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ananda
(28,864 posts)!!!
Senator Katie Porter and POTUS Adam Schiff
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ColinC
(8,300 posts)Mad_Machine76
(24,412 posts)I'm sure she might have some ideas?
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)in the past election.
I tend to be an optimist, but...
deurbano
(2,895 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I hope against hope that a Democrat emerges who could compete in this district, but I'm not sanguine on that front.
CA-47 is a tough district for Democrats.
deurbano
(2,895 posts)being realized because my own daughter, a senior at UCI, voted absentee in her "home" district in San Francisco for Nancy Pelosi! That was a wasted congressional vote, and I'll bet many of her friends, including the ones from San Francisco and other liberal Bay Area districts, did the same. I didn't realize Porter's election would be such a squeaker.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Although re-registering in Irvine (rather than home districts) seems like it would be more motivated if it were driven by a push to "save" the highly popular Katie Porter, than to support an (unknown at this time) "generic" Democrat.
My own son, who is an 18 year old freshman at UC Santa Cruz had to strategize about whether it was more strategic to vote in Santa Cruz or Los Angeles. He chose his home district with the mayoral race of Karen Bass on the line.
deurbano
(2,895 posts)We were also clueless about how at risk Katie Porter was. I say "we" because my daughter would have been responsive to that information if I (or someone else) had pointed it out. I think Porter is pretty popular on campus, and even was a guest lecturer for a class my daughter took.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)A re-registration drives at UCI would be extremely helpful at UCI.
I hope a Democrat emerges to has the sort of charisma and leadership skills that Katie Porter has who could motivate such activity, but I don't see such a person on the horizon at this point.
Foolacious
(497 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I'm so grateful that my son is able to go to school in Santa Cruz.
Go Slugs!
FBaggins
(26,743 posts)We perceive that as a "superstar" because we love how she works... but that doesn't mean that she's the only one who can win that district. There are likely many voters who showed up to vote against her who wouldn't be energized against a less "superstar" democrat.
Indeed... if you look harder you'll see that the district is D+6. IOW, she underperformed a generic Democrat by a few points.
This move could be ideal - because she should do better statewide while giving a less polarizing democrat the opportunity to move into the House.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)White guy hack in the off year and didn't campaign.
ColinC
(8,300 posts)I am absolutely giddy about her maybe going to the senate tho!
Brother Buzz
(36,440 posts)Her last election was too close for comfort (51-49); name resignation put her over the top.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)flipping CA-47 to the Republicans.
Hope22
(1,840 posts)If Katie grabbed their attention this round she should be able to impact both races. She is a tough cookie. Also, she has young kids. Should she spend time campaigning and money on an 2 year term or a six year term. Its all the same money and time. I hope this works out. CA will have to chip in and help her! She is needed in the Senate as well!
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Porter had "incumbency" on her side (part of the district was included in her "old" CA-45) and she is incomparably gifted. She still barley won against a largely unknown criminal-grifter named Scott Baugh.
The demographics of the district are not favorable to Democrats. It would take a near-miracle to retain that seat.
Kire
(11,087 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,619 posts)And barely won re-election, since the DCCC saw fit to send her pennies (Katie called it just enough to print some flyers) when her opponent was getting millions in dark money.
She will make a great senator.
ColinC
(8,300 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)explaining the reason for the Senate campaign.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)In my estimation, Porter could hold that seat.
Not easily, but she has significant support that transcends the political demographics of the district.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,024 posts)I think she should've waited for Feinstein to announce her retirement, but this does sound like the smart move for Porter given her districts demographics.
nuxvomica
(12,426 posts)As something of a firebrand, Porter is safer in a statewide race and for that same reason she may have been more vulnerable in a red district than other candidates. She's also an idea person and an intimidating debater, which is better for the Senate where her skills will get greater visibility and impact.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)nuxvomica
(12,426 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)It isn't about running a more conservative candidate, it is about motivating Democrats and Independents in her district to vote. Porter does that.
