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CA-SEN: Katie Porter announces her candidacy (For the record, I am undecided) (Original Post) RandySF Jan 2023 OP
Good, I hope she wins! ananda Jan 2023 #1
2024 homegirl Jan 2023 #122
Shit. I think we just lost a house seat... ColinC Jan 2023 #2
We can't find a suitable replacement for her in her seat? Mad_Machine76 Jan 2023 #8
Porter is a superstar and she barely prevailed over a very (very) poor Republican candidate Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #16
I worry about that, too, but hopefully it being a presidential election year will help. deurbano Jan 2023 #32
An election year would have helped her in a re-election bid. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #34
I just realized there is more potential to garner votes from UC Irvine students than is currently deurbano Jan 2023 #40
The student vote at UCI is certainly a source of potential pickups in CA-47. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #45
He was being much smarter about it than we were. Nothing was on the line in San Francisco. deurbano Jan 2023 #55
I'm sure Katie Porter is wildly popular at UCI. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #61
Go Slugs! :-) Foolacious Jan 2023 #96
It is such a beautiful and healing place. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #111
She barely won the race because she can be a lightning rod FBaggins Jan 2023 #117
I don't think you know this district. Sorry. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #121
Redistricted into Huntington Beach and ran against a Republican The_Casual_Observer Jan 2023 #137
Yeah we might get somebody. 🙏 ColinC Jan 2023 #18
Redistricting moved her into a red leaning district Brother Buzz Jan 2023 #124
I like the idea of Katie Porter in the US Senate, but that will almost certainly come at the cost of Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #9
Isn't this a new district? Hope22 Jan 2023 #24
Yes, CA-47 is a new district. The odds of a Democrat winning this seat are slim. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #27
All districts are new. Kire Jan 2023 #91
Porter was redistricted into an even redder district than her original one Fiendish Thingy Jan 2023 #10
Yeah. And I can't imagine anybody but her could hold it. But we will see! ColinC Jan 2023 #13
Maybe now she thinks she could not win it again treestar Jan 2023 #25
I doubt it. Running in the midterms in a newly drawn district is the worst case scenario. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #30
That's my thinking AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2023 #31
This may work out strategically nuxvomica Jan 2023 #26
Works out for whom? For Porter likely. Not for Democrats in the House. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #33
Not if they find a stronger candidate for a red district nuxvomica Jan 2023 #86
That's the problem. Where will one find a candidate like Katie Porter out of the blue? Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #87
She ended her campaign with $8 million unspent balance in her campaign account grantcart Jan 2023 #46
Good, that will help her launch her senate campaign Fiendish Thingy Jan 2023 #69
It was enough grantcart Jan 2023 #93
Then why is she complaining about money from the DCCC? LisaM Jan 2023 #92
Don't know but guessing that it was early on when her national fund raising was beginning grantcart Jan 2023 #94
That's my thought too Rebl2 Jan 2023 #14
Very Close ColinC Jan 2023 #19
That's what Rebl2 Jan 2023 #21
Yep! Orange County. And her new district became just a bit more republican ColinC Jan 2023 #22
Perhaps. Senate would gain a giant. Kid Berwyn Jan 2023 #47
Exactly ColinC Jan 2023 #49
My first thought too. CA-47 was made much tougher with redistricting in 2022. SunSeeker Jan 2023 #99
She barely won against a real piece of work. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2023 #131
Have whiteboard will travel. SalamanderSleeps Jan 2023 #3
This was a logical step. I'm very glad she's doing it. ificandream Jan 2023 #4
She will be a great Senator and make California proud! Emile Jan 2023 #5
Bye bye House seat awesomerwb1 Jan 2023 #6
So then we look for better, elsewhere. calimary Jan 2023 #48
She's probably the only one who can win that district awesomerwb1 Jan 2023 #81
Well, there is that. calimary Jan 2023 #88
Barbara Lee is too old now. Genki Hikari Jan 2023 #116
Most intriguing analysis! Thanks! calimary Jan 2023 #141
Great news - she is one of my favorites womanofthehills Jan 2023 #7
Who is she running against? geardaddy Jan 2023 #11
Think so Rebl2 Jan 2023 #17
So far looks like Porter, Schiff, and Barbara Lee are considering runs. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #20
She's running against Feinstein at this point. AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2023 #29
She had better retire. She's had a nice long career in the Senate. Time for new blood. beaglelover Jan 2023 #106
That's the sort of talk you aim at a very distinguished US Senator with a long record Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #115
There is a reason for 'Emeritus' status pfitz59 Jan 2023 #129
As she has concluded without snipes from what's supposed to be a forum that supports Democrats. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #130
That book must have been some inspiration Norbert Jan 2023 #12
Yaaaaaaaay! SheltieLover Jan 2023 #15
Adam Schiff bmichaelh Jan 2023 #23
That's his plan. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #28
