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CNN has become a clone of Fox News under the new management team
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https://www.mediamatters.org/cnn/cnn-rushed-scandalize-new-reporting-classified-documents-found-former-biden-office
fter news broke that classified documents from his vice presidential days had been found in President Joe Biden’s former office, CNN rushed to sensationalize the story and drew inaccurate parallels to the FBI’s retrieval of documents held by former President Donald Trump at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.
On Monday night between when the news broke and 11 p.m., CNN dedicated 1 hour and 47 minutes of coverage to the story, more than sevenfold MSNBC’s 14 minutes of coverage and over three and a half times Fox News’ 29 minutes.
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From the January 9, 2023, edition of CNN's Erin Burnett OutFront
Burnett then brought out CNN correspondent Jamie Gangel, who while mentioning the differences between the Trump story and Biden’s, framed the news as “a political nightmare for the Biden administration” and “politically something that the Republicans and Donald Trump are going to make hay in.”
In response to a question from Burnett about “how much of a gift” and how “transformational” the new story is for Trump, Gangel stated that this is “a huge political gift for Trump." And despite the distinct differences between the documents found at Trump’s home and Biden’s office, Gangel posited that “it is going to be very important for Justice [Department], and as much as the National Archives plays a role here, to really let the public know what was in here. Is that nuance going to cut through? I don’t think so.”
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Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)It represents good reporting on a valid story.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)From the same article cited in OP
In response, anchor Anderson Cooper laughed and replied, “Scott, I haven’t seen you quite so chipper in quite a while.” Quickly after, though, CNN’s other panelist pushed back by clarifying just how different the Trump and Biden investigations are.
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Caliman73
(11,767 posts)There is no reason to discus, What the Republicans are "going to do". We know that. They need to focus on the valid facts of the matter and since we don't know, we should not speculate. Certainly, they shouldn't be discussing what this means to Trump. Who cares? This is not a Trump matter but something the Biden Administration is dealing with. The stories are separate, as I am sure that other Presidents and Vice Presidents throughout history have had some items that should have been turned into the archives. Having it doesn't matter as much as how you safeguard it, and what you do when the Archive asks for it back. That is what Trump is in trouble for, not for mistakenly having some documents from a transition.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)The media doesn't exist to be cheerleaders for our party or our president (who I happen to love).
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)My interpretation of the clip shown in the OP is different from yours.
The framing of the information and context in which it is communicated is important.
To my interpretation, the host and guest were focused on the controversy.
Rachel Maddow presented the information as well and simply said, that there was a uproar among people on the right over the story, then proceeded to provide all of the facts regarding the finding of the documents, the reporting to the National Archives, the return of the documents, and then said that if there were anymore or different details, there would be more reporting.
It is simply my opinion, that how the issue was presented in that clip was poor. I have no problem with you having a different opinion and interpretation.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)That was the focus of their coverage. I tuned in last night and watched for myself.
It was precisely the sort of coverage a responsible news operation should provide, including how Biden's team is handling things very differently that Trump.
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)I watched the coverage too. Had a different opinion.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)You're always quick to defend them, even when they're being the typical Republican water carriers that they've always been.
treestar
(82,383 posts)We expect more fairness, not carrying water for Republicans as they do.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)moondust
(21,283 posts)yesterday had a panel of at least six going on and on about those documents. Today his first topic after the press Q&A in Mexico was not immigration or the other big issues there but...those documents. 
I know Wolf is close with Israel but has he, too, gone off the right wing deep end with the Israelis?
mcar
(45,964 posts)WTAF is this?
now has the most far-right government it has ever had. Wolf is very close to Israel but I don't know how much influence they have on him.
mcar
(45,964 posts)
John1956PA
(4,951 posts)I was disappointed by Wolf when, in 2020, the Dem Iowa caucus results were not in within 24 hours. He made it sound like this had never happened before. He apparently did not know that, in 2012, the Rethugs gave the Iowa caucus call to Romney which propelled him to win New Hampshire, and soon thereafter gave the Iowa call to Santorum when it was too late to help him, then, in June, gave the Iowa call to Ron Paul. In fairness to Wolf, I think that his producers give him marching orders. I have lost faith in CNN.
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)It is THE MEDIA that provides the "nuance". They are acting like, "there is nothing we can do about this... Republicans are going to play partisan politics with it...." Yeah, and you know how that PARTISAN messaging is going to get out? The media giving the story oxygen.
Look, if President Biden did something wrong, if he compromised national security, if he abused his power, then shit yeah we need to know. What we ABSOLUTELY DO NOT need to do, is allow Republicans to control the narrative. How about waiting till we know what the documents were, how the administration responded, and whether there is anything there that is a scandal.
You don't have to go "Hair on Fire" with a story that is ONLY relevant because the former president is a fucking criminal.
I am not going to say that CNN is a "Fox Clone". That is silly to me. They are however, shitty journalists. They care more about the "horse race" and partisanship than they do about facts and actually informing the American people about what is going on.
Fox on the other hand is straight up, lie to your face, Conservative propaganda.
iemanja
(57,750 posts)anything that might embarrass Democrats should be made illegal to cover.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,683 posts)The way things are covered matters. It has tremendous influence on the inattentive voting public.
iemanja
(57,750 posts)Because when I did they took great pains to explain how the situation between Trump's documents case and Biden's are very different.
The post I responded to said CNN was being like Fox simply by covering the story at all, by "giving it oxygen." Every news source in the country is covering it. The idea that there is something wrong with any media outlet that does is unrealistic and contains a demand to censor news from the public. That poster demanded the American people don't "need to know" about the story period unless it's discovered Biden did something wrong. In other words, the networks should keep silent and instead allow the Republicans to tell the public about it--because none of you can stop the GOP from what it's doing
DU after all, has advanced this story non-stop and thereby "given it oxygen." This very thread does that.
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)We are an internet forum with maybe 3 million visitors a month. I know Thom Hartmann mentions us from time to time, but we aren't on anyone's radar. We aren't "advancing" anything. We are discussing an issue and may continue to do so, even as this story becomes a dead end.
We are a discussion group and we discuss and give our opinions about things. I actually agree with you that the way the original poster framed the issue was not good. I answered as much in my response saying it is silly to compare CNN to Fox.
That said, I watched the coverage too and came away with a different idea. The way that some of the pundits at CNN frame their stories provides unnecessary weight and importance to stories that while valid, are not worthy of the level of coverage and importance they get. CNN appears to be more interested in the controversy than in actually reporting the factual information.
While I know that Rachel Maddow has bias, I actually think that she did an excellent job reporting on the situation, providing the facts as they are known, and some context (that people on the right were in an uproar about the situation). She did not go into any long winded discussion about the situation or give it any more time than she needed to. She simply said, as more information becomes available, we will report as needed.
The American people absolutely need to know and hear what the story is. What they don't need to be exposed to is a panel of people saying how "bad" this is and what a gift it is to Trump. They don't need to hear anything about "both sides" or any comparison.
