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gab13by13

(32,324 posts)
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 10:26 PM Jan 2023

Is George Santos A US Citizen?

Holy shit how hard is it to find out? If he was born in NY he worked in Brazil for many years, so did he have a passport? How hard is it to find that out?

I understand that he is being investigated but investigations into Republicans take a very long time.

If Santos was naturalized it takes 7 years before he can run for office.

Holy hell, president Barack Obama produced his legal birth certificate and his long form birth certificate, where is the clamor to see Santos' proof of citizenship? Are any members of the Democratic party asking to see his bc?

https://cis.org/North/CongressmanElect-George-Santos-RNY-US-Citizen

If Santos is not eligible for office then his vote for Kevin doesn't count.

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Is George Santos A US Citizen? (Original Post) gab13by13 Jan 2023 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #1
It is extremely frustrating, gab13by13 Jan 2023 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #5
There are at least 3 investigations going on. If he is legal to run, I am sure Bev54 Jan 2023 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #20
I said if he is legal they will not tell you they were investigating that. Bev54 Jan 2023 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #26
If he is a citizen, no one is obliged to tell you anything. nt. reACTIONary Jan 2023 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #33
Law enforcement is not obliged to... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #46
G'bye nt reACTIONary Jan 2023 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #23
+100 !! If he wasn't a citizen, he would be ... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #27
It's already been done. He is being ... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #34
Need to see this fucker's birth ctf montanacowboy Jan 2023 #2
IDK, click on my link, gab13by13 Jan 2023 #4
+100 !!! reACTIONary Jan 2023 #25
What makes you think it hasn't been done? He is... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #24
Most naturalized people would gladly tell you when and where they were naturalized dalton99a Jan 2023 #6
If he was naturalized gab13by13 Jan 2023 #7
story is born in US, went to Brazil to live BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #40
If he did, would you believe him? He has already... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #21
Don't worry, the Birthers will get right on this. NBachers Jan 2023 #8
I live among them in central Pa. gab13by13 Jan 2023 #9
yet Trump has similar birth history.. one parent born in US, one parent born outside US BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #41
Yes, as you say Quakerfriend Jan 2023 #10
I saw that and wondered if it was caught. gab13by13 Jan 2023 #11
It isn't hard at all.... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #19
Do you mean Tony Devolder? Botany Jan 2023 #12
He has several names that I saw in the link I posted. gab13by13 Jan 2023 #14
When his name was called, it took him awhile to respond Rhiannon12866 Jan 2023 #17
The unexplained money is nice. Kid Berwyn Jan 2023 #55
That man "Tony Devolder" is a Russian asset* sent here in nothing short of an attack on America ... Botany Jan 2023 #56
This is why waiting is bad. gab13by13 Jan 2023 #13
His passport would be a start. mn9driver Jan 2023 #15
Of course he is.... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #18
Enough! Got it the first three times. OMGWTF Jan 2023 #36
Doesnt he have a sister who would know this? Friends, other relatives? Deuxcents Jan 2023 #29
No need. He is already... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #31
Spamming is shitty Arazi Jan 2023 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #42
In my humble opinion, this whole thread is spam. nt. reACTIONary Jan 2023 #43
However... jmowreader Jan 2023 #32
Yay! Birtheristas! Iggo Jan 2023 #35
Yep. +100. Nt. reACTIONary Jan 2023 #49
Liars and con men deserve close scrutiny and must never be given the benefit of the doubt. dalton99a Jan 2023 #38
He did. He said he was born in the US. Nt. reACTIONary Jan 2023 #50
Santos is a liar and a fraud. You didn't know that? dalton99a Jan 2023 #52
You asked... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #58
Where is this idiot's birth certificate? LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #39
Do we demand birth certificates from every member of congress onenote Jan 2023 #44
+100 ... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #47
Obama did not have a history of lying and fraud. dalton99a Jan 2023 #51
a history of lying and fraud doesn't create probable cause for a federal investigation onenote Jan 2023 #53
as the song goes...born in the usa.....all he fricken needs dembotoz Jan 2023 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #59
Is Santos his real name? Emile Jan 2023 #60
He didn't seem to respond to it on the House floor when they were voting. Vinca Jan 2023 #61

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

gab13by13

(32,324 posts)
3. It is extremely frustrating,
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 10:38 PM
Jan 2023

I just heard Barbara McQuade say that Santos is a national security threat just because he has been caught lying so many times about himself.

