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dalton99a

(94,051 posts)
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 10:05 AM Jan 2023

More than 1,200 people have been detained in Brazil

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-jair-bolsonaro-politics-brazil-government-8766c0ad2fcc4ae7c8bf1aa7f9aaa0ec

Brazil authorities seek to punish pro-Bolsonaro rioters
By DAVID BILLER

...

Rioters donning the green and yellow of the national flag on Sunday broke windows, toppled furniture, hurled computers and printers to the ground. They punctured a massive Emiliano Di Cavalcanti painting in five places, overturned the U-shaped table at which Supreme Court justices convene, ripped a door off one justice’s office and vandalized an iconic statue outside the court. The monumental buildings’ interiors were left in states of ruin.

Authorities made a point to show that they were moving to prevent further attacks on Brazil’s democratic rule of law.

In a news conference late Sunday, Brazil’s minister of institutional relations said the buildings would be inspected for evidence including fingerprints and images to hold people to account, and that the rioters apparently intended to spark similar such actions nationwide. Justice Minister Flávio Dino said the acts amounted to terrorism and coup-mongering and that police have begun tracking those who paid for the buses that transported protesters to the capital.

So far, more than 1,200 people have been detained, the justice ministry’s press office said Monday. But police were noticeably slow to react - even after the arrival of more than 100 busses - leading many to ponder whether authorities had either simply ignored numerous warnings, underestimated the protesters’ strength or had been somehow complicit.

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https://theweek.com/brazil/1019908/brazils-supreme-court-removes-brasilia-governor-for-failing-to-prevent-capital-riot

Brazil's Supreme Court removes Brasilia governor for failing to prevent capital riot
Peter Weber
January 8, 2023

...

Brasilia Gov. Ibaneis Rocha was "painfully silent" during Sunday's riot, Moraes said after handing down the three-month suspension. Rocha "not only made public statements defending a false 'free political demonstration in Brasilia,'" but "also ignored all appeals by the authorities to carry out a security plan."

Brazilian federal prosecutors asked the Supreme Court to issue an arrest warrant for Federal District Public Security head Anderson Torres and "other public agents responsible for acts and omissions" leading to the breach. Rocha appointed Torres, a justice minister in Bolsonaro's Cabinet, to the position and fired him after Sunday's riot. "Local media reported that Torres is currently in the U.S.," The Associated Press reports.

It isn't clear yet how the throng of Bolsonaro supporters was able to march five miles unimpeded to the plaza housing Congress, the Supreme Court, and the presidential palace, then enter the buildings and vandalize them, BBC News reports. The presidential palace, for example, has an army brigade stationed permanently inside.

"Brazilian authorities had two years to learn the lessons from the (U.S.) Capitol invasion and to prepare themselves for something similar in Brazil," Maurício Santoro, political science professor at the State University of Rio de Janeiro, told AP. "Local security forces in Brasilia failed in a systematic way to prevent and to respond to extremist actions in the city. And the new federal authorities, such as the ministers of justice and of defense, were not able to act in a decisive way."