As I said in other posts on this topic. This is something (documents being mistakenly taken) that happens every single day with government employees. What also happens is exactly what happened with President Biden. He found out the error, contacted the appropriate people, and resolved the issue.
When you present only two, extreme options, that is not an argument in good faith. There is a middle ground between keeping silent about an issue, and dedicating hours of discussion panels to a minor story.
I do not think that CNN is like Fox in any way. The comparison is ridiculous. I also think that CNN has too breathlessly embraced this minor story and as a larger cable news outlet, is providing too much oxygen for something that could have been factually reported on one 5 minute segment, then moved on.
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)I love rational discussion of differences of opinion.
Thank you for addressing ANY of the points that I made in my response.
iemanja
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grumpyduck
(6,672 posts)Sensationalism sells ad time. And it will NOT be a political nightmare for Biden as much as the media may hope it helps them sell ad time.
Sensationalism sells.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)mitch96
(15,797 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
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Cha
(318,802 posts)Link to tweet
Glad to hear "some news outlets are being responsible".. like to know which ones?
TY for the tweet, LMPV.. been passing it around..
Just A Box Of Rain
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emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I did not realize the chart was from CNN, but it tracks their on-air stories (including the one linked in the OP).
iemanja
(57,750 posts)Only CNN said there were 10 documents found in Biden's former office, and that he IMMEDIATELY turned them over to the National Archive.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)rather than watching the actual coverage (which has been excellent) with their own eyes.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,683 posts)tell us how CNN is not coddling republicons, or hurting Democrats.
I'm frankly sick of seeing that swift automatic defense of rightwing and "both-sides" bullshit on what is supposed to be a democratic liberal website.
Celerity
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FoxNewsSucks
(11,683 posts)So predictable, and disgusting.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)that's purportedly for liberal Democrats like myself.
And the grave dancing. Yuck!
FoxNewsSucks
(11,683 posts)just like the "cool kids" don't need to identify themselves, and the smart people don't go around self-identifying as such, I have never felt the need to constantly label myself regarding my political leanings. It's quite obvious, and not at all hidden.
But then, when it's true, it's not necessary. And when it's questionable, it just makes readers wonder who is supposed to be convinced - reader or writer.
But I'm sure you've also noticed the same thing over the years.
Just A Box Of Rain
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MrsCoffee
(5,825 posts)emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)https://news.yahoo.com/cnn-staff-fears-wing-billionaire-233521411.html
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CNN insiders tell Confider that staffers cannot shake the feeling the shocking move was made to appease John Malone, a right-leaning billionaire, close friend of the Murdoch family, and key Warner Bros. Discovery board member who has made it well-known that he would like CNN to be more “centrist”—whatever that means.
While Malone has denied he is “directly involved” in any decisions about CNN, multiple current and former staffers who spoke to us relayed a fear that the libertarian mogul is indirectly dictating an agenda to newly installed CNN boss Chris Licht.
Sources further suggested that internal fears about future changes stem from how Licht has kept his cards close to his chest, with members of his own management team being left in the dark about next moves.
Why billionaire John Malone’s shadow looms over CNN
One of the world’s most powerful news outlets has a new mandate — which happens to sync with the views of one of the world’s richest men.
By Peter Kafka Aug 26, 2022, 9:30am EDT
https://www.vox.com/2022/8/26/23322761/cnn-john-malone-david-zaslav-chris-licht-brian-stelter-fox-peter-kafka-column
Most of those changes have yet to manifest. But one of the first ones — canceling its long-running Reliable Sources show and pushing out anchor Brian Stelter — has already unsettled some CNN employees and viewers.
But the bigger question floating over one of the world’s largest and most important news organizations is why it’s changing. Is it because the CEO of Warner Bros. Discovery, its new owner, wants an overhaul? Or is it at the behest of a conservative billionaire investor in the company who sits on its board?
Much more at links.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)(The Free Beacon) and turned it into a bogus viral conspiracy (that far too many have swallowed whole cloth).
Lachlan Cartwright was the Executive Editor of the National Enquirer and wrote for a host of right wing Murdoch papers.
In the lined article he cites the far-right Daily Caller and and the Tucker Carlson-founded Daily Caller as sources.
Perhaps vetting sources might help?
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)and Lachlan Cartwright has a long history of editing and writing for a series of very right wing publications.
Bad show.
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)If Yahoo made a mistake take it up with them.
Of course the Daily Mail and Daily Caller are right wing. Don’t
Is the New Yorker is also “right wing’?
CNN’s Problems Are Bigger Than Jeff Zucker
How an upcoming merger at WarnerMedia could upend life at the cable news network.
By Clare Malone
https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-communications/cnns-problems-are-bigger-than-jeff-zucker
Go ahead and keep pretending Trump loving billionaire John Malone is not an issue at CNN.
But please refrain from trying to smear me as someone who indiscriminately cites rightwing sources, because that is not true.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)The Daily Mail and Daily Caller are right wing. The National Enquirer, a paper where Lachlan Cartwright was the Executive Editor and the (several) Murdoch owned rags he's written for are all right wing.
Know your sources.
The conspiracy theory is entirely bogus.
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)The Daily Mail is not THE DAILY BEAST.
The Daily Caller is not THE DAILY BEAST.
Yes they all have the word Daily in them.
Stop insinuating that I cite rightwing sites that I don’t site.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I'm more than aware that the The Daily Mail and the The Daily Caller are not THE DAILY BEAST, nor is the Free Beacon, but this right-wing journalist uses those right-wing outlets as sources.
More vetting is in order.
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)or the Daily Mail or any other rightwing source as that is an outright lie.
Here is the direct link to the Daily Beast
https://www.thedailybeast.com/cnn-staff-fears-right-wing-billionaire-john-malone-will-turn-it-into-a-dumpster-fire
Thanks for the background on Cartwright.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)conspiracy theory article in the Daily Beast then cited the Daily Mail and the Daily Caller in this one.
I never said (or intimated) that *you* cited the Daily Caller, rather that Lachlan Cartwright, a reporter with a long history of writing for right-wing publications, wrote the article you linked and he cites right-wing sources.
Which is true.
It is a good idea to vet sources when then try to spin wild conspiracy theories.
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)
Have a good week.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I made no such claim about you.
It is entirely correct to point out the sources of this conspiracy theory, which did come from right-wing (and far-right) sources.
Am I correct in thinking you are now aware of Lachlan Cartwright's resume, and the number of right-wing tabloids that he has edited and written for? Do you consider him a good source when he relies on outfits like the Free Beacon, Daily Mail, and Daily Caller?
I do not.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)that hardly represents a shift to the "dark side."
CNN seems like it has been improving under Licht's leadership. Did you watch the specials on J6 or on Giuliani or their daily fare?
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)These are lies and inventions.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)If you trust the RWNJ running CNN, then watch that channel. I also never watch Fox New but soon CNN will be just like Fox. I like the truth and unbiased coverage and I only watched CNN to watch Reliable Sources. I was taping this show when Jonathon Capehart was live.