In order to run for the Senate, does a House member have to give up his/her seat? TheRickles Jan 2023 #35
my guess.... getagrip_already Jan 2023 #43
Is Feinstein retiring? IronLionZion Jan 2023 #36
Feinstein will be retiring. Everyone is aware. She has not yet announced her pending retirement, Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #57
So she's primarying Feinstein. Thought we hated that Arazi Jan 2023 #37
Seriously? themaguffin Jan 2023 #39
I see no retirement announcement from Feinstein Arazi Jan 2023 #41
...and? themaguffin Jan 2023 #42
Seems like if progressives announce a primary against an incumbent there's massive pushback Arazi Jan 2023 #44
As a former California voter, my take is BadgerMom Jan 2023 #51
Progressives get excoriated here for trying to "nudge" incumbents Arazi Jan 2023 #56
I agree with all you said Hekate Jan 2023 #97
It's extremely expensive to run a statewide campaign in California. RandySF Jan 2023 #58
Just pointing out the double standard when progressives do this Arazi Jan 2023 #62
Seems like straw men aren't helpful. themaguffin Jan 2023 #67
How is this a strawman? Arazi Jan 2023 #76
Differences BadgerMom Jan 2023 #108
Arazi, you're seriously asking how this is a straw man? themaguffin Jan 2023 #89
Privately, she has made it know that she will not be running. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #73
That doesn't change the reality of what's happening today Arazi Jan 2023 #78
Huh? Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #83
No one thinks Feinstein is running Sympthsical Jan 2023 #50
Feinstein hasn't announced anything yet Arazi Jan 2023 #59
There's technicalities and there are realities Sympthsical Jan 2023 #80
I'm pointing out the double standard Arazi Jan 2023 #84
No, I get what you're saying Sympthsical Jan 2023 #98
Correct. I love Dianne Feinstein. She's earned my admiration and respect. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #74
Feinstein is 89 and not all there mentally. Sky Jewels Jan 2023 #65
Absolutely untrue. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #71
It doesn't serve us to pretend untrue things. Sympthsical Jan 2023 #101
Agreed. Just pointing out the double standard Arazi Jan 2023 #72
You don't seem to grasp the idea that Dianne Feinstein will not be running in 2024. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #77
Until there's a public announcement this is speculation Arazi Jan 2023 #79
No, it is not speculation. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #82
Hell yeah themaguffin Jan 2023 #38
Awesome Sympthsical Jan 2023 #52
Excellent! Turbineguy Jan 2023 #53
Right On marieo1 Jan 2023 #54
She'll be 10 times better than Feinstein. Sky Jewels Jan 2023 #60
Best Representative. We need her in the Senate n/t station agent Jan 2023 #63
For the record, I am undecided. RandySF Jan 2023 #64
The Senator in 2024 LittleGirl Jan 2023 #66
What about Schiff? flamingdem Jan 2023 #68
His House seat would remain blue. BadgerMom Jan 2023 #70
I want to see of someone runs besides the four most mentioned people. RandySF Jan 2023 #75
I hope she talked to Feinstein about this before she announced. CaptainTruth Jan 2023 #85
Maybe as a courtesy, but then again Feinstein would have resigned if she also believed in themaguffin Jan 2023 #90
Feinstein is no longer able to remember recent conversations grantcart Jan 2023 #95
We've got an incredible bunch of House members, & I can think of 4 or 5 right off the top of my head Hekate Jan 2023 #100
OMG AGEISM maxsolomon Jan 2023 #102
I know!!! How dare we suggest 90-somethings shouldn't continue to serve as Senators!!! Sky Jewels Jan 2023 #103
I live in California and I've been dreaming of this day for several years now ZonkerHarris Jan 2023 #104
This is awesome! I can't wait to vote for her for CA Senate!!!! beaglelover Jan 2023 #105
She will make an outstanding Senator! BlueMTexpat Jan 2023 #107
I would be torn Nictuku Jan 2023 #109
Sen. Feinstein has not announced her retirement mcar Jan 2023 #110
Hallelujah!! Irishxs Jan 2023 #112
Love Katie Porter shanti Jan 2023 #113
My prediction- Feinstein leaves her seat and Gov Newsom appoints Schiff Pachamama Jan 2023 #114
Newsom said if he appoints a Senator, it will be a black woman Celerity Jan 2023 #120
Super Smart Awesome Lady OverBurn Jan 2023 #118
She keeps asking me to endorse by donating to her ... Raine Jan 2023 #119
I would vote for her if I lived in California. Emile Jan 2023 #123
I think she should first check to see if Stargleamer Jan 2023 #125
I'm sure she will make the case for her candidacy. LiberalFighter Jan 2023 #126
I liked Porter a lot at first, especially because I really liked the high-power Hortensis Jan 2023 #127
Agree. betsuni Jan 2023 #128
:) Yes. Aligning with JD/Brand New Congress is no way Hortensis Jan 2023 #132
There's no future there, the Democratic Party doesn't need to be replaced. betsuni Jan 2023 #134
As you say. "There's no future there." Thank heavens. Hortensis Jan 2023 #136
+++ JohnSJ Jan 2023 #139
I live in Ga. but I really like Katie & sent her campaign a donation tonight. I hope she wins too! napi21 Jan 2023 #133
Omg, I am so stoked! nt eleny Jan 2023 #135
GOOD! She's a perfect choice to replace Feinstein. Its time for Dianne to retire. oldsoftie Jan 2023 #138
I hoped she would, but surprised she announced this early msfiddlestix Jan 2023 #140
 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
16. Porter is a superstar and she barely prevailed over a very (very) poor Republican candidate
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 11:54 AM
Jan 2023