The freaking republican party bitched about Obama being a citizen for 8 years and when he produced the documentation they called it a forgery.

Simple questions;
1. Produce a birth certificate
2. Produce proof of naturalization.

The wait and see crowd goes to bed early but if they were around I'm sure that they would be saying to relax, he is being investigated.

Response to gab13by13 (Reply #3)

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
16. There are at least 3 investigations going on. If he is legal to run, I am sure
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 12:47 AM
Jan 2023

they are not going to come out and tell everyone just because the public is curious. We will only learn through indictments or court hearings what they find.

Response to Bev54 (Reply #16)

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
22. I said if he is legal they will not tell you they were investigating that.
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 12:57 AM
Jan 2023

They will only tell us illegal activities through court hearing or indictments.

Response to Bev54 (Reply #22)

Response to reACTIONary (Reply #30)

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
45. Law enforcement is not obliged to...
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 10:28 AM
Jan 2023

... tell you anything about their investigation, especially if it does not turn up any evidence of a crime. You know, like grand jury proceedings being secret. That's basically the way it should be.

As far as what a politician owes to the public, that's up to those who are voting for or against him. Personally, I wouldn't vote for this guy no matter what he said or didn't say.

Response to reACTIONary (Reply #45)

Response to Chin music (Reply #20)

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
27. +100 !! If he wasn't a citizen, he would be ...
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 01:02 AM
Jan 2023

... in an ICE detention facility right now.

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
28. It's already been done. He is being ...
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 01:05 AM
Jan 2023

.... investigated by several law enforcement agencies. They have access to all of the official records. Birth records. Passport and visa. Immigration and naturalization.

If he wasn't a citizen he would be in a ICE detention center right now awaiting deportation.

Response to reACTIONary (Reply #28)

montanacowboy

(6,714 posts)
2. Need to see this fucker's birth ctf
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 10:36 PM
Jan 2023

how hard is that to do? why isn't someone doing it? Democrats???????????

gab13by13

(32,324 posts)
4. IDK, click on my link,
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 10:40 PM
Jan 2023

it's from Daily Kos. I guess it's hard to find out if someone has a bc in NY, but it shouldn't be hard for law enforcement. If he was born in the US then when he went to work in Brazil he would have to have a US passport.

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
24. What makes you think it hasn't been done? He is...
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 12:58 AM
Jan 2023

... being investigated by several law enforcement agencies. They have access to all of the official records. Birth records. Passport and visa. Immigration and naturalization.

If he wasn't a citizen he would be in a ICE detention center right now awaiting deportation.

dalton99a

(94,129 posts)
6. Most naturalized people would gladly tell you when and where they were naturalized
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 10:41 PM
Jan 2023

His silence is telling.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,250 posts)
40. story is born in US, went to Brazil to live
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 05:05 AM
Jan 2023

not sure what's true though. he does have the accent of someone raised in US

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
21. If he did, would you believe him? He has already...
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 12:56 AM
Jan 2023

... said he was born in the united states, and no one in authority has disputed that. He is being investigated by several law enforcement agencies. They have access to all of the official records. Birth records. Passport and visa. Immigration and naturalization.

If he wasn't a citizen he would be in a ICE detention center right now awaiting deportation.

gab13by13

(32,324 posts)
9. I live among them in central Pa.
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 10:47 PM
Jan 2023

One of the Birthers put up a huge billboard in his yard beside the highway, it said, Where's your Birth certificate. After Obama produced both his legal one and his long form one they changed the billboard a little to Where's the Real birth certificate.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,250 posts)
41. yet Trump has similar birth history.. one parent born in US, one parent born outside US
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 05:07 AM
Jan 2023

but MAGAs consider Trump to be all American.

Quakerfriend

(5,882 posts)
10. Yes, as you say
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 10:48 PM
Jan 2023

How hard is it to find out??

I’m feeling more and more disheartened by the lack of reasonably swift action on all the criminality.

And, this fraud giving the white power sign

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
19. It isn't hard at all....
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 12:52 AM
Jan 2023

.... He is being investigated by several law enforcement agencies. They have access to all of the official records. Birth records. Passport and visa applications, and issuances. Immigration and naturalization.