I remember well the last episode of Relible Sources. It was clear why CNN canceled that show
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Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)What is new, is that too many on the left have been sucked in by a phoney right-wing originated conspiracy theory (and one that is aging very poorly).
I know you believe it is reasonable to criticise coverage you don't self-admittedly do watch, but...
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)The right wing has been part and parcel of the network for decades now. They're always so...concerned...about how things will affect the r thugs. Always running with the r thugs' slimeball narratives, above and beyond anything related to plain old reporting.
They've been doing that crap forever, but some out there are like the proverbial frog in the pot that's had the temperature turned up and up and then up even more for so long that they don't realize they're being conditioned to ignore that they're being burned.
The rest of us know when to get out of the pot--and did, a very long time ago.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)iemanja
(57,750 posts)Any news source that covers a Republican perspective or hires a Republican like Adam Kinzinger should be shut down immediately. Where is the military anyway?
iemanja
(57,750 posts)So true.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Burnett called it "apples and oranges" in the linked clip.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)The CNN conspiracy theory is entirely bogus.
Sad to see people falling for it.
iemanja
(57,750 posts)They find these outrage tweets and deliberately ignore the context.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)claims.
Do people even watch the things they post? The videos show CNN anchors applying nuance and using terms like "apples and oranges."
What do people expect? That CNN will ignore a breaking story because it isn't great press for a president I happen to love?
It isn't the job of a free press to operate as partisan cheerleaders.
CNN is covering this story responsibly, and is providing nuance.
iemanja
(57,750 posts)In the 20 or so minutes I watched it.
The crime they committed, from what I read here, is that they covered the story at all. "Real news" buries anything that might be embarrassing to Democrats and vehemently attacks the GOP. Nothing else is acceptable.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)The difference is that we understand the message that John Malone and the new owners of CNN are trying to send. You may be comfortable with a TFG supporter like John Malone changing CNN into a Fox clone, but I am not comfortable watching either Fox News or its new clone, CNN
BTW, I also cancelled my subscription to the NYT a long time ago. I was amused that CNN thinks that Maggie Haberman is an actual journalist
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iemanja
(57,750 posts)that CNN is their channel now. Imagine this: they still hate it!
CNN had Maggie Haberman on?!!!!! OMG!!! How traumatic. I heard she even writes for the New York Times, another publication that comes straight from MAGA.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Saying untruthful things repeatedly doesn't change reality. Sorry.
And John Malone neither owns nor runs CNN.
The CEO of Discovery/Warner, David Zaslav, is a Democrat.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)You are WRONG yet again. Again basic corporate late, presidents report to and follow the directives of the board of directors. John Malone is calling the shots and CNN has become a Fox News clone because that is what Malone wants.
Denying reality will not change reality
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Seriously man?
I'd suggest not doing down conspiracy theory rabbit holes without weighing the coverage for yourself.
CNN went into the differences between Biden's approach and Trump's at great length yesterday, in direct contravention of the claims made in Tweets.
"Denying reality will not change reality" is a good lesson to abide by. It really is.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)You are welcomed to be poorly informed. You are also free to ignore the facts about CNN becoming a clone of Fox News if that makes you happy. I also do not watch Fox News for the same reasons that I do not watch CNN.
I am amused that you do not understand that this is a non-story that CNN is trying to blow up.
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CNN is trying to out Fox Which is why CNN is spending more time on this story compared to Fox
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Again, I like having the facts. If you like being poorly informed, please continue to watch CNN
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)but when you pass judgements on things you don't experience and instead rely on "hot takes" lifted from twitter, I don't think it rebounds to your favor.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)The fact that you do not agree with the facts presented is not my problem. I actually understand the law here which is why I was amused about the fact that you evidently did not know that executive officers of corporations report to and follow the directions of the board of directors and major shareholders such as John Malone.
This is not a complicate issue. Rachel Maddow dealt with issues in 3 minutes as compared to amount of coverage from CNN
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Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I could not agree more.
If you think the discovery of these documents is a three minute story, then I'm not sure what to say about that.
Sympthsical
(10,960 posts)When sources that spam tweets from a grifter outfit like Occupy are telling everyone else what media to trust.
But that's just me.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Again, the only CNN show that I used to watch was Reliable Sources. The cancellation of that show was a great indication of the changes that John Malone and other TFG supporters are going to make to CNN
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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/08/brian-stelter-canceled-cnn-reliable-sources
What I can tell you, based on my own recent reporting, is that Licht isn’t making any of these changes in a vacuum. Zaslav has been closely involved in driving Warner Bros. Discovery’s vision for CNN, doubling down on its traditional global news-gathering function and moving away from the partisan reputation it garnered—fairly or not—during the Trump years. Hence all the talk of diversifying CNN’s contributor ranks, and the olive branches to Republicans, which Licht handed out recently on a romp through Capitol Hill. “I think they share a vision for CNN,” an insider who knows both men told me. “But at the end of the day, Licht is executing his vision on how to get there. No one is telling him what to do or how it works.” Whether Stelter’s exit augurs any additional shake-ups is yet to be seen, but we won’t have to wait long: Licht is expected to put more of a stamp on the network come fall.
You may be happy that a TFG supporter is calling the shots at CNN. That is your right but pretending that CNN has not been moving to become a clone of Fox News is wrong.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)The bad part about FOX is that they lie shamelessly. Let's not emulate them.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)The CEO of Discovery/Warner is a Democrat.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)You are again WRONG. John Malone as a major shareholder can force management to "put a new stamp" on CNN's coverage includnig firing people like John Harwood who had the gall to call out TFG.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)John Harwood's exit was months in the making before he gave his anti-Trump speech on air as his parting appearance.
He was not "fired" over that parting appearance, as has been falsely suggested by many.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)You are wrong yet again. Since you do NOT understand how corporations work, let me enlighten you. This is very basic corporate law. The officers of a corporation report to and are governed by a group called the board of directors. In Texas law, the board of directors is the "governing authority" of a corporation. The governing authority or board of directors in turn report to the owners of the entity. Here is the relevant section of the Delaware General Corporation Law on this issue https://delcode.delaware.gov/title8/c001/sc04/
(a) The business and affairs of every corporation organized under this chapter shall be managed by or under the direction of a board of directors, except as may be otherwise provided in this chapter or in its certificate of incorporation. If any such provision is made in the certificate of incorporation, the powers and duties conferred or imposed upon the board of directors by this chapter shall be exercised or performed to such extent and by such person or persons as shall be provided in the certificate of incorporation.
John Malone is both a member of the board and one of the larger stockholders of the entity that owns CNN. CNN under the control of its board of directors and a major stockholder is becoming more conservative
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/john-harwoods-abrupt-exit-adds-fuel-to-supernumberboycottcnn-theres-no-both-sides-to-fascism/ar-AA11szxi?li=BBnb7Kz
"Just uninstalled the @cnn app from my phone. I had it for years," one user tweeted Sunday. "There's no 'both sides' to fascism. Im the daughter of 2 Holocaust survivors."
"The firing of John Harwood on CNN because John Malone major shareholder of the company and a Trump supporter is Another sad day for American award-winning journalists that report the truth to defend our democracy," another tweeted.