in the past election.

I tend to be an optimist, but...

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
34. An election year would have helped her in a re-election bid.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:16 PM
Jan 2023

I hope against hope that a Democrat emerges who could compete in this district, but I'm not sanguine on that front.

CA-47 is a tough district for Democrats.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
40. I just realized there is more potential to garner votes from UC Irvine students than is currently
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:26 PM
Jan 2023

being realized because my own daughter, a senior at UCI, voted absentee in her "home" district in San Francisco for Nancy Pelosi! That was a wasted congressional vote, and I'll bet many of her friends, including the ones from San Francisco and other liberal Bay Area districts, did the same. I didn't realize Porter's election would be such a squeaker.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
45. The student vote at UCI is certainly a source of potential pickups in CA-47.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:36 PM
Jan 2023

Although re-registering in Irvine (rather than home districts) seems like it would be more motivated if it were driven by a push to "save" the highly popular Katie Porter, than to support an (unknown at this time) "generic" Democrat.

My own son, who is an 18 year old freshman at UC Santa Cruz had to strategize about whether it was more strategic to vote in Santa Cruz or Los Angeles. He chose his home district with the mayoral race of Karen Bass on the line.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
55. He was being much smarter about it than we were. Nothing was on the line in San Francisco.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:47 PM
Jan 2023

We were also clueless about how at risk Katie Porter was. I say "we" because my daughter would have been responsive to that information if I (or someone else) had pointed it out. I think Porter is pretty popular on campus, and even was a guest lecturer for a class my daughter took.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
61. I'm sure Katie Porter is wildly popular at UCI.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:56 PM
Jan 2023

A re-registration drives at UCI would be extremely helpful at UCI.

I hope a Democrat emerges to has the sort of charisma and leadership skills that Katie Porter has who could motivate such activity, but I don't see such a person on the horizon at this point.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
111. It is such a beautiful and healing place.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 04:52 PM
Jan 2023

I'm so grateful that my son is able to go to school in Santa Cruz.

Go Slugs!

FBaggins

(26,743 posts)
117. She barely won the race because she can be a lightning rod
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 07:39 PM
Jan 2023

We perceive that as a "superstar" because we love how she works... but that doesn't mean that she's the only one who can win that district. There are likely many voters who showed up to vote against her who wouldn't be energized against a less "superstar" democrat.

Indeed... if you look harder you'll see that the district is D+6. IOW, she underperformed a generic Democrat by a few points.