She is extremely popular with liberals in her district.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,619 posts)The other important question is: how much did she have to spend defending her seat?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Purchasing broadcast media ads would have been very expensive in her market.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 10, 2023, 04:40 PM - Edit history (1)
Maybe I am missing something, but if she didn't need the money, shouldn't the DCCC be using the funds somewhere else?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Obviously the DCCC did very well with the resources they had.
Rebl2
(13,516 posts)Did she easily win her house seat this last election or was it close.
Rebl2
(13,516 posts)I thought. Is it a republican area?
ColinC
(8,300 posts)Which is part of the reason it was closer.
Kid Berwyn
(14,907 posts)As shes Presidential timber, a stepping stone to the White House.
ColinC
(8,300 posts)Itll probably be worth it in the long run
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)Katie had to fight hard to keep it. A lesser candidate would lose for sure. Sucks, because I live in CA-47 and really liked having Katie as my Representative.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,123 posts)Typical scam artist that GQP loves.
Harley Rouda is looking to run again. Former Republican who was our Dem rep from 2019-2021.
SalamanderSleeps
(584 posts)ificandream
(9,373 posts)Emile
(22,771 posts)awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)calimary
(81,297 posts)What buoys me up is that the next election is the Presidential cycle, which will bring out more Democratic voters across the board.
Shes SO righteous! She deserves a higher profile.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)This is not a knock on anyone, but I like to look at the bigger picture.
That Senate seat is Dem safe in CA. We can't afford to lose any seats in the House.
calimary
(81,297 posts)And we have some genuinely terrific alternatives up for a run. Evidently Adam Schiff and Barbara Lee may go for it, as I see elsewhere here. I like both of them as well.
Maybe we need to think this through strategically. Who would be most likely to be replaced by another Democrat? I think thats what would help me make that choice if I had to vote on it.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)CA needs someone in the Senate who can benefit from incumbency over many years. She's a great Democrat, but Barbara Lee would be a wasted vote in that regard.
I adore Katie Porter beyond all reason, but her district (47th) is R+2. Running with Biden at the top of the ticket in 2024 will help secure the seat, but that's only temporary. We have to think beyond that to 2030, when maybe a more favorable redistricting will secure the seat better. Since it's unlikely another D would win there beyond 2024, Katie needs to stay where she is a while longer. She's relatively young, so she'll get her chance.
Schiff wouldn't cost us a House seat; at D+23, the 30th is true blue. You could run a paper clip as a D in that district, and it would pummel an r thug.
Of the three, Schiff is the most pragmatic choice for keeping the Senate and taking back control of the House, or at least not losing ground there until 2030.
calimary
(81,297 posts)While I LOVE Katie Porter, I think youre right - she can hold that seat while Schiff takes the Senate slot.
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)And she has a sense of humor.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)Is this for Feinstein's seat?
Rebl2
(13,516 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Dianne Feinstein has not yet announced her decision not to seek re-elections, but that is certain.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,024 posts)Although it does sound like Feinstein will be retiring.
beaglelover
(3,486 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)of accomplishment?
I think Dianne Feinstein deserves a lot more respect than is being shown here.
pfitz59
(10,381 posts)Not disrespectful to acknowledge the truth. Feinstein's had a long run, but it's time to move on.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Norbert
(6,040 posts)Good luck to her.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)bmichaelh
(382 posts)I thought at one time Adam Schiff might run for the Senate
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)TheRickles
(2,063 posts)Or is that only if they win election to the Senate?
On second thought, their House seat would also be up for grabs at the same time as their Senate run (every 2 years vs. every 6 years), so they'd have to choose one office to run for. Oh well. (I'm leaving this post up in case someone else is heading down that blind alley!).
getagrip_already
(14,757 posts)I don't think she can can keep a house bid as a backup. She has to enter into a primary for the senate seat, so she couldn't also be running for the house.