Some connected Harwood's departure to Stelter's recent exit, with one noting that both journalists "consistently exposed & Trump's extremism and authoritarianism."
"Firing @brianstelter and now @JohnJHarwood... coupled with what is increasingly feeling like a coordinated effort to push Republican talking points, and 'both sides' fascism, has made it impossible for me to continue to watch," another person wrote Sunday. "So I'm out."
Again, I hope that this explanation of basic corporate law helps.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Thanks anyway.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Rather they are following "the stamp" of Chris Licht, who seems like he's charting precisely the right course as he attempts to raise the journalistic standards at CNN.
I wish him success in his efforts.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)So you approve of CNN becoming a clone of Fox News but disagree who ordered this new "stamp?"
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I am sure that John Malone is very happy with how the "stamp" he ordered is being implemented
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Don't believe everything you read on Twitter.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Please explain how the Fox News headline is different from the CNN headline?
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I'd suggest pondering the meaning.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)That is sad. Luckily there are a good number of people who are now boycotting CNN due to the actions of John Malone. Malone really reminds of Murdoch and it is clear that Malone is a TFG suporter
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Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)That is reality-denialism.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Here is a fun comparison for CNN supporters to ignore or not be able to understand. Last night, Joy Reid destroyed the idiot who Boebert and Chip Roy nominated to be speaker of the House.
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Reid called this idiot out and corrected his facts. CNN then puts the same idiot on and lets this idiot lie through his teeth about the document issue.
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CNN treated this idiot the same way that Fox News treats MAGA republicans and Joy Reid/MSNBC called this idiot out when he lied
Under John Malone, CNN has become a clone of Fox
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)you are commenting on the reporting by a network that you admittedly don't even watch.
But Twitter!
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Again, facts are important. CNN gave a very softball interview of Byron Donalds that was the same type of interview that Donalds would have received on Fox News. In comparison, MSNBC actually asked questions and corrected Donalds lies.
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I am not only one who have noticed that CNN under John Malone has become a clone of Fox News.
Again, you are welcome to your opinion but you are not welcome to your own facts
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)You don't seem to be yourself.
Going down conspiracy theory rabbit-holes isn't a good idea.
Be safe.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)I am still laughing at the concept that some people still believe that CNN is a reliable news source. You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. If you like being poorly informed, go ahead and watch CNN. I like being informed which is one reason the only CNN show that I used to watch was the Reliable Sources.
I cancelled my NYT subscription back during the 2016 race and there is way that I going to watch CNN to see Maggie Haberman lie about everything
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I am also still amused that CNN found some "lawyers" who defended the special master ruling by Judge Cannon. I have followed the litigation regarding the appointment of a special master in the Mar-A-Lago document case by Judge Cannon including reading all of the briefing and listening to the 11th Circuit oral argument in this case. There was NO credible legal theory justifying the appointment of a special master in this case and the DOJ destroyed the TFG legal team's claims in this case. The 11th Circuit twice ruled that Judge Cannon was WRONG in appointing a special master and after the SCOTUS rejected TFG's first appeal in this matter, the TFG did not try to appeal for the final 11th Circuit ruling to the SCOTUS.
The legal issues in this case were clear and only an idiot would agree with the claims made by TFG's attorneys or the ruling by Judge Cannon. CNN got mad that MSNBC had a ton of competent lawyers who all opined that Judge Cannon was WRONG in her ruling and that TFG was going to lose this case. CNN actually found an idiot lawyer who agreed with the TFG attorneys and that idiot was stupid enough to dis the MSNBC attorneys who were later proved right.
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I am amazed that CNN found a lawyer who was stupid enough to agree with Judge Cannon and that CNN put that lawyer and allowed this idiot to dis the competent attorneys who appeared on MSNBC
Under John Malone, CNN has become a clone of Fox
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)and logical fallacies, such as the non-germane insertion of Judge Cannon's bad legal reasoning into this discussion, is without merit.
You are dead wrong about the coverage on CNN (which you admit you don't even watch, yet somehow have stong (and wrongheaded) opinions and judgements to offer.
It is not unlike reviewing films one has not seen, or reviewing books one has not read, based on what one reads on Twitter. Kind of embarrassing, really.
And quoting Keith Olbermann doesn't help your cause one iota.
Be well.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)There have been a ton of facts posted on this thread about CNN moving towards being a Fox clone including CNN finding and putting on air an attorney who actually believed that Judge Cannon's opinion was well reasoned. Presenting Maggie Haberman as a trusted journalist also disqualifies CNN as a news source. You are unable to back your opinion with facts.
Again, you are entitled to your opinion and you are entitled to be poorly informed. If you are comfortable with a network that is being runned by John Malone where Maggie Haberman is considered to be a journalist nd Judge Cannon's opinion was well reasoned, that is your choice. You are not entitled to your own facts and on this thread you are unable to deal with the facts presented.
I am a former college debater and a member of the bar. In the real world, your unsubstantiated opinion is meaningless. In the real world, one presents facts to support their argument and you have failed to do so.
Again, if you believe that Judge Cannon's opinion was well reasoned and that Maggie Haberman is a journalist, then continue watching. CNN. I like facts and I like being well informed.
Just A Box Of Rain
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uninformed opinions. That's funny.
Opinions about Judge Cannon and Maggie Haberman are not germane to this discussion.
There have been no "facts" offered to support the right-wing originated conspiracy theory that CNN has become right-wing themselves. Just a lot of bloviating and disinformation.
You don't watch and claim to be "informed" because you read Twitter? Do you not understand how badly that comes off? Try that in a debate or in a courtroom. You'd get laughed out of the room.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)I do not watch CNN because I do NOT want to be poorly informed. If you like being poorly informed, that is your choice.
Laypersons/non-debaters are amusing when they try to advance arguments with no facts or authority to support their uniformed or lay opinions. The rules of evidence has some fun rules on the use of lay or non-expert opinions in court. Such opinions are not admissible and would never get before a fact finder/jury. Legal briefs and law review/journal articles cite authority for all claims because that is what is required in the real world.
There are a ton of examples of CNN moving to the right. Firing John Harwood, canceling Reliable Sources, CNN spending 4 times on the coverage of the Biden document issue compared to even Fox News, CNN finding a lawyer to agree with the legal reasoning of Judge Cannon, CNN having Maggie Haberman on to attack Biden are simply some of the examples. Go re-read the VOX article cited in this thread. The fact that you do not like these examples is meaningless and just shows that you are unable to defend your claims with facts.
I was amused to see that Media Matters is concerned about one possible reason why Malone and Licht are turning CNN into a clone of Fox. CNN is not a good fit for Discovery and the efforts to turn CNN into a Fox clone would facilitate a sale of CNN to Murdoch.