If he wasn't a citizen he would be in a ICE detention center right now awaiting deportation.

Botany

(77,324 posts)
12. Do you mean Tony Devolder?
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 10:54 PM
Jan 2023

I smell Russian "troll bomb" all over him. I hope the DoJ gets him ASAP and helps to
extradite back to Brazil to face charges on what he did there.

Rhiannon12866

(255,538 posts)
17. When his name was called, it took him awhile to respond
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 12:48 AM
Jan 2023

Is George Santos is real name, and if not, what is it? And is he a citizen? He's already lied about pretty much everything...

Kid Berwyn

(24,395 posts)
55. The unexplained money is nice.
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 11:35 AM
Jan 2023

Russian Oligarch’s Cousin Funneled Cash to N.Y. Politician

FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE

Andrew Intrater, money manager to Russian Viktor Vekselberg, gave $56,100 to committees tied to Rep.-elect George Devolder-Santos, who called Ukraine “totalitarian.”


https://www.thedailybeast.com/republican-george-devolder-santos-got-cash-from-andrew-intrater-cousin-of-russian-oligarch-viktor-vekselberg

Botany

(77,324 posts)
56. That man "Tony Devolder" is a Russian asset* sent here in nothing short of an attack on America ...
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 11:49 AM
Jan 2023

... he should be picked up .... from the floor of the House would be nice ... brought in for hard questioning
by the CIA/FBI/NSA and then extradited to Brazil to face trial for his crimes there. We let Russia get away
with installing Trump enough is enough.


* I think.

gab13by13

(32,324 posts)
13. This is why waiting is bad.
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 10:55 PM
Jan 2023

if it is found out that Santos is not a US citizen, it should have been found out before he voted for Kevin.

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
18. Of course he is....
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 12:49 AM
Jan 2023

... He is being investigated by several law enforcement agencies. They have access to all of the official records. Birth records. Passport and visa applications, and issuances. Immigration and naturalization.

If he wasn't a citizen he would be in a ICE detention center right now awaiting deportation.

Deuxcents

(26,918 posts)
29. Doesnt he have a sister who would know this? Friends, other relatives?
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 01:05 AM
Jan 2023

All the tech sleuthing should be able to take up this challenge

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
31. No need. He is already...
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 01:12 AM
Jan 2023

... being investigated by several law enforcement agencies. They have access to all of the official records. Birth records. Passport and visa. Immigration and naturalization.

If he wasn't a citizen he would be in a ICE detention center right now awaiting deportation.

Response to Arazi (Reply #37)

jmowreader

(53,194 posts)
32. However...
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 01:12 AM
Jan 2023

If he isn’t a citizen, not only does it negate his vote but it reduces the number of votes Kevin needed by one. So it’s still okay.

dalton99a

(94,129 posts)
38. Liars and con men deserve close scrutiny and must never be given the benefit of the doubt.
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 03:30 AM
Jan 2023

What prevents him from answering these basic questions:

"Are you a U.S. citizen? When did you get naturalized?"


dalton99a

(94,129 posts)
52. Santos is a liar and a fraud. You didn't know that?
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 10:55 AM
Jan 2023

You're ok with some unknown guy sitting in Congress collecting a federal paycheck and voting on legislation?


reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
57. You asked...
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 01:54 PM
Jan 2023

... "What prevents him from answering these basic questions: "Are you a U.S. citizen? When did you get naturalized?"

And after finding out that he did answer them, you decide not to believe him? Well, OK, but then why did you want him to make a statement the first place?

Response to dalton99a (Reply #52)

onenote

(46,142 posts)
44. Do we demand birth certificates from every member of congress
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 10:25 AM
Jan 2023

People are suggesting the FBI should be investigating his citizenship. Based on internet speculation?

There are plenty of lies for which there is actual evidence. Some of the posts in this thread read like Freeper posts during the Obama years.

onenote

(46,142 posts)
53. a history of lying and fraud doesn't create probable cause for a federal investigation
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 11:13 AM
Jan 2023

of anything and everything, especially when no charges have been brought with respect to the lies as yet.

Response to dembotoz (Reply #54)

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