I have a question for the group...

[PCIntern]

Well, it’s a lengthy statement, and then a question, but you get my drift.

We have been apprised, read about, heard about, watched television about, and consumed hundreds if not, thousands of fictional or semi fictional accounts of clandestine operations, run by the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, the defense establishment, and other organizations whose letters escape me right now. On top of everything else, the resources ,the technology, the access to information, these organizations are filled with brilliant people – the three people whom I knew in my lifetime who went into this type of government service were among the most brilliant people I have ever met. They were recruited, and have been in government service for their my entire adult lives.

So here’s the question: do you mean to tell me that these agencies who possess enormous resources and power are just going to sit around and let a bunch of miscreant tinhorn revolutionaries undo that which they have created since the second world war? There is absolutely no action which is off-limits for these people and the agencies to which they belong, particularly here in the United States. I myself am a law-abiding patriotic citizen, but even if I were not the last people I would want to go up against would be this crowd, because there is no negotiation with them once they have decided that you are going to be a thing of the past. I get it, but I just don’t get it.

[TheBlackAdder]

1. Like Ukraine exposes Russia's military, MAGA & Seditionists test US Law & Intel Communities.

[bucolic_frolic]

2. Secrecy is a license to operate behind closed doors

It serves the public and national security, it serves the operatives. So many go into private contracting work when they retire, or publish Washington insider newsletters.

You assume the security apparatus is the largest, most dominant, and universally respected entity in the world. Surely it is not, and it must deal with other interests, public and private.

So maybe it's more symbiotic than constabulary?

[KarenS]

3. I am the child of a military man.

I always thought and was taught that this country was well guarded and well taken care of,,,, September 11th quashed that for me,,,, then Bush and his band of war-mongers happened,,, then Trump from the beginning through January 6th and forward,,,, Are you kidding me??!!?? Now we find out that our agencies have been compromised and infiltrated.

[Tetrachloride]

4. There's a substantial yes to the answer.

There is a significant no. But the minimum quality of the no is a lot smaller than the minimum size of the yes.

[gibraltar72]

5. Funny you should mention that

Watched a flick last night called House on 92nd street last night. It was about how FBI broke German Nazi spy ring before and after war started. Used real footage and people from FBI except a few actors. I was amazed what power people and technology they had available to them at that period in time. Looked so much different from behind the scenes.

[old as dirt]

6. Good Will Hunting 'NSA' (HD) - Matt Damon MIRAMAX

[gab13by13]

7. Do you get it?

Saying that the 2020 election was rigged, the Big Lie is also ridiculous, but it was the cornerstone behind the attempted coup.

The investigations by Magats into the investigators is not designed to find shocking conspiracies, they will find none. It is the investigations themselves that are the point.

Karl Rove's very first campaign for a politician was a very tight race and so he called in a favor and got someone from the FBI to show up at his opponents house. The FBI had no grounds to visit his opponents house but Rove blasted the story all over the air waves that his opponent was visited by the FBI. Rove's tactic worked, his man was elected.

Something that really scares me is the failure to see the importance of controlling the narrative. Can this new Church-like Magat committee control the narrative? With our MSM being controlled by right wing fascists, of course it can.

[Beastly Boy]

8. I don't know who is telling you that the agencies you are referring to are sitting around and

letting things slide. There is no evidence for this. We keep forgetting that those agencies, because they are so powerful, have been made, for very good reasons, to meticulously follow a whole bunch of laws and rules that are designed to minimize the abuses of their resources and power that these agencies may be tempted to exercise. They must, by law, cross all the T's and dot all the I's before they can proceed. And that, for a very good reason, slows the process down. To an incidental observer it may seem like sitting around, but rest assured, things are moving along.

And yes, there is a limit to the actions of these agencies. Those limits are constantly challenged by the powerful agencies you mentioned, which usually leads to more rules and laws, the laws that are usually created with good intentions and are aimed at protecting the innocent, but they slow down the process. Sadly, it's always a compromise that never ends in a perfect system, but, like representative democracy itself, there is no system that proved to be better than ours.

[PCIntern]

9. I didn't say that...

I’m saying that it is dangerous in my opinion to attack these agencies.

[gab13by13]

11. You are right to be concerned PC

The new Magat party has an agenda, to tear down our institutions and attacking them with hearings is a huge first step. The MSM is owned and managed by domestic oligarchs and it will control the narrative.

If I watched cable news (other than Nicolle) I can just imagine the questions that cable news anchors will be asking.

As I said, the point of the Church-like committee isn't to actually find stunning corruption, the point is to control the narrative that there is corruption because of the investigation itself.

[fightforfreedom]

13. Lol. It happens to me all the time. Some people get peoples posts completely wrong.

Your post was clear to me and I agree.

[Beastly Boy]

15. It's dangerous to attack them, yes.

All the more reason, despite the dangers, to continue reforming them. And that is a process, probably without end, not an event.

[fightforfreedom]

10. I have been trying to convince some people J6 was unprecedented.

The shit is going to hit the fan. People are going down.

People could list every example in our history where nothing happened, justice was not served and I would not fucking care. It means nothing.

This is completely different from anything that has happened in our history. We witnessed the crimes. The entire nation witnessed the crimes. We have seen the overwhelming evidence. It's like we have a video of OJ cutting his wife's throat. It's just a matter of time before the coup plotters are brought to justice.

[gab13by13]

12. Who here has said that J6 was not unprecedented?

[fightforfreedom]

14. People are treating it that way.

By comparing it to past events. Nothing is going to happen, look what happened in the past, nothing happened. They should have been all indicted by now. That proves no one will be indicted. Lucys football. I have given up, I have no faith in our justice system. I have lost all hope.

Garland has failed, he is an institutionalist so he won't indict the people at the top. Garland should have done this, done that, at this time, in this order. This proves he is doing nothing. He will never indict.

It is sad how many people here have given up all hope because things are not happening as quickly as they want. Wait till the investigations are over before you give up.

Wait till the investigations are over and IF there are no indictments. I will join you in giving up, losing all hope. Until then I will believe the DOJ is going to do their job.

[former9thward]

16. Yes, they have great power.

They proved that in 1963. After the Bay of Pigs disaster JFK wanted to break up or at least radically reorganize the CIA. John F. Kennedy famously described his desire to “splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds” after the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba.

https://www.nytimes.com/1966/04/25/archives/cia-maker-of-policy-or-tool-survey-finds-widely-feared-agency-is.html

They took their revenge.

https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/jfk/jfk00020.pdf

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/94755_V.pdf