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This is murder? (Original Post) brettdale Jan 2023 OP
they wouldn't call it murder if cop did the same thing. BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Polybius Jan 2023 #9
comment on youtube: He didn't shoot him as he was leaving. That's false af. Based off the video, it BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #2
I agree. I would have been in fear of my life. Lochloosa Jan 2023 #3
I agree that it was not a crime! Nt USALiberal Jan 2023 #4
Not in Florida Fla_Democrat Jan 2023 #5
Guy is still pointing his gun at people in the vid. EX500rider Jan 2023 #6
Definitely not murder. boston bean Jan 2023 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Polybius Jan 2023 #8
Totally legitimate self defense. stumpysbear Jan 2023 #10
Nope looks like America at a Dennys any day of the week. 48656c6c6f20 Jan 2023 #11
After seeing the rest of the video, I can no longer side with the customer Polybius Jan 2023 #12
I have to agree sarisataka Jan 2023 #14
Yeah, it looks like he walked over and did a "coup de gras" way after the felon was down. Liberal In Texas Jan 2023 #18
The customer left before police arrived? Am I understand that right? Interesting. n/t Whiskeytide Jan 2023 #19
Voluntary manslaughter. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #13
Per Wikipedia: Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #17
The first shots are self-defense sarisataka Jan 2023 #15
I read somewhere that the gun was a fake gun. Not that customers would know, but ironic, eh? albacore Jan 2023 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Jan 2023 #20
Based on what is presented in the OP, I say not murder. NutmegYankee Jan 2023 #21
Watch the Twit whole video. He didn't need to do what he did. n/t Liberal In Texas Jan 2023 #22
From post 12? That's murder. NutmegYankee Jan 2023 #23
Taking out the trash. The Mouth Jan 2023 #24
The customer shot the armed robber until he was sure he wasn't a threat. SYFROYH Jan 2023 #25
I'm not sure it's murder but manslaughter? Catherine Vincent Jan 2023 #26
that guy could've shot up the entire place, think about that JuJuChen Jan 2023 #27

Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Reply #1)

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(8,188 posts)
2. comment on youtube: He didn't shoot him as he was leaving. That's false af. Based off the video, it
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 03:37 AM
Jan 2023

He didn't shoot him as he was leaving. That's false af. Based off the video, it doesn't look like the robber was leaving at all. The robber was still a threat and had his gun pointed at someone. That customer waited for the best and safest time to pull out his weapon so he could take care of the threat. That customer who fired his weapon better not get charged with a crime. He did exactly what he was suppose to do and he didn't break the law in any kind of way.

Lochloosa

(16,084 posts)
3. I agree. I would have been in fear of my life.
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 07:59 AM
Jan 2023

If he had been walking out the door, it might be different. He wasn't.

Response to brettdale (Original post)

Polybius

(15,533 posts)
12. After seeing the rest of the video, I can no longer side with the customer
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 04:11 PM
Jan 2023

I have deleted my previous posts in this thread.


sarisataka

(18,926 posts)
14. I have to agree
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 04:31 PM
Jan 2023

Originally I was going to say clear self-defense.

However as he continues to shoot after the robber is down, it becomes very questionable. There is no longer a threat although he maybe could claim heat of the moment.

The 3-4 second pause as he walks over and fires the final shot eliminates any defense. I would say 2nd degree murder.

Liberal In Texas

(13,615 posts)
18. Yeah, it looks like he walked over and did a "coup de gras" way after the felon was down.
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 07:04 PM
Jan 2023

That is murder.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
17. Per Wikipedia:
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 07:00 PM
Jan 2023
Voluntary manslaughter is the killing of a human being in which the offender acted during the heat of passion, under circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed to the point that they cannot reasonably control their emotions.

albacore

(2,408 posts)
16. I read somewhere that the gun was a fake gun. Not that customers would know, but ironic, eh?
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 05:36 PM
Jan 2023

And those last 4-5 shots..?
Murder/manslaughter.

Response to brettdale (Original post)

NutmegYankee

(16,207 posts)
21. Based on what is presented in the OP, I say not murder.
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 07:50 PM
Jan 2023

However, it sounds like there's more to the story.

NutmegYankee

(16,207 posts)
23. From post 12? That's murder.
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 08:15 PM
Jan 2023

The late shots could be debated by a lawyer claiming fear of the gunman being a danger but the coup de grâce seals the deal for murder.

The Mouth

(3,171 posts)
24. Taking out the trash.
Wed Jan 18, 2023, 02:47 PM
Jan 2023

Armed robbers take their lives into their own hands. I'd do exactly the same in such a situation, keep shooting until they stop moving and adrenaline would probably take over.

Using a firearm in *any* crime should be the death penalty or life in prison in solitary with NO chance of parole.

SYFROYH

(34,186 posts)
25. The customer shot the armed robber until he was sure he wasn't a threat.
Wed Jan 18, 2023, 03:00 PM
Jan 2023

As a jurist, it would be hard to know when he was completely incapacitated.

Police sometimes shoot until completely sure the threat is over.

Catherine Vincent

(34,491 posts)
26. I'm not sure it's murder but manslaughter?
Wed Jan 18, 2023, 03:43 PM
Jan 2023

It wasn't necessary to shoot the guy that many times. I think he knew he was wrong because he got out of there real quick. The right wing gun enthusiasts here are calling this guy a hero. I disagree completely.

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