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More than 1,200 people have been detained in Brazil (Original Post) dalton99a Jan 2023 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author The Unmitigated Gall Jan 2023 #1
No political fear dictating justice there iemanja Jan 2023 #2
+++ agree. too bad the #1 country in the world for democracy didn't do the same thing. n/t iluvtennis Jan 2023 #15
Please explain who here "fears" criminal justice? brooklynite Jan 2023 #18
Brazil has already arrested hundreds of the rioters iemanja Jan 2023 #31
Was the Brazil Congress in session? No. brooklynite Jan 2023 #32
Your claim is that certification couldn't take place iemanja Jan 2023 #37
Every single person that broke into our capital should have been in jail that day. Instead they doc03 Jan 2023 #3
Absofuckingloutely! SheltieLover Jan 2023 #12
Well, its not likely there was anything going on in Congress that couldn't be put off, right? brooklynite Jan 2023 #19
The cops held the doors open as they were escorted doc03 Jan 2023 #35
So you've zip tied each one securely... brooklynite Jan 2023 #36
Wondering if police let them take the buildings so they were easier to corral MaryMagdaline Jan 2023 #4
There's reason to believe local (right-wing) authorities colluded with whoever organized this peppertree Jan 2023 #9
Good summary. Thank you! MaryMagdaline Jan 2023 #33
You're very welcome peppertree Jan 2023 #34
Imagine that. Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #5
feel uneasy when the police round up lots of protesters ...thinking iran, russia hong kong dembotoz Jan 2023 #6
They're trying to identify the plotters and financiers dalton99a Jan 2023 #7
Sonewhere between Moscow & Mar-a-Lardo. SheltieLover Jan 2023 #16
Law enforcement, military folks complicit by inaction. Not all but too many Bolsonaro... machoneman Jan 2023 #8
Who will be surprised orangecrush Jan 2023 #10
Did Brazil's chief law enforcement official gab13by13 Jan 2023 #11
... orangecrush Jan 2023 #23
"More than 1,200 people have been detained in Brazil" markodochartaigh Jan 2023 #13
Brazil must "look forward!" orangecrush Jan 2023 #21
Wow...it's possible to arrest insurrectionists Bettie Jan 2023 #14
Only when the coup plotter has been replaced, apparently. SheltieLover Jan 2023 #17
Point taken Bettie Jan 2023 #27
You're not alone in that, Bettie! SheltieLover Jan 2023 #28
Gosh, I didn't know federal prosecutors actually dealt with arrest warrants. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #20
I'm so confused! orangecrush Jan 2023 #22
I wished that TFG let the DOJ/law enforcement arrest the Jan. 6 terrorist at the Capitol LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #24
They should have been treated like bank robbers imo. SheltieLover Jan 2023 #29
who would have thought that Brazil would do better at arresting/punishing insurrectionists than USA. Rabrrrrrr Jan 2023 #25
And foreign "influencers"? moondust Jan 2023 #26
Bolsinaro is at tfg's bug infested shithole in FL. SheltieLover Jan 2023 #30

Response to dalton99a (Original post)

iluvtennis

(21,496 posts)
15. +++ agree. too bad the #1 country in the world for democracy didn't do the same thing. n/t
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:09 PM
Jan 2023
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
18. Please explain who here "fears" criminal justice?
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:22 PM
Jan 2023

Attorney General Garland has explained his methodical approach to Jan 6 prosecutions, and he has followed through with that plan.

iemanja

(57,750 posts)
31. Brazil has already arrested hundreds of the rioters
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 02:09 PM
Jan 2023

The US did no such thing. They've been treated with kid gloves, and Garland has out and out said that he won't make the prosecutions himself because of the "appearance of bias." He therefore kicked the can down the road to Jack Smith, which has done exactly nothing to dispel notions of partisanship. Garland's entire posture throughout this has been driven by fears of seeming partisan. In Brazil, the government already called for the arrest of the financers of the coup attempt. In the US, nothing of the sort has been done, two years later. The differences are obvious to anyone whose purpose isn't to make excuses for Garland.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
32. Was the Brazil Congress in session? No.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 03:16 PM
Jan 2023

Did the Brazil Congress have to certify the Election of the new President? No.

Would you have preferred the EV certification be delayed a day or two?

iemanja

(57,750 posts)
37. Your claim is that certification couldn't take place
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 05:28 PM
Jan 2023

If the protesters had been arrested and the US govt called for the financiers of the rebellion to also be arrested? Did we need all those rioters on the lose to certify the election? Did they play some important legislative role? Or do you imagine the police couldn't arrest people at the time because sometime later than day Congress was to certify the election? How on earth does one follow the other?

doc03

(39,067 posts)
3. Every single person that broke into our capital should have been in jail that day. Instead they
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 10:37 AM
Jan 2023

we're let go and after 2 years they are still looking for some. They did it in Brazil, but people argue here that it couldn't have been done.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
19. Well, its not likely there was anything going on in Congress that couldn't be put off, right?
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:23 PM
Jan 2023

doc03

(39,067 posts)
35. The cops held the doors open as they were escorted
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 04:47 PM
Jan 2023

out of the building. Would it had been impossible to issue each one a set of zip ties on the way out? The most powerful nation on earth and they couldn't coral a few hundred MAGAts. They did it in Brazil. The day after all the damage was done they have hundreds of NG troops sleeping in the hallways.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
36. So you've zip tied each one securely...
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 05:03 PM
Jan 2023

1)How long did that take?

