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On Weisselberg's 5 month sentence (Original Post) live love laugh Jan 2023 OP
Rikers is no picnic. RandySF Jan 2023 #1
He's going to have a bad time there... LuckyCharms Jan 2023 #3
He'll be in protective custody most likely. Mr.Bill Jan 2023 #12
Not for very, though Alpeduez21 Jan 2023 #26
You're going to have a bad time Ray Bruns Jan 2023 #27
says who/why? quakerboy Jan 2023 #32
Says me. I typed the response. That means it's my opinion. LuckyCharms Jan 2023 #34
Good. paleotn Jan 2023 #13
Weisselberg pled guilty and fully cooperated with prosecutors. More details on CNN. emulatorloo Jan 2023 #2
Bullshit SoCalDavidS Jan 2023 #4
100% correct, gab13by13 Jan 2023 #10
Cohen Got A 3 Year Sentence SoCalDavidS Jan 2023 #17
"Too much caution turns into immunity," Adam Schiff. gab13by13 Jan 2023 #19
Could be mistaken, but I checked the recommend list for our "wait and see friends, didn't see any. msfiddlestix Jan 2023 #41
not even with a confession from him and a recording of him on a call to the s.o.s. of georgia Fullduplexxx Jan 2023 #58
His deal specifically specified that he wouldn't implicate tfg. Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #55
1000 days at Rikers, 700 in solitary WAITING for trial? TigressDem Jan 2023 #5
The truth malaise Jan 2023 #8
Nor equal protection, that is reserved. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #22
What a terrible tragedy. No word, really. Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #25
Traitortrump hasn't spent a day in jail for any of the crimes he HAS committed. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2023 #47
"Trump has denied wrongdoing and said the lawsuit is politically motivated." Jarqui Jan 2023 #6
Disgusting Native Jan 2023 #7
White collar criminals have rarely suffered significant punishment in this country necause Lonestarblue Jan 2023 #9
Well...Epstein got a very light sentence Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #28
Not "the Royals." ShazzieB Jan 2023 #49
And then he got dead, while incarcerated MyMission Jan 2023 #53
Yeah, the filthy rich have their own organized crime syndicate it seems Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #60
Will he still be able to sign checks in prison? gab13by13 Jan 2023 #11
Good One! SoCalDavidS Jan 2023 #18
Know you're joking but thought NY banned Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #43
2 judicial systems.... paleotn Jan 2023 #14
Will he still get his raises and bonuses? Deuxcents Jan 2023 #15
It's a joke. A very bad joke. We are broken in holding rich white fuckers accountable. n/t Evolve Dammit Jan 2023 #16
And Weaselburg is still getting paid COL Mustard Jan 2023 #20
5 months is easy compared to going against a global crime mob. nt wiggs Jan 2023 #21
5 months is disgustingly weak for 15 years of tax fraud... LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #23
Horrible situation. Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #24
Yeah, that's total BS. I hope he's miserable. He will probably side employment and license Martin68 Jan 2023 #29
Fuck. progressoid Jan 2023 #30
Injustice causing the rot that "conservatives" will die for. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2023 #31
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: alterfurz Jan 2023 #42
"Justice for all" and "equal protection under the law" are just marketing slogans. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2023 #33
Good point. Never thought of it like that., but yeah of course that's true.n/t msfiddlestix Jan 2023 #39
Marketing slogans,.. magicarpet Jan 2023 #48
There was no problem going after him Meowmee Jan 2023 #35
It's truly a crime syndicate. live love laugh Jan 2023 #36
Who in hell would go to jail for Trump? Emile Jan 2023 #37
And this is the plain cold truth of our justice system in the U.S.A. msfiddlestix Jan 2023 #38
The Police and the Justice, laughing as they bust us. They've got to get down. Marcuse Jan 2023 #40
He's not getting 5 months. With good behavior will be less:( Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #44
Don't forget that Weisselberg is an old dude, 75 to be exact Warpy Jan 2023 #45
In a month? Two tops? Pfffft live love laugh Jan 2023 #46
I knew people who survived stretches on Riker's Island Warpy Jan 2023 #51
I'm sure the longer the stay the less pleasant their memories. live love laugh Jan 2023 #52
It didn't matter Warpy Jan 2023 #56
Two Americas. WarGamer Jan 2023 #50
Broken record here... Thunderbeast Jan 2023 #54
The rich who push outrageous policies that hurt the public have no fear harumph Jan 2023 #57
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Jan 2023 #59

Alpeduez21

(1,751 posts)
26. Not for very, though
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 09:10 PM
Jan 2023

I can do 100 days standing on my head. Put your head down. Shut up. Stay in protective custody. It's not a big deal. Read books and pace the yard during your 1 hour. Next thing you know it's back to the Hamptons. This guy got off easy

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
32. says who/why?
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:55 AM
Jan 2023

He still has money. Money buys favors. And he will likely be protected.


Unless you think there are enough MAGA's there to cause a problem for someone they think betrayed the orange one.