This move could be ideal - because she should do better statewide while giving a less polarizing democrat the opportunity to move into the House.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
137. Redistricted into Huntington Beach and ran against a Republican
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 02:12 AM
Jan 2023

White guy hack in the off year and didn't campaign.

Brother Buzz

(36,440 posts)
124. Redistricting moved her into a red leaning district
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 08:31 PM
Jan 2023

Her last election was too close for comfort (51-49); name resignation put her over the top.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
9. I like the idea of Katie Porter in the US Senate, but that will almost certainly come at the cost of
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 11:51 AM
Jan 2023

flipping CA-47 to the Republicans.

Hope22

(1,840 posts)
24. Isn't this a new district?
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 11:59 AM
Jan 2023

If Katie grabbed their attention this round she should be able to impact both races. She is a tough cookie. Also, she has young kids. Should she spend time campaigning and money on an 2 year term or a six year term. It’s all the same money and time. I hope this works out. CA will have to chip in and help her! She is needed in the Senate as well!

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
27. Yes, CA-47 is a new district. The odds of a Democrat winning this seat are slim.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:04 PM
Jan 2023

Porter had "incumbency" on her side (part of the district was included in her "old" CA-45) and she is incomparably gifted. She still barley won against a largely unknown criminal-grifter named Scott Baugh.

The demographics of the district are not favorable to Democrats. It would take a near-miracle to retain that seat.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,619 posts)
10. Porter was redistricted into an even redder district than her original one
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 11:52 AM
Jan 2023

And barely won re-election, since the DCCC saw fit to send her pennies (Katie called it “just enough to print some flyers”) when her opponent was getting millions in dark money.

She will make a great senator.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
30. I doubt it. Running in the midterms in a newly drawn district is the worst case scenario.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:11 PM
Jan 2023

In my estimation, Porter could hold that seat.

Not easily, but she has significant support that transcends the political demographics of the district.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,024 posts)
31. That's my thinking
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:11 PM
Jan 2023

I think she should've waited for Feinstein to announce her retirement, but this does sound like the smart move for Porter given her districts demographics.

nuxvomica

(12,426 posts)
26. This may work out strategically
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:01 PM
Jan 2023

As something of a firebrand, Porter is safer in a statewide race and for that same reason she may have been more vulnerable in a red district than other candidates. She's also an idea person and an intimidating debater, which is better for the Senate where her skills will get greater visibility and impact.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
87. That's the problem. Where will one find a candidate like Katie Porter out of the blue?
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:50 PM
Jan 2023

It isn't about running a more conservative candidate, it is about motivating Democrats and Independents in her district to vote. Porter does that.

She is extremely popular with liberals in her district.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,619 posts)
69. Good, that will help her launch her senate campaign
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:13 PM
Jan 2023

The other important question is: how much did she have to spend defending her seat?

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
92. Then why is she complaining about money from the DCCC?
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 02:10 PM
Jan 2023

Last edited Tue Jan 10, 2023, 04:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Maybe I am missing something, but if she didn't need the money, shouldn't the DCCC be using the funds somewhere else?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
94. Don't know but guessing that it was early on when her national fund raising was beginning
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 02:14 PM
Jan 2023

Obviously the DCCC did very well with the resources they had.

ColinC

(8,300 posts)
22. Yep! Orange County. And her new district became just a bit more republican
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 11:58 AM
Jan 2023

Which is part of the reason it was closer.

Kid Berwyn

(14,907 posts)
47. Perhaps. Senate would gain a giant.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:39 PM
Jan 2023

As she’s Presidential timber, a stepping stone to the White House.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
99. My first thought too. CA-47 was made much tougher with redistricting in 2022.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 02:30 PM
Jan 2023

Katie had to fight hard to keep it. A lesser candidate would lose for sure. Sucks, because I live in CA-47 and really liked having Katie as my Representative.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
131. She barely won against a real piece of work.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:39 AM
Jan 2023

Typical scam artist that GQP loves.

Harley Rouda is looking to run again. Former Republican who was our Dem rep from 2019-2021.

calimary

(81,297 posts)
48. So then we look for better, elsewhere.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:41 PM
Jan 2023

What buoys me up is that the next election is the Presidential cycle, which will bring out more Democratic voters across the board.

She’s SO righteous! She deserves a higher profile.

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
81. She's probably the only one who can win that district
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:30 PM
Jan 2023

This is not a knock on anyone, but I like to look at the bigger picture.

