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Beachnutt

(7,324 posts)
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 08:39 AM Jan 2023

Legal expert pours cold water on GOP's Biden document freakout

RawStory
In a column in the Daily Beast by attorney Shan Wu, GOP glee about President Joe Biden documents from his years as Vice President Barrack Obama discovered in a locked storage room at the Penn Biden Center is much ado about nothing.
On Monday it was revealed an attorney working for the president discovered the documents and immediately notified the National Archives so that they could retrieve them.

That, in turn, led Republicans to seize on the news as a way of trying to undercut the DOJ investigation of Donald Trump's boxes of documents kept at his Mar-a-Lago resort that he refused to return until the FBI obtained a search warrant to enter and seize them.
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https://www.rawstory.com/biden-trump-mar-a-lago-ocs/

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Legal expert pours cold water on GOP's Biden document freakout (Original Post) Beachnutt Jan 2023 OP
And intrepidity Jan 2023 #1
If it weren't for the Trump document scandal, GoCubsGo Jan 2023 #2
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #3
disagree. everybody can try to 'downplay' stopdiggin Jan 2023 #4
in addition stopdiggin Jan 2023 #7
The rw will use this forever... rubbersole Jan 2023 #10
No they Rs aren't right. Phoenix61 Jan 2023 #9
This. eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2023 #12
You are right. We would be in trouble BOSSHOG Jan 2023 #18
Trump LIED about and didn't return documents. Biden didn't. live love laugh Jan 2023 #22
like I said, 'differences', "doesn't mean the same" stopdiggin Jan 2023 #27
Agreed. When you need to explain something away that it really means little, elocs Jan 2023 #26
And there was a mini troll eruption last night. Kingofalldems Jan 2023 #5
Yeah... ChazInAz Jan 2023 #11
This isn't going away Tickle Jan 2023 #6
All I hear is "nothingburger" newdayneeded Jan 2023 #8
Agree. The Republican Owned Media will equivocate the two no matter what. live love laugh Jan 2023 #23
Oooh--I'm ascared! Kingofalldems Jan 2023 #15
It makes no difference papa3times Jan 2023 #13
The new benghazi.. Beachnutt Jan 2023 #14
Yes Rebl2 Jan 2023 #19
The shitty TV Whores are playing Both Sides with it JI7 Jan 2023 #16
✔️+ live love laugh Jan 2023 #24
Trump's 300 docs don't mention the kacekwl Jan 2023 #17
Facts Matter LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #20
Maybe in Europe or something maxsolomon Jan 2023 #21
TRUTH! live love laugh Jan 2023 #25

intrepidity

(7,302 posts)
1. And
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 08:47 AM
Jan 2023
Wu also noted that, in the Donald Trump case, refusal to return the documents is central to special counsel Jack Smith's investigation.

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
2. If it weren't for the Trump document scandal,
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 08:52 AM
Jan 2023

we likely wouldn't be hearing about this, until down the road, when there are mentions that Biden gets slapped with a fine. And, that is if it doesn't turn out to be the Archive's screw up. Or, it turns out Biden has been following proper protocol, but his lawyers didn't know that when they discovered the documents.

stopdiggin

(11,312 posts)
4. disagree. everybody can try to 'downplay'
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 09:42 AM
Jan 2023

and spin this in the best possible light. But that isn't going to slow the Rs down a bit. And they're right. You have in a single stroke effectively discredited and destroyed all of the high ground the government (and Biden and the Dems) held here. You managed not only shoot yourself in the foot - you went and got a 10 gauge and blew the sucker off!

Spin away. Tell me how this, "means nothing" and "differences" and "doesn't really matter"

In the real world (the one in which we all live) - fat chance.

stopdiggin

(11,312 posts)
7. in addition
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 09:57 AM
Jan 2023

where all all the hundreds upon hundreds of, "if an average joe, bus driver did this .." posts. Or, "I worked in the government, had security clearance, and .."

surprisingly quiet.

rubbersole

(6,691 posts)
10. The rw will use this forever...
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 10:36 AM
Jan 2023

So? Bengazi, Hunter's laptop, slipping on stairs, pick one...nothing burgers all. We're done with it after hearing the facts. They'll run with "proof" their guy is the chosen one. It doesn't matter to Jack Smith. rw echo chamber is getting smaller daily. They demonstrate this insanity with everything they do. Cut SS-- go for it geniuses.

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
9. No they Rs aren't right.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 10:28 AM
Jan 2023

There’s a huge difference between the two which I’m sure you’ve already read. You’re ignoring the factual differences in the two situations.

BOSSHOG

(37,056 posts)
18. You are right. We would be in trouble
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 11:18 AM
Jan 2023

IF republicans and their supporters had any integrity. If so, they would insist that all presidents Who engaged in any extralegal activity would be held accountable for said actions. But they don’t have integrity and their whataboutism is as effective as a lone fart in a hurricane to people with integrity.

stopdiggin

(11,312 posts)
27. like I said, 'differences', "doesn't mean the same"
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 09:32 AM
Jan 2023

and yada, yada, yada.

Classified documents, apparently unknown and unaccounted for, squirreled away in some forgotten 'closet' - and warning bells go off the moment they're discovered. It is a (desperately small) caveat that the Biden team did attempt to handle this better upon discovery. (to which the Rs are only going to say, "well, of course you did - after pillorying TFG for months on end for the same thing!".) But that doesn't really alter the fact that the documents were removed, handled casually, forgotten, and then come to light only during a 'clean up' operation.

And the over arching fact remains - Joe Biden 'F'-d up! Capital 'F'! Came at wonderful time (w/ Trump foundering). And it destroyed ('undercut' if you prefer kinder appellations) a lot of the high ground that the government (and Dems) had on the issue. You can try to make lemonade if you want to ... Ain't gonna' fly.

elocs

(22,578 posts)
26. Agreed. When you need to explain something away that it really means little,
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:31 AM
Jan 2023

you've lost the high ground to those who have done the same much more and deliberately. And all the protests that it is not the same just seem to be excuses making it seem to be the same.
I know I am very disappointed by this news.

Tickle

(2,521 posts)
6. This isn't going away
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 09:46 AM
Jan 2023

Attorney General Merrick Garland has assigned the U.S. attorney in Chicago to review documents marked classified that were found at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement in Washington, two sources with knowledge of the inquiry told CBS News. The roughly 10 documents are from President Biden's vice-presidential office at the center, the sources said. CBS News has learned the FBI is also involved in the U.S. attorney's inquiry.

newdayneeded

(1,955 posts)
8. All I hear is "nothingburger"
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 10:07 AM
Jan 2023

All the media and half of msnbc will be covering this for the next month. it'll make it look like trump ripped the tag off of a mattress.

papa3times

(150 posts)
13. It makes no difference
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 10:45 AM
Jan 2023

to Republicans. They will spread the lie(s) that this is just as bad or worse than what Trump did, therefore witch hunt!

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
21. Maybe in Europe or something
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 07:59 PM
Jan 2023

but this is America.

False Equivalence is still equivalence when you've got a 1000 AM stations yelling from the same script into the ears of the least informed people on the planet. Americans simply aren't savvy enough to understand or care about the difference.

Trump was never going to be charged in the NARA case, regardless. The DOJ has no stomach for those optics, before or after this discovery.

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