She would have to see very early on that she wasn't going to win the primary to switch back to the house race.
I don't think she could do it in a tough district. Hopefully they have a superstar lined up to take her slot on the house ticket.
If she gets knocked out in the senate primary, she would probably end up in bidens cabinet somewhere.
IronLionZion
(45,447 posts)I didn't see any announcement. Maybe this will encourage her to retire instead of facing a primary.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)but she hardly needs "encouragement."
Dianne Feinstein has been a very fine Senator for California and deserves our thanks and respect.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)themaguffin
(3,826 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)Did I miss it?
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)This is getting applause here.
Plus well lose that seat. Katie Porter almost lost and theres no guarantee anyone else might win.
DU hates Dems who have done that too in the past
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)that if Porters announcement nudges Feinstein to step away from a run and helps Porter organize and raise money, its a win-win. Feinstein has been a dedicated public servant for decades. She deserves accolades. I know she has earned the right to choose her future herself. However, as a citizen, I see a woman who would be running for a 6-year term at age 91. Reasonably, that doesnt serve the electorate well.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Double standard much?
Hekate
(90,705 posts)RandySF
(58,874 posts)Anyone who wants to run cannot afford to wait on Feinstein's inevitable retirement.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Feinstein hasnt announced anything and Porter is dating her to make a move.
Feinstein is a hood and loyal Dem.
If this was a progressive the howls would be ear splitting. Just saying
(And I support Porter and think its long past time for Feinstein to retire)
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)Has Feinstein announced her retirement? Is Porter (at this moment), actually primarying a long standing Dem incumbent? Is Porter trying to pressure her?
Please tell me how this is different than what AOC did in NY and that got (still gets) a lot of shit about, for example. (Im not going to get into the 2022 Dem races since I dont want to re-hash old arguments that are still too fresh)
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)1. Porter is a known quantity. At the time she ran, AOC was not.
2. Feinstein is acknowledged as a dedicated public servant, but her age cannot be ignored. I believe that although AOCs opponent, Joe Crowley, was older than she, his age at the time (52) didnt raise red flags.
3. AOC unseated a man. As a woman, I cant help wondering if some of the blowback she experiences/experienced isnt sexism in action. In Porters case she would replace another woman.
4. Ruben Gallegos possible run against Sinema has met with some positivity here, even prior to Sinemas change to being an Independent.
Im not saying all Democrats who challenge Democratic incumbents are right or wrong. But, personally, I like being able to discuss it.
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)A public announcement is in the offing.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)In public, out in the open.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Democrats are lining up potential bids to replace the retiring Dianne Feinstein.
None of this is either a secret, nor is it mysterious.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)Literally no one in California.
Who's going to run for the seat has been nonstop political commentary here for at least the past year.
It's about as open a secret as it gets in politics.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)So this is either Katie Porter primarying Feinstein or pressuring her to move aside.
I have watched DU lose their shit at progressives who have done this, especially when it means we lose a house seat in the process.
I love Katie Porter. Will support her run but Im well aware of how this has gone down when its progressives doing the same.
Its a huge double standard
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)Feinstein's not running again.
There's just plain zero use to pretend otherwise. It accomplishes nothing.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)When a progressive challenges a long standing Dem incumbent, to either pressure them to resign or move left.
Porter is a great candidate but shes jumped the gun and is essentially pressuring Feinstein to announce or resign.
Im done here. Feel free to have the last word
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)And I sympathize with the sentiment. There are some with the unfortunate penchant to believe that once someone they like is in a seat, that's the end of democracy until they deem otherwise.
I think we're all familiar with this thrumming libido for authoritarian lack of democracy for power's sake.