That Senate seat is Dem safe in CA. We can't afford to lose any seats in the House.

calimary

(81,297 posts)
88. Well, there is that.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:52 PM
Jan 2023

And we have some genuinely terrific alternatives up for a run. Evidently Adam Schiff and Barbara Lee may go for it, as I see elsewhere here. I like both of them as well.

Maybe we need to think this through strategically. Who would be most likely to be replaced by another Democrat? I think that’s what would help me make that choice if I had to vote on it.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
116. Barbara Lee is too old now.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 07:34 PM
Jan 2023

CA needs someone in the Senate who can benefit from incumbency over many years. She's a great Democrat, but Barbara Lee would be a wasted vote in that regard.

I adore Katie Porter beyond all reason, but her district (47th) is R+2. Running with Biden at the top of the ticket in 2024 will help secure the seat, but that's only temporary. We have to think beyond that to 2030, when maybe a more favorable redistricting will secure the seat better. Since it's unlikely another D would win there beyond 2024, Katie needs to stay where she is a while longer. She's relatively young, so she'll get her chance.

Schiff wouldn't cost us a House seat; at D+23, the 30th is true blue. You could run a paper clip as a D in that district, and it would pummel an r thug.

Of the three, Schiff is the most pragmatic choice for keeping the Senate and taking back control of the House, or at least not losing ground there until 2030.

calimary

(81,297 posts)
141. Most intriguing analysis! Thanks!
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 06:53 PM
Jan 2023

While I LOVE Katie Porter, I think you’re right - she can hold that seat while Schiff takes the Senate slot.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
20. So far looks like Porter, Schiff, and Barbara Lee are considering runs.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 11:57 AM
Jan 2023

Dianne Feinstein has not yet announced her decision not to seek re-elections, but that is certain.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,024 posts)
29. She's running against Feinstein at this point.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:10 PM
Jan 2023

Although it does sound like Feinstein will be retiring.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
115. That's the sort of talk you aim at a very distinguished US Senator with a long record
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 06:23 PM
Jan 2023

of accomplishment?

I think Dianne Feinstein deserves a lot more respect than is being shown here.

pfitz59

(10,381 posts)
129. There is a reason for 'Emeritus' status
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:32 AM
Jan 2023

Not disrespectful to acknowledge the truth. Feinstein's had a long run, but it's time to move on.

TheRickles

(2,063 posts)
35. In order to run for the Senate, does a House member have to give up his/her seat?
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:19 PM
Jan 2023

Or is that only if they win election to the Senate?

On second thought, their House seat would also be up for grabs at the same time as their Senate run (every 2 years vs. every 6 years), so they'd have to choose one office to run for. Oh well. (I'm leaving this post up in case someone else is heading down that blind alley!).

getagrip_already

(14,757 posts)
43. my guess....
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:28 PM
Jan 2023

I don't think she can can keep a house bid as a backup. She has to enter into a primary for the senate seat, so she couldn't also be running for the house.

She would have to see very early on that she wasn't going to win the primary to switch back to the house race.

I don't think she could do it in a tough district. Hopefully they have a superstar lined up to take her slot on the house ticket.

If she gets knocked out in the senate primary, she would probably end up in bidens cabinet somewhere.

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
36. Is Feinstein retiring?
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:25 PM
Jan 2023

I didn't see any announcement. Maybe this will encourage her to retire instead of facing a primary.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
57. Feinstein will be retiring. Everyone is aware. She has not yet announced her pending retirement,
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:49 PM
Jan 2023

but she hardly needs "encouragement."

Dianne Feinstein has been a very fine Senator for California and deserves our thanks and respect.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
44. Seems like if progressives announce a primary against an incumbent there's massive pushback
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:30 PM
Jan 2023

This is getting applause here.

Plus we’ll lose that seat. Katie Porter almost lost and there’s no guarantee anyone else might win.

DU hates Dems who have done that too in the past

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
51. As a former California voter, my take is
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:45 PM
Jan 2023

that if Porter’s announcement nudges Feinstein to step away from a run and helps Porter organize and raise money, it’s a win-win. Feinstein has been a dedicated public servant for decades. She deserves accolades. I know she has earned the right to choose her future herself. However, as a citizen, I see a woman who would be running for a 6-year term at age 91. Reasonably, that doesn’t serve the electorate well.

