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sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:15 AM Jan 2023

Republicans can end this Speaker fiasco today

There have been several proposals that some Democrats crossover to end the stalemate in the House.

This ignores the fact there is a candidate for Speaker that has been consistently receiving 212 votes. A block of Republicans could change their votes and elect a Speaker.

The Republicans as a whole would still have a majority and would effectively neuter the faction holding them hostage. Also it would not require any concessions by them and show a willingness to work bipartisanly.

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Republicans can end this Speaker fiasco today (Original Post) sarisataka Jan 2023 OP
That would presume six Republicans willing to compromise and risk recall/primary defeat in 2024 DFW Jan 2023 #1
Everyone is saying this, but I think there have to be 6 Rs who were elected in Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #4
I tend to doubt it, and here is why DFW Jan 2023 #23
I hear you but again, in all those seats, we should still be seeing if that is true. Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #24
I am sure we are talking with anyone willing to talk with us. DFW Jan 2023 #28
Yes. I think it would have to be a process. And one likely begun by text Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #30
Yeah, that's about the only venue where both parties might feel safe DFW Jan 2023 #35
Not on day 4. So far, it's too early. jimfields33 Jan 2023 #18
This is a point too. What everyone is willing to do on day 4 may be very Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #26
Very good points. jimfields33 Jan 2023 #32
The dems should nominate & vote for Liz Cheney as Speaker. -nt CrispyQ Jan 2023 #2
Blecchh NoRethugFriends Jan 2023 #5
Why? themaguffin Jan 2023 #13
That would certainly stir things up a bit Zambero Jan 2023 #29
And MAGA heads would explode. CrispyQ Jan 2023 #31
And pigs could fly today. onenote Jan 2023 #3
Sad but true Buckeyeblue Jan 2023 #7
But why should Democrats give in? sarisataka Jan 2023 #11
Thank you for this post, much better than "let's find a moderate" Repub. CoopersDad Jan 2023 #6
There is more in common with 1856 sarisataka Jan 2023 #20
We have the high ground and the numbers. CoopersDad Jan 2023 #25
One question. After the last 12 years or so what on earth makes you think that republicans Autumn Jan 2023 #8
Not much sarisataka Jan 2023 #12
IMO it's trolling. Autumn Jan 2023 #14
And the Russians could end the war today also Walleye Jan 2023 #9
What was it Alice was supposed to do, sarisataka Jan 2023 #16
I think it was eight and possibly the caterpillar smoking Walleye Jan 2023 #17
. sarisataka Jan 2023 #19
Wake and bake! Walleye Jan 2023 #21
Olbermann agrees with you in a recent podcast. Hope22 Jan 2023 #10
That sounds better than a suggestion sarisataka Jan 2023 #36
They still want to investigate Hunter and the J6 committee. LiberalFighter Jan 2023 #15
Democrats have nothing to do with it. Srkdqltr Jan 2023 #22
Any repubs planning to retire should cross over ecstatic Jan 2023 #27
Repukes turn everything into a publicity stunt. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2023 #33
The only remaining non-Kevin votes are anti-Kevin hardliners... brooklynite Jan 2023 #34

DFW

(60,182 posts)
1. That would presume six Republicans willing to compromise and risk recall/primary defeat in 2024
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:19 AM
Jan 2023

I believe that to be six more than there are.

Scrivener7

(59,521 posts)
4. Everyone is saying this, but I think there have to be 6 Rs who were elected in
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:22 AM
Jan 2023

D districts this year. I hope at least we have someone secretly checking out the feasibility by speaking to those people to see if any of them are soft and convince-able.

DFW

(60,182 posts)
23. I tend to doubt it, and here is why
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 12:01 PM
Jan 2023

Anyone even vaguely matching that description was been eliminated from even reaching the nomination of the Republican Party for the House. They never had a chance in the last election because they weren't on the ballot in the last election. Therefore, no such people had even a ghost of a chance to be elected to the House this past year--and indeed, unless they are operating under deep cover, they were not.

Scrivener7

(59,521 posts)
24. I hear you but again, in all those seats, we should still be seeing if that is true.
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 12:08 PM
Jan 2023

I hope we are at least having conversations with reps not running for re-election and Rs from D districts.

DFW

(60,182 posts)
28. I am sure we are talking with anyone willing to talk with us.
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 12:21 PM
Jan 2023

Finding such individuals is the major stumbling block. The only reason AOC had no fear of being photographed talking to Paul Gosar is because no one has the slightest doubt of where she stands. A Republican crossing over to speak alone with anyone on our side would immediately become so suspect in the eyes of their caucus that they would probably demand an ankle bracelet for the next six months.