I just think it so obviously doesn't apply in Feinstein's case that it isn't useful to make the point. For all intents and purposes, Feinstein is done after this term and that is well-known in the Democratic establishment. Most people have been hanging back to allow for her to make her exit in her own way on her own time. Which is why Porter's announcement comes as a little bit startling. Although there are many, many hats in this ring, I don't think anyone thought one would be thrown until Feinstein officially bowed out.
But, it has been going on for an awfully long time now, so I guess someone figured they needed to just declare, "Screw it. This is taking forever. Let's just get on with it."
Which I'm fine with. Feinstein has been given a lot of space out of respect for her long service. However, people are eager to shape up '24 sooner rather than later. I think people figured she'd announce retirement after midterms. Well, that hasn't happened, so we'll just move on without it for now.
I get your point, I do. But applying it here is punching at wind.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)She is not going to run for reelection. This is not a "secret."
Sky Jewels
(7,107 posts)She definitely should have retired in 2019.
Theres no fucking way she should run again. And if she doestoo bad. Primary her. We need that Senate seat filled by a progressive leader who has all her faculties and then some.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)And so much for "not bashing Democratic figures."
My goodness.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)It's known and obvious that Feinstein should probably have retired last term so another Democrat could take that seat and begin climbing the ladder. (I firmly believe had she retired, De Leon would not have been the alternative).
However, that did not happen. Fine. Now it will. Great.
But condemning true sentiments, if perhaps phrased indelicately, speaks to credibility.
She's retiring. We'll get a good Democrat in there. Wins all around.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Katie Porter is an excellent choice and I support her.
And Ive also supported progressives that have done this exact same thing which gets massive backlash here.
Just sayin
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Some will fault Porter for not waiting until the announcement became "official," but Porter--like every informed Democrat in CA--is aware that Dianne Feinstein will not be running for another term.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)We like Katie Porter so were giving her a pass on this. Personally I hope she runs and wins.
Just pointing out the double standard
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)You are misinformed.
There is no double standards here as *everyone* in California understands the score.
But do go on.
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)She has my vote. We'll have to see who else runs, but right now she's my favorite.
Schiff is a nonstarter with me.
Turbineguy
(37,337 posts)marieo1
(1,402 posts)You go, Girl..........you will be great for our government and our country!!
Sky Jewels
(7,107 posts)Go Katie!
station agent
(385 posts)RandySF
(58,874 posts)LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)Presidential in 2030! Go Katie go!
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Hope they don't have to compete.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)That doesnt matter though if Porter is running. At this point, her seat is up for grabs. I hope theres a viable Dem in her district.
RandySF
(58,874 posts)CaptainTruth
(6,592 posts)I want to believe Katie did the right thing & talked to Feinstein & coordinated their plans.
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)doing what's right.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)She should have resigned her seat years ago.
Hekate
(90,705 posts)
who would make great Senators. I hadnt thought of Katie Porter because my eyes been on Swallwell and Schiff, but why not Katie? She and Elizabeth Warren would be dynamite in the Senate.
The upcoming campaign season should be really interesting. My biggest regret is that since House members have to run every 2 years, theres no choice but to give up their House seat in advance of the Senate vote.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)Sky Jewels
(7,107 posts)So rude!!!
ZonkerHarris
(24,228 posts)Porter for senate!
beaglelover
(3,486 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)As for the House seat, she may have someone in mind that Dems can beginning prepping.
There is enough time to do just that.
Nictuku
(3,614 posts)If Adam Schiff is running as well as Katie, I would have a hard time choosing. I like them both. I also like Swallwell.
I am assuming this would be for DiFi's seat.
I don't know much about Sen Padilla, even though I voted for him (vs a Republican)
I would LOVE California to be represented by BOTH Porter and Schiff (or even Swallwell)
mcar
(42,334 posts)(although one expects she will).
As Rep. Schiff said (paraphrasing), "who announces a Senate primary run when your state is in the middle of an extreme crisis and people are suffering, even dying."
This is tacky, to say the least.
