I get that it was a rightwing shit show.

[newdayneeded]

But I think the Dems could have used it to our advantage. Back room secret talks with 10 of the most moderate repub members, decide on which one is moderate or easy to work with. Then have one of the other 10 nominate him. When their name is called those 10 plus the dems vote for and elect him/her.

This scenario would at least achieve some moderation in the house. I don't see it as us helping them, more like us helping america with turning our eyes away from the lunatics.

Who knows, maybe this secretly was tried or talked about.

[ismnotwasm]

1. No. The reason Mcarthy failed so much is because he wasn't shitty enough for them.

[Hotler]

17. Same with Liz Cheney, she wasn't a shitty enough person for that team. nt

[yardwork]

3. Is every member of DU going to ask this question?

[femmedem]

10. This is a discussion board. People shouldn't be derided for starting a discussion.

If you aren't interested in a thread's subject, you don't have to open it and comment.
Or if you disagree with the OP's premise, how about saying why with logic instead of snark?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

19. Aww, the Democratic bashers are getting derided...

Maybe they shouldn't start discussions about how the Democrats failed on a board that has a rule about not bashing Democrats.

[femmedem]

21. The OP did not bash Democrats.

IMO, there's a vast difference between suggesting alternate strategies/wondering why a different strategy wasn't used and bashing.

From DU's terms of service:

Don't bash Democratic public figures

Do not post disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks against any Democratic public figures. Do not post anything that could be construed as bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for any Democratic general election candidate, and do not compare any Democratic general election candidate unfavorably to their general election opponent(s).

Why we have this rule: Our forum members support and admire a wide variety of Democratic politicians and public figures. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but our members don't expect to see Democrats viciously denigrated on this website. This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders).

(Bold added.)

[yardwork]

22. A quick scan of the boards shows that the question has been asked and answered dozens of times.

This morning the internet is full of the right wing talking point that somehow this is a defeat for Democrats.

Members of a Democratic discussion board have some responsibilities, and one of them is to avoid amplifying right wing talking points, intentionally or not.

As a member of this discussion board, I too have the right to ask a question, which I did.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

23. Constructive criticism can affect change

Whining that something wasn’t done after it is complete isn’t constructive.

[samnsara]

4. we need to invest in popcorn stock now as the shit show is just beginning.....

....hell, they will oust kevin in no time.

[Genki Hikari]

26. You're going to lose that bet

If the r thugs can't get their act together enough to vote FOR him, what makes you think they'll get it together enough to vote AGAINST him?

Think about it.

[Generic Brad]

5. Ten moderate Republicans?

I think it would be easier to locate Bigfoot, a unicorn, a leprechaun, a chupacabra, an ET, an elf, a cyclops, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and a Comcast Customer Service Agent who doesn't try to upsell you and cut a deal with them than it would be to find 10 moderate Republicans willing to compromise.

[samnsara]

6. i think it was important to illustrate what a failure keven is and will be

[Hope22]

7. It would be interesting to know what went on.

I feel like Nancy would have suggested turning every stone. It is possible that every member wanted to hang on to their paychecks instead of thinking about the damage this fiasco was doing to the country. Crazy how 20 People can bring down 400. Pretty depressing!

[Omnipresent]

20. Nancy, like all of the democrats in the house probably felt...

That Republicans left to their own thinking, would anchor down McCarthy with their rediculous demands. Thereby making them less electable in 2024.

[Emile]

8. How many of these posts about make believe

Republican moderates do we have to see?

[durablend]

14. + infinity

[liberal N proud]

11. You think that there are 10 republicans that would work with Democrats

It is only Democrats that will cross the isle.

Republicans will go down with the ship before appearing to be bipartisan

[edhopper]

12. What 10 moderate Repubs?

[durablend]

13. Does this shit ever stop?

[Walleye]

15. The Republicans had to have a threat of violence on the floor to resolve this

I know it was a mere scuffle that broke out. But they were a few who were ready to do violence and will be in the future

[onenote]

16. Please identify 10 "moderate" Republicans that don't share McCarthy's agenda

The idea that there are moderate republicans who would have abandoned McCarthy to support someone who could only be elected speaker with the support of 200+ Democrats is magical thinking in the extreme.

[TigressDem]

18. A weak reTHUG is better for DEMs because WE ARE SOLID in OUR GOALS

EVERY TIME we can show up with a plan and point out the crazy circus NOT HAVING A PLAN.

EVERYONE SAW and now KNOWS that the DEMS WORK TOGETHER to PEACEFULLY transfer power.

With a solid 212 we can block their illegal attempts over and over and over again.

THIS WAY they OWN their ineptitude.

NOW did Jefferies give a solid A-Z spank to the incoming Waldos in search of themselves?
YES he did.





WILL WE KEEP SPANKING THEM WHEN THEY DO WRONG?
YES WE WILL.
THEY ARE THE PARTY THAT ONLY LEARNS WHEN SLAPPED WITH THE TRUTH
over and over and over and over again....

[Xoan]

24. Stay tuned ...

Dems gonna be kicking some STUPID.

[Genki Hikari]

25. The naivete of that is breathtaking

You cannot trust r thugs. Not for one second. Any promises they make to Democrats are writ on water--they are useless, because they never have any intention of keeping them.

The first lesson of any decent person's life should always be: Never trust the utter scum that is an r thug. They are all liars and cheats and thieves.

NO EXCEPTIONS.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. In retrospect, wonder what really happened. David Axlerod

Said on CNN that there were a group of Dems who wanted to work with McCarthy in some way to stop the gang of 20 highjack. But it was McCarthy who refused to work with Dems. Your idea was to leave McCarthy out of it, which sounds better. Agree a GOP shitshow but would be interesting to understand the machinations on our side.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

28. To my mind the Democrats in the House appear to have the wisest and deepest leadership team

in the history of the republic.

But people on “the internet” presume to know better than our outstanding leadership how to deal with the machinations of Congress.