here - cause a catastrophic economic collapse in the hopes of at a minimum gutting the social safety net and in their dream scenario, establishing one-party rule. In the meantime, they will entertain Newsmax and Fox News viewers with Hunter Biden hearings, Fauci hearings, possibly Joe Biden impeachment hearings.

The thought of 6 or 8 (not sure which number is accurate) Republicans crossing the aisle to vote for Jeffries is not going to happen. Maybe another Dem - but not him.

...or, we can get someone with whom we have policy disagreements, but who believes in government as we know it.

David G. Valadao
maybe Dan Newhouse

maybe approach a non-House member, like Chuck Hagel or Larry Hogan

[onenote]

60. You don't get it. He's a unicorn

As I posted above. Nine republicans voted for the 1.7 trillion budget package. Seven of them decided to retire or were defeated in a primary.

Apart from Fitzpatrick, the only other repub to support the budget package was Womack of Arkansas, who isn't a moderate -- he voted against the Respect for Marriage bill and to acquit Trump. (Fitzpatrick also voted to acquit Trump)

And of the ten repubs that voted to convict Trump, only two are still in Congress, and both of them voted against the budget.

[Autumn]

73. He's no unicorn. He's a fucking republican election denier .

[48656c6c6f20]

48. 1 word answer. OhHellno

[Mr.Bill]

58. Democrats should vote for Jeffries, period.

Let the howling monkeys on the other side sort their own problems out. They created the problem, let them solve it. Do not help them.

And being "all in" on voting for a republican is not exactly how we roll here.

[dflprincess]

65. How about 6 moderate Republicans vote for Jeffries?

It's not the Democrats' job to bail the Republicans out of their mess.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

68. It's not the Republican's mess - it's America's mess.

So it is our job,

‘Moderate’ Republican Jason Stephens snatches Ohio House Speaker position in surprise upset

Moderately conservative Republican Jason Stephens, with the help of the Democratic Party, snatched the coveted Ohio House Speaker job Tuesday from a far-right lawmaker who was already elected speaker in a non-official party vote.

In the surprise upset, Stephens, R-Kitts Hill, who is allegedly pledging to stop far-right policies and act as a full moderate, is chosen as one of the most significant and influential leaders in the state.

.....

Stephens decided to fight, and he fought in collaboration with the Democrats.

“They needed our votes and we took the opportunity to make sure that we were going to be working with the speaker who we felt at the end of the day would work with us on the issues we could agree on,” Democratic Minority Leader​ Allison Russo said.

Minority Leader Allison Russo said her discussions with the Republican were productive and allowed her caucus to vote, all 32 of them, for Stephens. She mentioned they spoke about getting fair district maps — but most of the conversation was on priority bills, like education issues.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

66. NO! We've had to clean up their mess before, but this is not a "have to" case.

What good would it do to help elect a Republican Speaker? If they can't get together to do this simple job, they sure as hell won't come together to do the work of the people.

All we would gain is the blame for everything that happens in the House for the next two years.

[nini]

67. Hell no

this is their shitshow - no bailing them out.

[Ms. Toad]

69. A better path

Would be to find a handful of moderate Republicans who would agree to abstain from voting (to lower the majority threshhold) in exchange for membership and possibly leadership on House Committees. Then the Jeffries' plurality becomes a majority as long as all of the Democrats stick togehter..

[Torchlight]

71. Yesterday, Pelosi said exactly what I think.

"This is a problem of their own making. They should be able to work it out. Don't put this at the Democrats' doorstep.”

I think a moderate Republican will bring (or deny) the exact same to the table that the extremists would. I see the difference as just six of one and half a dozen of the other, the only real difference between the two being the packaging, the stagecraft, and the dog-whistles.

[durablend]

72. How about NO ?

[The Jungle 1]

74. Without intervention we enabling the radical right to collect more power!

[Emile]

80. Why do we keep seeing posts wanting Dems to give up?

[onenote]

85. And why do we keep seeing posts about "moderate" republicans?

There is no such thing anymore.
Check how Republicans voted last year. Budget package? Only 9 voted for it and 7 are gone from Congress. Trump impeachment: only ten voted for it and only two remain. One of the supposed moderates in that group voted against the Respect for Marriage bill.

McCarthy and his supporters have the same policy objectives -- don't be fooled into thinking otherwise. They all vote the same way when it comes down to it. They all want bullshit investigations. They all want to roll back the increase in IRS spending. They all want to "reform" (i.e., cut) Social Security. And on and on and on.

[The Jungle 1]

81. Gaetz's says he will quit if Democrats elect a moderate republican.

Wow now there is a huge benefit.

[ecstatic]

83. republicans cannot be trusted to keep their word

They will flip on their word in a millisecond and won't feel any guilt or remorse. Remember moscow-mitch / lying-lindsey and the Supreme Court debacle? Remember mccarthy on January 6, 2021? Those fuckers refused to stand up for the right thing even after their own lives were put in jeopardy.

The first step to defeating their fascist movement is to be fully aware and alert of what they're capable of. Sadly, we're still not there yet.