2)What did you do with them outside?

3)When did you have police available to inspect the building and confirm it was safe for Congress and the VP to re-enter?

peppertree

(23,307 posts)
9. There's reason to believe local (right-wing) authorities colluded with whoever organized this
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 11:43 AM
Jan 2023

Brasilia Security Minister Anderson Torres and Governor Ibaneis Rocha are both close allies of Bolsonaro (especially the former).

Torres has now been fired by Rocha - but only after President Lula da Silva ordered the city's security forces be places under federal receivership.

(as you can imagine, there wouldn't have been 1200 arrests without the intervention)

Police were conspicuously absent in the federal buildings area just before the insurrection (Brasilia, like most Brazilian cities, suffers from high crime rates - and is normally heavily policed).

Rocha and Torres had earlier come under fire for banning the sale of water for Lula's supporters during his inaugural on New Year's Day - with temperatures well over 100°.

Any resemblances to today's GOP are pure conicidence.

 

dembotoz

(16,922 posts)
6. feel uneasy when the police round up lots of protesters ...thinking iran, russia hong kong
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 11:18 AM
Jan 2023

but these folks seem to deserve it

machoneman

(4,128 posts)
8. Law enforcement, military folks complicit by inaction. Not all but too many Bolsonaro...
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 11:41 AM
Jan 2023

supporters. A few tanks and APV's blocking the road would have stopped this insurrection, the violent ones at least.

orangecrush

(30,158 posts)
10. Who will be surprised
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 11:43 AM
Jan 2023


If Brazilian authorities are able to do what we haven't, and trace this back to Trump supporters/money?

gab13by13

(32,172 posts)
11. Did Brazil's chief law enforcement official
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 11:48 AM
Jan 2023

come out with a statement that his investigations won't be partisan?

markodochartaigh

(5,518 posts)
13. "More than 1,200 people have been detained in Brazil"
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:01 PM
Jan 2023

Won't that make it difficult for the "country to come together" and to "move on as a nation"? Isn't it likely that detaining people trying to overthrow the government will "polarize the nation"?

/s

Bettie

(19,655 posts)
14. Wow...it's possible to arrest insurrectionists
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:02 PM
Jan 2023

on the day of the insurrection? Who knew?

SheltieLover

(80,201 posts)
17. Only when the coup plotter has been replaced, apparently.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:21 PM
Jan 2023

You don't see them trying that shit here with Joe at the helm.

Bettie

(19,655 posts)
27. Point taken
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 01:05 PM
Jan 2023

I am frustrated with the slow pace and leniency being shown to them, simply because they are white and right wing.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
20. Gosh, I didn't know federal prosecutors actually dealt with arrest warrants.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:35 PM
Jan 2023

Obviously, Brazil has a different set of judicial traditions from the USDOJ.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,374 posts)
25. who would have thought that Brazil would do better at arresting/punishing insurrectionists than USA.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:57 PM
Jan 2023

Isn't Brazil supposed to be - at least in the words of the rightwing evangelical gestapo fascist fucks in the GOP - one of those backwater stupid countries that has no economy, government, freedom, or... well, let's be honest: they think it just isn't white enough to count as a real country.

SheltieLover

(80,201 posts)
30. Bolsinaro is at tfg's bug infested shithole in FL.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 01:09 PM
Jan 2023

Let's send him back!

Why that pos was allowed into our country is beyond me.

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