RandySF

(58,874 posts)
58. It's extremely expensive to run a statewide campaign in California.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:49 PM
Jan 2023

Anyone who wants to run cannot afford to wait on Feinstein's inevitable retirement.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
62. Just pointing out the double standard when progressives do this
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:56 PM
Jan 2023

Feinstein hasn’t announced anything and Porter is dating her to make a move.

Feinstein is a hood and loyal Dem.

If this was a progressive the howls would be ear splitting. Just saying

(And I support Porter and think it’s long past time for Feinstein to retire)

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
76. How is this a strawman?
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:23 PM
Jan 2023

Has Feinstein announced her retirement? Is Porter (at this moment), actually primarying a long standing Dem incumbent? Is Porter trying to pressure her?

Please tell me how this is different than what AOC did in NY and that got (still gets) a lot of shit about, for example. (I’m not going to get into the 2022 Dem races since I don’t want to re-hash old arguments that are still too fresh)

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
108. Differences
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 04:08 PM
Jan 2023

1. Porter is a known quantity. At the time she ran, AOC was not.

2. Feinstein is acknowledged as a dedicated public servant, but her age cannot be ignored. I believe that although AOC’s opponent, Joe Crowley, was older than she, his age at the time (52) didn’t raise red flags.

3. AOC unseated a man. As a woman, I can’t help wondering if some of the blowback she experiences/experienced isn’t sexism in action. In Porter’s case she would replace another woman.

4. Ruben Gallego’s possible run against Sinema has met with some positivity here, even prior to Sinema’s change to being an Independent.

I’m not saying all Democrats who challenge Democratic incumbents are right or wrong. But, personally, I like being able to discuss it.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
73. Privately, she has made it know that she will not be running.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:20 PM
Jan 2023

A public announcement is in the offing.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
83. Huh?
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:38 PM
Jan 2023


Democrats are lining up potential bids to replace the retiring Dianne Feinstein.

None of this is either a secret, nor is it mysterious.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
50. No one thinks Feinstein is running
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:44 PM
Jan 2023

Literally no one in California.

Who's going to run for the seat has been nonstop political commentary here for at least the past year.

It's about as open a secret as it gets in politics.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
59. Feinstein hasn't announced anything yet
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:52 PM
Jan 2023

So this is either Katie Porter primarying Feinstein or pressuring her to move aside.

I have watched DU lose their shit at progressives who have done this, especially when it means we lose a house seat in the process.

I love Katie Porter. Will support her run but I’m well aware of how this has gone down when it’s progressives doing the same.

It’s a huge double standard

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
80. There's technicalities and there are realities
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:28 PM
Jan 2023

Feinstein's not running again.

There's just plain zero use to pretend otherwise. It accomplishes nothing.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
84. I'm pointing out the double standard
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:39 PM
Jan 2023

When a progressive challenges a long standing Dem incumbent, to either pressure them to resign or move left.

Porter is a great candidate but she’s jumped the gun and is essentially pressuring Feinstein to announce or resign.

I’m done here. Feel free to have the last word

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
98. No, I get what you're saying
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 02:29 PM
Jan 2023

And I sympathize with the sentiment. There are some with the unfortunate penchant to believe that once someone they like is in a seat, that's the end of democracy until they deem otherwise.

I think we're all familiar with this thrumming libido for authoritarian lack of democracy for power's sake.

I just think it so obviously doesn't apply in Feinstein's case that it isn't useful to make the point. For all intents and purposes, Feinstein is done after this term and that is well-known in the Democratic establishment. Most people have been hanging back to allow for her to make her exit in her own way on her own time. Which is why Porter's announcement comes as a little bit startling. Although there are many, many hats in this ring, I don't think anyone thought one would be thrown until Feinstein officially bowed out.

But, it has been going on for an awfully long time now, so I guess someone figured they needed to just declare, "Screw it. This is taking forever. Let's just get on with it."

Which I'm fine with. Feinstein has been given a lot of space out of respect for her long service. However, people are eager to shape up '24 sooner rather than later. I think people figured she'd announce retirement after midterms. Well, that hasn't happened, so we'll just move on without it for now.

I get your point, I do. But applying it here is punching at wind.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
74. Correct. I love Dianne Feinstein. She's earned my admiration and respect.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:22 PM
Jan 2023

She is not going to run for reelection. This is not a "secret."