LuckyCharms

(17,444 posts)
34. Says me. I typed the response. That means it's my opinion.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 03:11 AM
Jan 2023

Because Rikers is extremely violent and rife with staffing issues and security failures.

It is yet to be seen whether he will be "protected".

Also, he's 75 years old I believe. It's a harsh environment for anyone, let alone someone his age who is used to living a charmed life.

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
2. Weisselberg pled guilty and fully cooperated with prosecutors. More details on CNN.
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 06:46 PM
Jan 2023
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/10/politics/allen-weisselberg-sentencing-trump-organization/index.html

He pleaded guilty last August to 15 felonies in a deal with prosecutors. As part of the deal, he was required to testify truthfully at the trial of the Trump Organization, pay $2 million in back taxes, interest and penalties, and waive any right to appeal.

Weisselberg admitted he should have paid taxes on off-the-books compensation, totaling roughly $200,000 in one year, which included a luxury Manhattan apartment overlooking the Hudson River, two Mercedes Benz car leases, parking, utilities, furniture and private school tuition for his grandchildren.

Judge Juan Merchan on Tuesday said had he not already promised a five-month sentence to Weisselberg, he would have issued a stiffer sentence "much greater" than five months after listening to evidence at trial.

Snip

The sentencing caps one long-running investigation -- but it comes as the Manhattan district attorney's office continues to investigate the Trump Organization. Prosecutors are conducting a wide-ranging investigation involving the accuracy of the companies' financial statements, and in recent months its focus has returned to the company's involvement in hush-money payments made to silence adult film star Stormy Daniels from going public with an affair with Trump just before the 2016 election, people familiar with the matter said. Trump has denied the affair.

Weisselberg's legal woes are not over. He is also a defendant in a $250 million civil lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who has alleged Trump, his three eldest children, Weisselberg and others defrauded lenders, insurers and tax authorities by inflating the value of multiple Trump Organization properties for more than a decade. Trump has denied wrongdoing and said the lawsuit is politically motivated.


SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
4. Bullshit
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 06:50 PM
Jan 2023

He protected his boss, who by the way, was still paying him while he was testifying. I'm sure he'll be compensated nicely for his "sacrifice."

gab13by13

(21,351 posts)
10. 100% correct,
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 07:30 PM
Jan 2023

Michael Cohen said today that Weisselberg perjured himself on the stand to protect Trump's fat ass.

5 month sentence is shameful, he not only did not cooperate, he lied on the stand, prosecutors should have asked for a stiffer sentence because of that.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
17. Cohen Got A 3 Year Sentence
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 07:53 PM
Jan 2023

Meanwhile, DOJ can't seem to get enough evidence to indict Teflon Man for jack shit.

But we're reminded here daily about how extensive and complex the "investigation" is, and just be patient.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
41. Could be mistaken, but I checked the recommend list for our "wait and see friends, didn't see any.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 09:51 AM
Jan 2023

Our Rock-Solid, Air-Tight -wait and see friends, ignore this fact.

Don't know why. Maybe it's true faith albeit delusional.

Just remember the facts in this OP. There is no other answer except the obvious. Apparently it needs to be repeated over and over again. If and When they should ever stop defending this very broken and corrupt system, and use their influence to help change things, maybe just maybe faith can be restored.



Fullduplexxx

(7,863 posts)
58. not even with a confession from him and a recording of him on a call to the s.o.s. of georgia
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 04:53 PM
Jan 2023

i remember being told i was just too ignorant in the ways of the justice dept . Judge Juan Merchan on Tuesday said had he not already promised a five-month sentence to Weisselberg, he would have issued a stiffer sentence "much greater" than five months after listening to evidence at trial. more b.s.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
5. 1000 days at Rikers, 700 in solitary WAITING for trial?
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 06:52 PM
Jan 2023

YEAH the difference in how America Justice is delivered is really BLACK and WHITE.

UN F-ing believable.

https://www.uml.edu/news/stories/2019/cj_panel.aspx

Kalief Browder was 16 years old when he was sent to Rikers Island, an infamous detention center in New York City, on a charge of stealing a book bag. 

Browder spent more than 1,000 days there awaiting trial – including 700 days in solitary confinement – because he refused to plead guilty to a crime he didn’t commit.

After prosecutors finally dropped the charge in 2013, Browder earned his GED and began attending community college. But in 2015, after three psychiatric hospitalizations and two previous suicide attempts, he hanged himself.


Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
6. "Trump has denied wrongdoing and said the lawsuit is politically motivated."
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 07:05 PM
Jan 2023

Then why can't Weisselberg refute their evidence conveying conviction beyond reasonable doubt?
Why does Weisselberg plead guilty to all 15 charges if it is just a political witch hunt?

Rhetorical questions.

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
9. White collar criminals have rarely suffered significant punishment in this country necause
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 07:14 PM
Jan 2023

white collar also usually means white people doing the crimes. We have two systems of justice in this country, yet conservatives still claim that we have no systemic racism. Try telling that to poor people in Alabama or Mississippi who do not get quality healthcare. We have systemic racism in nearly every facet of life here.