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On Friday’s edition of The Dean Obeidallah Show, Carusone told the host that he’s rooting for CNN to succeed, but he feels the new direction will fail, and Murdoch will swoop in:
ANGELO CARUSONE: Thing I really am afraid of is that it is honesty that they sell to Rupert Murdoch. I’m terrified of this. It is super, it is his white whale and I think that it doesn’t fit into Discovery’s portfolio in a meaningful way. I’ve always been afraid of this, and the posture of making the platform more appealing, more attractive, more neutral, I think weakens it enough that they say, “Look, it’s just not worth it. We didn’t get the returns on investment. It hasn’t turned the corner yet.” You know, I don’t think they’re going to get the audience gains that they think they’re going to get, which is part of the strategy. And that’s a real problem, too. So at its core, I’m afraid that in the short term, we see some bad coverage out of them, some spots of bad coverage which actually have bigger harms when it comes from CNN. And then bigger… But longer term, I think that it actually weakens the business model of CNN enough that it makes them more susceptible to just being spun off. And that’s not great either.
DEAN OBEIDALLAH: That’s interesting, I never thought about that last one…
ANGELO CARUSONE: So I don’t think people realize how often Rupert Murdoch tries to buy CNN. It happens all the time. He did it and he made a really aggressive, year-long plus play in 2017 and a run at it in 2014. He’s made runs I did during the early 2000, and that matters because that’s how we got the Wall Street Journal. He tried to buy it half a dozen times before it, before he eventually convinced the Bancrofts, which were the owners of the Wall Street Journal, to sell it. So I don’t think it’s it’s insane or too far gone to say, nah, this guy doesn’t need to finance if he’s sitting on a mountain of cash that was supposed to be used and is earmarked for media acquisitions, they haven’t used it yet. It’s just I mean, there’s a mountain of cash. He doesn’t need the financing. He can pay for the deal in cash. He can overpay, which is what Rupert Murdoch always does. He always overpays, always, because he knows that it’s easier.
I was sad when Murdoch acquired the WSJ after so many unsuccessful tries.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)as the basis of your "opinions" without having any experience in reality to inform the process.
Yet you go on and on and on with baseless claims.
That's sad.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Again, it is your choice to be poorly informed and unable to support your claims with facts. I live in the real world where one supports their arguments with facts. I like being informed which is why I do NOT watch CNN.
I am amused that you made what is referred to in law school as a relevance objection. In the trial prep course you are taught never to make a relevance objection unless you are prepared to give the other side an opportunity to dump on you by explaining the relevance of the material presented. For example as stated in the Media Matters article that is cited in the OP on this thread, CNN gave far more coverage of the Biden document story compared to even Fox News.
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CNN spent 4 times more minutes covering this issue.
I was amused to see this story on Media Matters
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In a bid to keep CNN “culturally relevant” and improve ratings, CEO Chris Licht introduced a new show, This Morning, with Don Lemon, Poppy Harlow, and Kaitlan Collins as hosts who are supposedly reporting on “harder-hitting world news and politics along with a splash of entertainment and lifestyle reports.” Collins is notable for her former reporting job at the Daily Caller, a right-wing outlet that has platformed white supremacists and antisemites. This new show comes on the heels of a Licht-orchestrated pivot toward a more “centrist” model of journalism, firing Reliable Sources’ Brian Stelter, who had been an outspoken critic of former President Donald Trump and Fox News. There has also been concern that the right-leaning billionaire John Malone, who sits on the CNN parent company’s board of directors, will continue to indirectly pressure the network to move to the right in his quest for “impartiality.”
In its first week of airing, This Morning has already regurgitated several different right-wing narratives about the election. Lemon, Harlow, and Collins criticized Biden’s speech about the emerging threats to democracy; failed to offer pushback on right-wing voter suppression talking points about Georgia (and in some instances adopted them); attacked Hobbs’ decision to not debate her GOP opponent, QAnon-adjacent Kari Lake; and reiterated right-wing, ableist attacks on Fetterman.
I was amused to see that RWNJs on CNN also attacked President Biden's speech on protecting democracy (a really stupid claim that has been proven false by the results of the 2022 midterm elections)
RWNJs and poorly informed people did not like President Biden's speech on protecting democracy. Such speech is credited with helping the Democrats avoid the "red wave" and doing well in the midterms.
If you want to prove that the facts presented are not relevant, I will be happy to play. It would help if you used facts and did not rely on unsubstantiated lay opinions. It is sad that you are unable to advance any real arguments other than your unsubstantiated lay opinions that would not be given any weight in the real world.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)These are the tactics of the sort of RWNJs and poorly informed people who you rightly criticize.
Criticizing the content of shows you don't watch, is rather absurd.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)The concept of relevancy is well defined in the both the federal and state rules of evidence. The material presented is indeed very relevant to the issue being discussed. In both my evidence course and my practice court course, it was drilled into us that you should never ever make a relevancy objection. Here you have no fact or support for this relevancy objection other than a layperson opinion that would never be admitted in court.
Here are some facts for the supporters of John Malone, that Licht asshole and people who believe that CNN is a real new source to ignore. Discovery overpaid for this deal and may have to sell CNN to Murdoch if they cannot cut enough from the other real divisions of Discovery.
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Discovery is cutting the budget of its other divisions and so CNN is cutting out its real reporters and are now using CNN clones for reporting.
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Malone and Licht are in the process of turning CNN into a Fox clone.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)even watch the televisions networks that they presume to review "cute."
It is what happens when people spent too much time on Twitter and YouTube and think that makes them "experts." People who think CNN is going to be sold to Murdoch.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)I am amused that you have been proven WRONG on this thread and you have not presented any facts to support your unsubstantiated lay opinion. The opinion of a layperson is not given any weight in the real world.
Here are some facts for you to ignore. Kornacki is more popular than CNN
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Malone evidently killed the George Clooney documentary on Gym Jordan
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I hope that CNN tries to do a comedy news hour. It will be a disaster.
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Facts are good things and each of the above facts are just examples of John Malone and Licht's efforts to turn CNN into a clone of Fox news
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)When it comes to the television industry, you are the layperson, not I.
Your posts will not age well.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)If you are really an expert, then explain why and provide proof as to why these posts are NOT relevant. In the real world, one needs to use facts to support the claims and the lay opinion of a non-expert is not entitled to any weight in a court of law
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)where he pontificates on unsubstantiated rumors count as "facts."
What sort of law school teaches that nonsense?
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)However, please do not follow the advice that John Malone, Licht and CNN is pushing on vaccines and COVID. CNN is now becoming a Fox clone which means pushing anti-vaxxer talking points.
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Please ignore the anti-vax talking points on CNN and Fox. Get the updated vaccines and ignore any anti-vaxxer talking points from CNN and/or Fox News
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I wonder what would be said under evidentiary rules about people who make claims about things that know nothing about and television programming they have not even (by their own admission) seen, and who instead rely on Tweets and YouTube to form their opinions?
They'd be laughed out of court, methinks.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)I am really worried that someone who is so poorly informed to not realize that John Malone is turning CNN into a Fox clone will listen and pay attention to the anti-vax talking points that CNN is now pushing.