Scrivener7

(59,521 posts)
30. Yes. I think it would have to be a process. And one likely begun by text
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 12:27 PM
Jan 2023

and finished in underground parking lots.

DFW

(60,182 posts)
35. Yeah, that's about the only venue where both parties might feel safe
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 06:08 PM
Jan 2023

Bullet-proof vests mandatory, it goes without saying.......

Scrivener7

(59,521 posts)
26. This is a point too. What everyone is willing to do on day 4 may be very
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 12:09 PM
Jan 2023

different from what they are willing to do on day 10.

The longer they don't get their act together, the better the position of a few moderates to say stuff like, "We made the sacrifice for the good of the country" or some such.

When, of course, if they ever defected, they would do it because we gave them a boondoggle bridge for their district or something.

Zambero

(9,990 posts)
29. That would certainly stir things up a bit
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 12:24 PM
Jan 2023

A non-MAGA Republican running herd over the MAGATs. Not my choice for Speaker by any means, but if it is going to be a Republican, she would be vastly superior to the likes of McCarthy, Scalise, Stefanik, Jordan ad auseum.

CrispyQ

(40,969 posts)
31. And MAGA heads would explode.
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 12:54 PM
Jan 2023

And if she kept the J6 Committee going, MAGAs would incinerate.


A girl can dream.

onenote

(46,140 posts)
3. And pigs could fly today.
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:21 AM
Jan 2023

There are not six republicans who would support Jeffries for speaker. Not if the building was on fire and the only way out was to cast a vote for Jeffries.

Buckeyeblue

(6,352 posts)
7. Sad but true
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:30 AM
Jan 2023

And doing so for the greater good would go a long way in uniting the country.

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
11. But why should Democrats give in?
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:36 AM
Jan 2023

This is not our problem.

McCarthy is offering primae noctis of unborn descendants to a small group of extremists, but we see many posters saying some Democrats should support him or a moderate Republican for nothing.

I can guarantee if the situation was reversed you wouldn't see anyone suggest Republicans come to rescue Democrats.

CoopersDad

(3,332 posts)
6. Thank you for this post, much better than "let's find a moderate" Repub.
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:28 AM
Jan 2023

I hope some of our team are working with anyone not worried about running again, there are members across the aisle not interested in another term and not interested in supporting Kevin.

I like this idea so much more than suggestions that we cave.

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
20. There is more in common with 1856
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:54 AM
Jan 2023

Than many realize.

The Democratic party held 133 seats, Republicans 90 and Know-nothings 13. The Know-nothings were a Republican faction and eventually provided the Speaker. Both Republicans and Democrats had many internal factions so were far from united.

Today, Democrats again have a couple factions but all are united for the most part. Republicans, on the other hand, are more of a coalition operating under a single name. I doubt this is the end of the Republican Party but I can envision the formation of a new third party.

CoopersDad

(3,332 posts)
25. We have the high ground and the numbers.
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 12:09 PM
Jan 2023

Divide and conquer applies here, except that their side have done the dividing and there's no sign of it getting better for Kevin.

He's such a bullshitter, saying this morning that we'll be "shocked" by some news on the latest "deal".

Yeah, right.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
8. One question. After the last 12 years or so what on earth makes you think that republicans
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:31 AM
Jan 2023

would have a willingness to work bipartisanly?

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
12. Not much
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:38 AM
Jan 2023

But why do we see repeatedly posters saying Democrats should fix this Republican problem?

Hope22

(4,746 posts)
10. Olbermann agrees with you in a recent podcast.
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:33 AM
Jan 2023

If six R’s could bring home a few beans and neuter the resident insurrectionists it would be a win for all. This hostage situation Needs to go away!

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
36. That sounds better than a suggestion
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 07:07 PM
Jan 2023

I have seen today that Democrats should cross over so Republicans can end their rifts. I fail to see how a unified Republican party is beneficial to Democrats.

In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity

Sun-Tzu

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
15. They still want to investigate Hunter and the J6 committee.
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:41 AM
Jan 2023

I don't see any compromise by the Democrats unless that is taken off the table. Doubt Gym Jordan would go for it.

Srkdqltr

(9,759 posts)
22. Democrats have nothing to do with it.
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 12:00 PM
Jan 2023

Just wait them out. Anything dems do would make things worse.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
27. Any repubs planning to retire should cross over
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 12:11 PM
Jan 2023

What the hell do they have to lose? Life is too short, and republicans are clearly in disarray.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
34. The only remaining non-Kevin votes are anti-Kevin hardliners...
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 02:21 PM
Jan 2023

There aren't enough votes for a bi-partisan deal.

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