Farmer-Rick

(10,182 posts)
28. Well...Epstein got a very light sentence
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 09:36 PM
Jan 2023

For sex trafficking in Florida. That's not considered white collar crime. And he was selling white girls and women into slavery. So I guess white girls don't get that privilege of avoiding real jail time either.

So, I guess only filthy rich white men get that extra special leniency. The Royals and Epstein's buddy Trump never were held accountable for their involvement in sex trafficking and probably never will.

ShazzieB

(16,412 posts)
49. Not "the Royals."
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 02:47 PM
Jan 2023
ONE royal: Prince Andrew, who was buddy-buddy with Epstein. And his mother, the Queen, all but disowned him when it hit the fan. No, he hasn't and won't go to jail, but he has had to face consequences that seem trivial to us but are a BFD to someone in his position. Not to mention the lawsuit, which was settled out of court for an unspecified (presumably very large) sum of money, a HUGE amount of publicity, and public disgrace.

He's a scuzz, imo, but there's no indication that any other royals were involved.

MyMission

(1,850 posts)
53. And then he got dead, while incarcerated
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 03:17 PM
Jan 2023

But the circumstances surrounding his death are suspicious.

Yes, filthy rich white men get extra leniency, but they are still at risk in jail, prison, or at home. If someone wants them dead there's a good chance that will happen.

Farmer-Rick

(10,182 posts)
60. Yeah, the filthy rich have their own organized crime syndicate it seems
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:29 PM
Jan 2023

With all the money in the world to do whatever they want, they chose to commit pedophilia and other horrendous crimes.

If I were filthy rich, I could find a lot more interesting and wholesome things to do to be sure.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
43. Know you're joking but thought NY banned
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 11:09 AM
Jan 2023

Him from working for trump crime org? Or is that only if they lose case?

COL Mustard

(5,899 posts)
20. And Weaselburg is still getting paid
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 08:26 PM
Jan 2023

Somewhere north of $600k. My rosy red ass he gave them everything he had.

Martin68

(22,803 posts)
29. Yeah, that's total BS. I hope he's miserable. He will probably side employment and license
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 11:04 PM
Jan 2023

complications because of his conviction.

alterfurz

(2,474 posts)
42. "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:20 AM
Jan 2023

There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." -- Frank Wilhoit

magicarpet

(14,154 posts)
48. Marketing slogans,..
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:52 PM
Jan 2023

... AKA engineered and/or manufactured perceptions. Making one believe what you want them to believe because it advances your goals and agendas,.. although it might not necessarily be true and fully accurate.

..... AKA Perception Management - the advanced science of propaganda and PSYOP.Ì

Psychological operations (PSYOP) are operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States)

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
35. There was no problem going after him
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 03:20 AM
Jan 2023

prosecuting him, and now sentencing him to prison, albeit only for 5 months... when if ever will the powers that be hold accountable he and those who are really responsible for all of this(not only tax fraud but everything) and for the murders of millions of Americans and others.

I don't believe from what I heard he gave huge information on anyone.

Is this the best that can be done? If so it is a joke.

Dumpster was protected for years against any investigations and prosecutions for tax fraud and for everything else.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
38. And this is the plain cold truth of our justice system in the U.S.A.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 09:34 AM
Jan 2023

These words bear repeating and pounded into the heads of the elite among us.

Because THIS is the reality, and until Rock Solid Air Tight Evidence to the contrary it shall remain the truth.

Two Americas. And a reminder that a system cannot fail those it was never meant to protect, and that a system will always protect those it was never meant to fail.








Warpy

(111,267 posts)
45. Don't forget that Weisselberg is an old dude, 75 to be exact
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:45 PM
Jan 2023

Riker's is a tough place for guys in their 20s and 30s. It might kill him off, and if it doesn't, he'll emerge a broken man.

He might even be less loyal to TFG and start talking.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
51. I knew people who survived stretches on Riker's Island
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 03:11 PM
Jan 2023

They did not remember the place fondly, no matter how long they were there.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
56. It didn't matter
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 03:48 PM
Jan 2023

It's a rough place. Weisselberg is going to get an attitude adjustment, at the very least.

Thunderbeast

(3,416 posts)
54. Broken record here...
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 03:26 PM
Jan 2023

My friend, Yutico was falsely convicted of a $103 robbery and sentenced to 60 years with no parole. He was released and exonerated after serving eight years. HE ABSOLUTELY did not commit the crime. It was a case of prosecutor's malfeasance and defense attorney malpractice.

Do I have to mention that he was a black teenager wearing a hoodie?

harumph

(1,900 posts)
57. The rich who push outrageous policies that hurt the public have no fear
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 03:57 PM
Jan 2023

because the system almost always shelters them from serious repercussions.
They will continue to undermine our political culture as long as they have no fear.
Who or what body will instill this righteous fear - our justice system? As long as
there are safe spaces for cockroaches, they'll thrive.

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