Again, do not listen to Fox News or CNN and get all suggested boosters. Vaccinations are no evil and will help prevent hepatizations due to COVID or lessen the severity of a case of COVID. There are some studies showing that GOP supporters (who tend to watch Fox) re dying at a higher rate compared to Democrats. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217567971
I am also amused that you think that anyone would pay attention to the unsubstantiated opinions of a lay person who does not provide any facts or authority for their lay opinions. The unsubstantiated opinion of a lay person is given no weight in a court of law. You may want to consider providing facts to back up your arguments.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Again, you are the "lay person" here when it comes to the television business, not I, and you seem to get your information second or third hand via tweets and YouTube videos.
Yet you wish to bring up rules of evidence? LOL
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Please ignore all of the anti-vax material that John Malone and Licht are now pushing to make CNN a clone of Fox. I really do worry about people who watch Fox and now CNN dying due to the anti-vax talking points being pushed by such networks. Please get your vaccinations and boosters. CNN is not a real news source any longer and you need to ignore the anti-vax talking points being pushed on CNN.
It is always amusing when laypersons attempt to discuss legal concepts. The fact that you think that you are expert amuses me but I doubt that you convince a judge of your qualifications given that you have yet to provide any facts to support your claims. The fact that you think that Maggie Haberman is a real Jounalist and that Judge Cannon's opinions were well reasoned negates your claim of expertise.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)reading Twitter doesn't make a person an expert on television network that they don't even watch. Thinking otherwise is more than "amusing."
You are inventing supposed "opinions" about Maggie Haberman and Judge Cannon that you falsely attribute to me out of thin air.
This is getting absurd.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Again, ignore Fox and its clones like CNN with respect to anti-vax talking points. Please get all needed vaccinations and boosters even if CNN and Fox tell you not to.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Comments about Maggie Haberman and Judge Cannon. That's pretty outrageous.
That's worse than your offering unsubstantiated opinions about a television network that you admit you don't watch.
I have had 5 rounds of Covid vaccines myself, and will get #6 the day I become eligible.
But do go on.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Most importantly, I am glad that you are not listening to CNN and that you are ignoring the anti-vax talking points that CNN and Fox are putting out. It has been clear for some time that Fox News is busy killing off its viewers https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017773919
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I am worried that CNN is going to start killing off its viewers in John Malone's desire to become a clone of Fox.
In the legal world, one does not make relevance objections because that is a free shot to explain the relevance. On this thread, I posted a clip from someone CNN claims is a lawyer who defended Judge Cannon's legal reasoning then attacked the lawyers on MSNBC. The asshole CNN commentator actually asked the CNN pretend lawyer if the MSNBC legal commentators had apologized to this idiot.
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CNN was defending Judge Cannon's ruling and using that ruling to attack MSNBC and the actual lawyers on MSNBC who correctly determined that Judge Cannon's ruling was pure crap. The 11th Circuit ruled twice that Judge Cannon was wrong and SCOTUS rejected one appeal. The second 11th Circuit opinion was so well done that TFG's attorneys did not appeal to the SCOTUS. BTW, I had fun reading the briefs and listening to the second 11th Circuit oral argument in this case. I also enjoyed the coverage on this case by the MSNBC legal commentators who are all strong attorneys.
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CNN was playing to the TFG base by finding an attorney who was stupid enough to defend Judge Cannon's special master ruling and I am still amused that the CNN talking head wanted MSNBC's legal experts to apologize. That is typical Fox behavior and is evidence that CNN is trying to become a fox new clone.
The other example is the fact that CNN has Maggie Haberman on a regular commentator. I posted a segment where Haberman was attacking Biden on the document issue.
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Haberman is a partisan hack who was TFG's toady. The fact that CNN has this idiot on is great evidence that CNN is playing to the Fox base. Haberman is part of the NYT group who blew up the Hillary email issue and helped get TFG elected.
Again, this is the second time that I have attempted to explain these simple concepts on this thread. See https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17564256 I have tried to make this attempt on a level that a non-expert on these issues can understand. In the real world, these facts/examples/evidence would convince a jury of the issue being discussed. There is a ton of facts/examples/evidence to prove the premise of the OP in addition to the Media Matters article cited in the OP which was a well written article
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I also don't fabricate falsehoods that I attribute to other people.
CNN is not urging people to avoid vaccines. Your Twitter source is delusional.
The irony of attacking CNN because one of the board members of Discovery/Warner is a right-wing libertarian (who doesn't run CNN) while using Twitter to do it--which actually is run by a right-wing nut job--is a bit rich.
But do go on.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Ignoring facts that prove my points will not change those facts. Thank you for the laughs. Since you are so poorly informed here some news that you will not see on the clone of Fox News. John Malone efforts are paying off.
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Promoting TFG is not a good move by CNN
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Be glad that you did not try to go to law school. Your inability to deal with facts and arguments would not work in a court of law. Again, your uninformed opinion on CNN becoming a clone of Fox News would not be admissible in court in the real world.
I am glad that MSNBC is not covering or promoting TFG. Have fun watching CNN. I am sure that the coverage of TFG will be amusing..
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)CNN has gone to the dark side with new leadership who are TFG donors. The only CNN show that I occasionally watch was Reliable Sources when I remember to DVR it or when Capehart was on vacation. CNN fired Harwood immediately after that reporter discussed facts about TFG.
The new management of CNN are TFG supporters.
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I really do not care that much in that I never watched CNN to begin with. CNN's new strategy is not likely to work.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)and cancels programs so they put their own stamp on the network. That's as normal a situation as they come.
I'm sorry a show you liked, but that got very poor ratings, got cut.
But that's not evidence of the correctness of a vast right-wing conspiracy theory.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Thank you for admitting that you are wrong and that now that a TFG supporter like John Malone is in charge, he is putting his own "stamp" on CNN which includes firing people who disagree with TFG
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)and that has been a very desirable move to increase the standards of broadcast journalism at CNN and cutting way back on the ***Breaking News*** sensationalism that unfortunately dominated the Zucker era.
Licht has been making good moves. Hopefully CNN gains in stature as a serious news source.
John Malone, for the third time, is not in charge of CNN, nor does he own CNN.
LetMyPeopleVote
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Please understand that under basic corporate law, the president and other officers of a corporation report to and are governed by its governing authority. For a Delaware corporation this is the board of directors.Here is the relevant section of the Delaware General Corporation Law on this issue https://delcode.delaware.gov/title8/c001/sc04/
(a) The business and affairs of every corporation organized under this chapter shall be managed by or under the direction of a board of directors, except as may be otherwise provided in this chapter or in its certificate of incorporation. If any such provision is made in the certificate of incorporation, the powers and duties conferred or imposed upon the board of directors by this chapter shall be exercised or performed to such extent and by such person or persons as shall be provided in the certificate of incorporation.
John Malone is both a member of the board and a major stockholder.
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https://www.vox.com/2022/8/26/23322761/cnn-john-malone-david-zaslav-chris-licht-brian-stelter-fox-peter-kafka-column
Most of those changes have yet to manifest. But one of the first ones — canceling its long-running Reliable Sources show and pushing out anchor Brian Stelter — has already unsettled some CNN employees and viewers.