Sky Jewels

(7,107 posts)
65. Feinstein is 89 and not all there mentally.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:02 PM
Jan 2023

She definitely should have retired in 2019.

There’s no fucking way she should run again. And if she does—too bad. Primary her. We need that Senate seat filled by a progressive leader who has all her faculties and then some.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
101. It doesn't serve us to pretend untrue things.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 02:33 PM
Jan 2023

It's known and obvious that Feinstein should probably have retired last term so another Democrat could take that seat and begin climbing the ladder. (I firmly believe had she retired, De Leon would not have been the alternative).

However, that did not happen. Fine. Now it will. Great.

But condemning true sentiments, if perhaps phrased indelicately, speaks to credibility.

She's retiring. We'll get a good Democrat in there. Wins all around.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
72. Agreed. Just pointing out the double standard
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:18 PM
Jan 2023

Katie Porter is an excellent choice and I support her.

And I’ve also supported progressives that have done this exact same thing which gets massive backlash here.

Just sayin’

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
77. You don't seem to grasp the idea that Dianne Feinstein will not be running in 2024.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:24 PM
Jan 2023

Some will fault Porter for not waiting until the announcement became "official," but Porter--like every informed Democrat in CA--is aware that Dianne Feinstein will not be running for another term.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
79. Until there's a public announcement this is speculation
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:25 PM
Jan 2023

We like Katie Porter so we’re giving her a pass on this. Personally I hope she runs and wins.

Just pointing out the double standard

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
82. No, it is not speculation.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:36 PM
Jan 2023

You are misinformed.

There is no double standards here as *everyone* in California understands the score.

But do go on.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
52. Awesome
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:45 PM
Jan 2023

She has my vote. We'll have to see who else runs, but right now she's my favorite.

Schiff is a nonstarter with me.

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
70. His House seat would remain blue.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:15 PM
Jan 2023

That doesn’t matter though if Porter is running. At this point, her seat is up for grabs. I hope there’s a viable Dem in her district.

CaptainTruth

(6,592 posts)
85. I hope she talked to Feinstein about this before she announced.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:44 PM
Jan 2023

I want to believe Katie did the right thing & talked to Feinstein & coordinated their plans.

themaguffin

(3,826 posts)
90. Maybe as a courtesy, but then again Feinstein would have resigned if she also believed in
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 01:56 PM
Jan 2023

doing what's right.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
95. Feinstein is no longer able to remember recent conversations
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 02:16 PM
Jan 2023

She should have resigned her seat years ago.

Hekate

(90,705 posts)
100. We've got an incredible bunch of House members, & I can think of 4 or 5 right off the top of my head
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 02:32 PM
Jan 2023

… who would make great Senators. I hadn’t thought of Katie Porter because my eye’s been on Swallwell and Schiff, but why not Katie? She and Elizabeth Warren would be dynamite in the Senate.

The upcoming campaign season should be really interesting. My biggest regret is that since House members have to run every 2 years, there’s no choice but to give up their House seat in advance of the Senate vote.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
107. She will make an outstanding Senator!
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 03:49 PM
Jan 2023

As for the House seat, she may have someone in mind that Dems can beginning prepping.

There is enough time to do just that.

Nictuku

(3,614 posts)
109. I would be torn
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 04:47 PM
Jan 2023

If Adam Schiff is running as well as Katie, I would have a hard time choosing. I like them both. I also like Swallwell.

I am assuming this would be for DiFi's seat.

I don't know much about Sen Padilla, even though I voted for him (vs a Republican)

I would LOVE California to be represented by BOTH Porter and Schiff (or even Swallwell)

mcar

(42,334 posts)
110. Sen. Feinstein has not announced her retirement
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 04:49 PM
Jan 2023

(although one expects she will).

As Rep. Schiff said (paraphrasing), "who announces a Senate primary run when your state is in the middle of an extreme crisis and people are suffering, even dying."

This is tacky, to say the least.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
113. Love Katie Porter
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 05:16 PM
Jan 2023

since she entered the political arena. Super bright and down to earth. She would make a great Senator and I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
114. My prediction- Feinstein leaves her seat and Gov Newsom appoints Schiff
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 06:16 PM
Jan 2023

I love both Porter and Schiff - Please don’t make me choose

Raine

(30,540 posts)
119. She keeps asking me to endorse by donating to her ...
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 07:44 PM
Jan 2023

I'm not committing to anyone until I see everyone who else is running. There's s a long way to go yet.