Irishxs
(622 posts)I dont live in California, but I am oh so happy to read this announcement!!
shanti
(21,675 posts)since she entered the political arena. Super bright and down to earth. She would make a great Senator and I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)I love both Porter and Schiff - Please dont make me choose
Celerity
(43,393 posts)OverBurn
(950 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)I'm not committing to anyone until I see everyone who else is running. There's s a long way to go yet.
Emile
(22,771 posts)She will make a great senator.
Stargleamer
(1,989 posts)Barbara Lee, Ted Lieu or Adam Schiff want to run and then let them have it
LiberalFighter
(50,942 posts)Not everyone gets on board for the same reason or reasons.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)women senators who helped bring her along. But quite simply her fractious, self promoting behaviors on the job have raised flags about her judgment and suitability. It happens. And while congressmen are accountable and generally controllable, which has been an unpleasant learning experience for Porter, U.S. senators are not. Remember Sinema's unaccountability to both the party AND those who elected her?
Those enthusiastic about Porter should also remember how much many of them admired Tulsi Gabbard's fractious, oppositional behaviors while a Democrat, seeing them and her public troublemaking as signs of integrity. (!) Remember what we learned about this brief soaring Democratic star after she finished self destructing in our firmament -- once she didn't have to woo Democrats in her home district.
Of course Porter's principles are better established, no worry that she's going to sell out to billionaires and become a regular on Fox, but what's it mean that she twice endorsed angry, fractious Nina Turner, who advised people not to vote for Democrats in 2016 (!!!) and considers the mainstream Democratic agenda that 80M mainstream voters really do want "half a bowl of shit?" Against Shontel Brown.
We know some people here are drawn by the oppositional behaviors those mentioned all share, but it's smart to realize going in that most Democrats are not. Two are gone, and a third would be if only we could.
Porter is going to lose to formidable mainstream competitors who in general epitomize the principles and goals of the Democratic platform, who've been working to make it happen for years. Democracy working as it should until and if she proves herself to the people to be what they want for the job.
betsuni
(25,532 posts)Brand New Congress/Justice Democrats.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to win friends and influence the 80M-strong Democratic mainstream whose choices these far-left groups are trying to use outsider money to defeat in elections. To put it mildly! It's disturbing that it's become stronger, or more open. Has she noted the growing rejection of extremism by voters yet? In particular voters who are voting Democratic?
I just watched her announcement for senate and her appearance on O'Donnell. She didn't mention being a Democrat, and specifically did not differentiate Democrats from Republicans as she repeatedly spoke of broken Washington and what congress has done wrong for years.
betsuni
(25,532 posts)I keep seeing people saying/insinuating that Democrats lose elections because they're not progressive enough, as if voters carefully study the two party's policies and can't see a difference so go with Republicans or don't vote, or that everyone's corrupt. In 2023 they can't see a difference!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The dangerous wave of extremism that's threatened everyone's future wellbeing needs to become part of our past as soon as possible.
The Democratic Party is America's liberal and progressive party.
We can be better, but those who imagine that anti-Democratic and anti-democratic antagonists could take it over and make it more progressive will be extremely fortunate not to have gotten what they thought they wanted. Extremists are basically dysfunctional nuts. Their zealous certainty fools some, including themselves, but they cannot be progressive and always fail when they try.
napi21
(45,806 posts)I wish there were more politicians liske her in government.
eleny
(46,166 posts)oldsoftie
(12,548 posts)Actually LONG past time. nobody wants to talk about it but it is what it is
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)on the other hand, hitting the ground on a campaign like this in California takes a long time.
Actually, I imagined Feinstein would find a need to resign sooner than the next election campaign season, so that Porter could be appointed by our Governor. I also imagined a list of contenders vying for the office and appealing to Newsom for that appointmen, making it extremely difficult.
Speculating that maybe the reason why Porter had to throw her hat in the ring at this time.
She'll certainly have my vote. I love Porter.