But the bigger question floating over one of the world’s largest and most important news organizations is why it’s changing. Is it because the CEO of Warner Bros. Discovery, its new owner, wants an overhaul? Or is it at the behest of a conservative billionaire investor in the company who sits on its board?
That billionaire is John Malone, a legend in the cable TV business and one who has deep and longstanding ties with David Zaslav, the CEO of WBD. People close to both men insist that Zaslav is remaking CNN because he wants to for both business and editorial reasons, and not because Malone has told him to.
But complicating that narrative is the fact that Malone has repeatedly wished, in public, for CNN to remake itself. And his prescription happens to sync with the new CNN agenda: a plan to steer the channel away from what Malone and others call a liberal bias they say muddles opinion and news. And to shift it toward a supposedly centrist, just-the-facts bent.....
What we do know: Malone made his comments in November. In February, Zaslav announced he was hiring TV producer Chris Licht to run CNN and then the organization promptly began messaging its plans to “push CNN back to hard news, and away from red-hot liberal opining.” And now one of the faces most often critiqued by CNN’s right-wing competitor Fox News is out of a job.
Again, the president of CNN is remaking CNN to move CNN closer to Fox. Malone admires Fox the coverage of this non-scandal on official documents reflects this new "stamp" by the new owners.
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Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)but he doesn not run CNN. His company owns a minority of shares.
The corporation is run by a Democrat, and Chris Licht runs the day-to-day operations.
I realize the conspiracy theory would like people to equate the presence of a libertarian being on the board of the parent company of CNN as "proof" that CNN has gone "right-wing," but it really is a ridiculous contention, as anyone who tunes in (as you admit you do not) can see for him or herself.
Last night after our last exchange I tuned in, and they spent about 20 minutes going through the "nuance" (a word repeatedly used on air) to differentiate how different the handling of the document discovery is being handled by Biden's team vs what Trump has done, providing precisely the context that Twitter critics who you've linked falsely claim they are not doing.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,683 posts)Because that's the result. No liberal would think what we are seeing are "good moves".
He's doing what he was hired to do - carry out the wishes of ownership. If he didn't, the Board would replace him.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Not so good for populists perhaps, those who wish to fan rage and division as a means to obliterate reason and to undermine liberal democracy.
And not so good those who wish to tear down the role of the press in a free society, as authoritarian/totalitarian populists always make their first target the press as they seek to gain dictatorial powers. One needs to keep a close eye on these types of anti-liberals.
iemanja
(57,750 posts)Not reality. They had just spent a period of time talking about how the two situations were different "apples and oranges," but then talked about what it does for the Republicans politically. They are entirely accurate points. If anyone thinks Republicans aren't going to make a big deal about this, they clearly don't know the GOP, or politics at all.
wishstar
(5,828 posts)Just a few of the many examples-
NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/less-dozen-classified-documents-found-biden-office-sources-say-rcna65179
ABC:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-oversight-committee-investigating-classified-documents-found-bidens/story?id=96348486
CBS:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-biden-classified-documents-think-tank-republicans-criticize-trump-mar-a-lago/
FoxNewsSucks
(11,683 posts)and producers/editors are getting them spread.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts) FoxNewsSucks
(11,683 posts)The same topics, often with similar terminology used, are talked about on multiple media and repeated by rightwing politicians. Sometimes exactly the same phrasing.
It's either a highly unlikely daily coincidence, or topics and talking points are distributed.
How is it possible that you never noticed??? Too busy laughing?
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)You really believe that there is a central clearing house that feed the media their talking points?
This is supposed to be a "reality-based" community.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,683 posts)They are commonly referred to as "think tanks". Heritage Foundation is one example.
Rightwing corporations and billionaires fund them. They write papers, statements, do what they call research, and provide it to politicians and media to use on TV appearances debates etc.
A lot of Koch money underwrites rightwing messaging. And DeVos money. That's as real as it gets.
Also, remember it's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and prove it's so.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Are you saying the Heritage Foundation dictates what people say on every news channel?
Really???
Is the admonition "it's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and prove it's so" offered up without irony?
FoxNewsSucks
(11,683 posts)From Hannity to the others on Fox to CNN to AM hate radio to rightwing podcasters to Qrazy politicians to rightwing churches to editorial boards. The coordination is clear.
Hillary Clinton warned of the "vast rightwing conspiracy" and she was 100% right. She was also mercilessly mocked for it. It's a sad day when self-proclaimed "liberal democrats" continue to mock the concept.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)but rather a host of different organizations that provide the marching orders? How does that all work?
HRC wasn't claiming the right-wing writes the scripts of the television broadcasters.
Education, indeed.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,683 posts)"I wasn't aware of that, I'll look into it".
Good day to you!
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Thanks anyway.
What news sources do you enjoy?
FoxNewsSucks
(11,683 posts)
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Find new material.
WarGamer
(18,590 posts)iemanja
(57,750 posts)Do you think Republicans are going to completely ignore the story? Because that excerpt was about the GOP reaction.
WarGamer
(18,590 posts)Sorry, it's just me... I notice stuff like that.
iemanja
(57,750 posts)iemanja
(57,750 posts)and they likewise spent the whole time talking about how it was different from the Trump situation.
The POV that CNN is Fox lite comes from either: 1) not watching it, or 2) expecting news to be a Pravda-like propaganda service for the Democratic Party.
Just A Box Of Rain
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gulliver
(13,949 posts)I agree, it's a disappointing and cynical analysis. Gangel even calls out the classic Casablanca "I'm shocked! Shocked!" quote to underscore the cynicism. Republicans will make hay of it, and they'll do it cynically and dishonestly. That's baked into the cake right now unfortunately.
I'm curious to see whether the Republicans trash Biden over it over the long haul. Keeping the story in the news gives people a chance to see Biden "doing it the right way" as compared to Trump "doing it the wrong way."
MrsCoffee
(5,825 posts)Someone must have said something bad about CNN again.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,683 posts)while standing under this tree:
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)with reality-based skepticism.
I realize "groupthink" is strong among some here, but the narrative is false.
W_HAMILTON
(10,328 posts)What is a conspiracy theory is continuing to blame some no-name rightwing website for all the terrible decisions -- and subsequent terrible ratings -- under the Licht regime.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Chris Light has only been the head of CNN for a short time. The right-wing originated conspiracy theory began straight away, and it isn't aging well (since it is pure bullshit).
W_HAMILTON
(10,328 posts)And you, of all people, should know them very clearly since you are often there defending them by deflecting about some conspiracy theory involving some random rightwing website that none of us have ever visited -- have you? -- even though our criticisms are with particular instances of questionable moves made by Licht's CNN happening, yes, before our very eyes.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)The Daily Beast article was written by Lachlan Cartwright. He cited the (far-right) Free Beacon.
Have you read Lachlan Cartwright's CV? He was the Executive Editor of the right-wing National Enquirer. And also the Executive Editor of an online right-wing tabloid called Radar Online that is owned by the National Enquirer's parent company American Media, in addition to writing for right-wing Murdoch papers on both sides of the Atlantic.