Stargleamer

(1,989 posts)
125. I think she should first check to see if
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 09:21 PM
Jan 2023

Barbara Lee, Ted Lieu or Adam Schiff want to run and then let them have it

LiberalFighter

(50,942 posts)
126. I'm sure she will make the case for her candidacy.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 10:25 PM
Jan 2023

Not everyone gets on board for the same reason or reasons.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
127. I liked Porter a lot at first, especially because I really liked the high-power
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:06 AM
Jan 2023

women senators who helped bring her along. But quite simply her fractious, self promoting behaviors on the job have raised flags about her judgment and suitability. It happens. And while congressmen are accountable and generally controllable, which has been an unpleasant learning experience for Porter, U.S. senators are not. Remember Sinema's unaccountability to both the party AND those who elected her?

Those enthusiastic about Porter should also remember how much many of them admired Tulsi Gabbard's fractious, oppositional behaviors while a Democrat, seeing them and her public troublemaking as signs of integrity. (!) Remember what we learned about this brief soaring Democratic star after she finished self destructing in our firmament -- once she didn't have to woo Democrats in her home district.

Of course Porter's principles are better established, no worry that she's going to sell out to billionaires and become a regular on Fox, but what's it mean that she twice endorsed angry, fractious Nina Turner, who advised people not to vote for Democrats in 2016 (!!!) and considers the mainstream Democratic agenda that 80M mainstream voters really do want "half a bowl of shit?" Against Shontel Brown.

We know some people here are drawn by the oppositional behaviors those mentioned all share, but it's smart to realize going in that most Democrats are not. Two are gone, and a third would be if only we could.

Porter is going to lose to formidable mainstream competitors who in general epitomize the principles and goals of the Democratic platform, who've been working to make it happen for years. Democracy working as it should until and if she proves herself to the people to be what they want for the job.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
132. :) Yes. Aligning with JD/Brand New Congress is no way
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:56 AM
Jan 2023

to win friends and influence the 80M-strong Democratic mainstream whose choices these far-left groups are trying to use outsider money to defeat in elections. To put it mildly! It's disturbing that it's become stronger, or more open. Has she noted the growing rejection of extremism by voters yet? In particular voters who are voting Democratic?

I just watched her announcement for senate and her appearance on O'Donnell. She didn't mention being a Democrat, and specifically did not differentiate Democrats from Republicans as she repeatedly spoke of broken Washington and what congress has done wrong for years.

betsuni

(25,532 posts)
134. There's no future there, the Democratic Party doesn't need to be replaced.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:19 AM
Jan 2023

I keep seeing people saying/insinuating that Democrats lose elections because they're not progressive enough, as if voters carefully study the two party's policies and can't see a difference so go with Republicans or don't vote, or that everyone's corrupt. In 2023 they can't see a difference!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
136. As you say. "There's no future there." Thank heavens.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:55 AM
Jan 2023

The dangerous wave of extremism that's threatened everyone's future wellbeing needs to become part of our past as soon as possible.

The Democratic Party is America's liberal and progressive party.

We can be better, but those who imagine that anti-Democratic and anti-democratic antagonists could take it over and make it more progressive will be extremely fortunate not to have gotten what they thought they wanted. Extremists are basically dysfunctional nuts. Their zealous certainty fools some, including themselves, but they cannot be progressive and always fail when they try.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
133. I live in Ga. but I really like Katie & sent her campaign a donation tonight. I hope she wins too!
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:15 AM
Jan 2023

I wish there were more politicians liske her in government.

oldsoftie

(12,548 posts)
138. GOOD! She's a perfect choice to replace Feinstein. Its time for Dianne to retire.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:02 AM
Jan 2023

Actually LONG past time. nobody wants to talk about it but it is what it is

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
140. I hoped she would, but surprised she announced this early
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:22 AM
Jan 2023

on the other hand, hitting the ground on a campaign like this in California takes a long time.

Actually, I imagined Feinstein would find a need to resign sooner than the next election campaign season, so that Porter could be appointed by our Governor. I also imagined a list of contenders vying for the office and appealing to Newsom for that appointmen, making it extremely difficult.

Speculating that maybe the reason why Porter had to throw her hat in the ring at this time.

She'll certainly have my vote. I love Porter.



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