When he cited the Free beacon as his "source," I did my due diligence and read the original article, which was precisely the sort of far-right drivel one could expect from such a source.
That this baseless conspiracy theory has been picked up by some on the left, with an utter lack of credulity is disheartening.
And people complain about CNN. LOL
W_HAMILTON
(10,328 posts)Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)on insisting it isn’t raining, when, in fact, it is.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)The story focuses on the political impact which is a perfectly reasonable analysis to make. And I'm seeing nothing about criminal or ethics accusations.
Earlier today, CNN had a comparison chart up of the Biden and Trump document comparisons: Trump came across as far worse.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)
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The on-air reporting, of course, goes into greater depths to distinguish how Biden's team is dealing with these documents vs the actions of Trump.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Do you? Or is this the Twitterverse speaking?
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)Again, John Malone is a major shareholder and a member of the board of directors. Malone wants CNN to become more like Fox and the firing of Harwood and cancellation of Reliable Sources are consistent with this "stamp" by Malone.
Link to tweet
https://www.vox.com/2022/8/26/23322761/cnn-john-malone-david-zaslav-chris-licht-brian-stelter-fox-peter-kafka-column
Malone’s comments didn’t resonate much beyond a couple of places: At Fox News, which responded with glee, and inside CNN, where they sounded alarm bells.
Those bells started ringing again last week when the company pushed CNN media reporter Brian Stelter out of his job. As I’ve reported, some people in and outside CNN believed there was a direct through line between Malone’s perspective on CNN and Stelter’s departure. The theory: Stelter, a frequent critic of Fox News, was let go either at Malone’s direct urging or by managers who wanted to please the investor......
Malone has also said he admires Rupert Murdoch as a business frenemy and shares a political viewpoint with the Fox News owner: “Rupert is sort of like I am. He’s a libertarian, but he thinks we should have a strong military,” he told the Financial Times in 2017......
Which brings us back to the unusual nature of his pronouncements about CNN last fall. While Malone has previously talked about his affection for Fox News — the US “needs Fox News or something like it. Because otherwise, everything’s leftist,” he told FT — it’s rare for him to opine about programming choices in his own portfolio of properties. You’ll be hard-pressed, for instance, to find him commenting on the music acts Live Nation books for its venues.
And that’s why some people who know Zaslav are convinced Malone has told Zaslav his theories about the direction he’d like CNN to go. And that given their relationship, Zaslav would be all ears. Under that theory, Malone — who now owns a small sliver of Warner Brothers Discovery instead of much of Discovery — wouldn’t need to explicitly tell Zaslav how to run CNN. He would just broadly lay out his view of the world, which Zaslav put into place by hiring Licht, who had produced Morning Joe on MSNBC, the CBS Morning News, and most recently The Late Show With Steven Colbert.....
Malone doubled down on that argument in another Times story a few days later, complaining that CNN had melded opinion and news, and holding up “Fox News host Bret Baier … [as] a reliably centrist newscaster.”
You may be happy with a Fox News clone but I prefer the facts
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)about the content (which you have not seen).
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)I have followed the litigation regarding the appointment of a special master in the Mar-A-Lago document case by Judge Cannon including reading all of the briefing and listening to the 11th Circuit oral argument in this case. There was NO credible legal theory justifying the appointment of a special master in this case and the DOJ destroyed the TFG legal team's claims in this case. The 11th Circuit twice ruled that Judge Cannon was WRONG in appointing a special master and after the SCOTUS rejected TFG's first appeal in this matter, the TFG did not try to appeal for the final 11th Circuit ruling to the SCOTUS.
The legal issues in this case were clear and only an idiot would agree with the claims made by TFG's attorneys or the ruling by Judge Cannon. CNN got mad that MSNBC had a ton of competent lawyers who all opined that Judge Cannon was WRONG in her ruling and that TFG was going to lose this case. CNN actually found an idiot lawyer who agreed with the TFG attorneys and that idiot was stupid enough to dis the MSNBC attorneys who were later proved right.
Link to tweet
I am amazed that CNN found a lawyer who was stupid enough to agree with Judge Cannon and that CNN put that lawyer and allowed this idiot to dis the competent attorneys who appeared on MSNBC
Under John Malone, CNN has become a clone of Fox
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,378 posts)I was amused to see that Media Matters is concerned about one possible reason why Malone and Licht are turning CNN into a clone of Fox. CNN is not a good fit for Discovery and the efforts to turn CNN into a Fox clone would facilitate a sale of CNN to Murdoch.
Link to tweet
https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-media-matters-chief-terrified-new-cnn-strategy-will-lead-to-takeover-by-fox-news-mogul-rupert-murdoch/
On Friday’s edition of The Dean Obeidallah Show, Carusone told the host that he’s rooting for CNN to succeed, but he feels the new direction will fail, and Murdoch will swoop in:
ANGELO CARUSONE: Thing I really am afraid of is that it is honesty that they sell to Rupert Murdoch. I’m terrified of this. It is super, it is his white whale and I think that it doesn’t fit into Discovery’s portfolio in a meaningful way. I’ve always been afraid of this, and the posture of making the platform more appealing, more attractive, more neutral, I think weakens it enough that they say, “Look, it’s just not worth it. We didn’t get the returns on investment. It hasn’t turned the corner yet.” You know, I don’t think they’re going to get the audience gains that they think they’re going to get, which is part of the strategy. And that’s a real problem, too. So at its core, I’m afraid that in the short term, we see some bad coverage out of them, some spots of bad coverage which actually have bigger harms when it comes from CNN. And then bigger… But longer term, I think that it actually weakens the business model of CNN enough that it makes them more susceptible to just being spun off. And that’s not great either.
DEAN OBEIDALLAH: That’s interesting, I never thought about that last one…
ANGELO CARUSONE: So I don’t think people realize how often Rupert Murdoch tries to buy CNN. It happens all the time. He did it and he made a really aggressive, year-long plus play in 2017 and a run at it in 2014. He’s made runs I did during the early 2000, and that matters because that’s how we got the Wall Street Journal. He tried to buy it half a dozen times before it, before he eventually convinced the Bancrofts, which were the owners of the Wall Street Journal, to sell it. So I don’t think it’s it’s insane or too far gone to say, nah, this guy doesn’t need to finance if he’s sitting on a mountain of cash that was supposed to be used and is earmarked for media acquisitions, they haven’t used it yet. It’s just I mean, there’s a mountain of cash. He doesn’t need the financing. He can pay for the deal in cash. He can overpay, which is what Rupert Murdoch always does. He always overpays, always, because he knows that it’s easier.
I was sad when Murdoch acquired the WSJ after so many unsuccessful tries.
John Malone and Licht are turning CNN into a clone of Fox News with an eye to sell it to Murdoch. This explains why CNN has become a clone of Fox News
Montauk6
(9,339 posts)For a new interview show with Chris Wallace……
dalton99a
(94,051 posts)"Look at what Biden did!!!"