So, is there any reason to believe those ten documents found at an old

[Baitball Blogger]

Biden office weren't recently placed there by bad actors?

Not that I think this is an issue. Trump's huge problem is that he took ownership of classified documents and trucked them out of the White House for his own personal use. And he didn't even keep them well protected. That isn't anything like leaving documents at an old office.

I wonder what the information involved, since it could help lock down a timeline.

[Meadowoak]

1. They were planted by a MAGAT.

[RKP5637]

2. I've wondered the same. The coincidence and timing is just far too convenient. n/t

[brooklynite]

5. Or...just spitballing here...

...When the Trump story broke, Biden had his lawyer go back and do a thorough check if any of his VP documents ended up in his office. Far more likely.

[Caliman73]

10. Come on brooklynite!!!

The crazy ass conspiracy is FAR more likely!

I would imagine that MANY Presidents and VPs have had some sort of experience with documents after leaving office. We likely don't hear about them because they are handled MUCH differently than Trump handled his situation. Likely, they are handled just as President Biden and his staff handled the situation.

The only reason this is being brought up now is exactly because of the scandal with Trump.

[RobinA]

22. I Buy This Completely

I'm betting there are always a few classified documents floating around and everybody knows it. Biden has people check to make sure all is cleaned up and these stragglers turn up. They could have gone looking for the nearest shredder, but they decided to do the right thing.

[RKP5637]

37. Yep, I think that's pretty much what has happened. In the past probably not too big a deal and would

be handled ... but with Trump and his cronies ... they're setting off some fireworks around it ...

[brooklynite]

3. New Year; New Conspiracy Theory.....

Rather than starting with "we know they would.....", start with "how would they...".

How did "they" break in to an office of the current President, with Secret Service and police protection, and plant documents?

[live love laugh]

4. Maybe the Secret Service itself IS the problem.

[brooklynite]

8. When you need a conspiracy theory to prove a conspiracy theory.....

Again, what you're implying is that Biden as President, and his appointment as DHS Secretary aren't doing an adequate job of security and management in the SS.

[W_HAMILTON]

26. Do you deny this reporting? If so, please cite your reasons why.

Biden Doesn’t Trust His Secret Service—and Thinks Dog Bite Was a Lie: Book

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bidens-trust-in-secret-service-frayed-by-trumpian-loyalties-new-book

[live love laugh]

46. ‼️ I'm implying Biden's not doing his job ⁉️

11:19 AM
Star Member brooklynite
8. When you need a conspiracy theory to prove a conspiracy theory.....
Again, what you're implying is that Biden as President, and his appointment as DHS Secretary aren't doing an adequate job of security and management in the SS.

It’s well known fact that he doesn’t trust Trump’s Secret Service remnants and for good reason.

Him being an experienced statesman, I trust his distrust and also his knowledge about how to proceed in these matters.

Exactly how he can pinpoint who’s a problem is not easy. He can’t throw away the entire agency. There are federal hiring protocols that he also doesn’t control as president as well.

[Meadowoak]

40. +1

[Captain Zero]

51. Maybe the problem is at the Archives?

Maybe they are underfunded?
Maybe they are reluctant to pursue timely return of documents?
Maybe they get bullied by bad actors?
Maybe during transitions from one admin to another they aren't completely in the document loop?

[Maraya1969]

6. Wasn't it at one of his old offices that wasn't being used?

[Baitball Blogger]

15. That's how I understood it.

[Meadowoak]

7. the secret service is infested with MAGATS.

[live love laugh]

47. ✔️

[live love laugh]

48. ✔️

[Baitball Blogger]

16. Erm, are you suggesting these documents were

In an old office of the White House? Really? Which means they would have been in possession of the Trump White House?

I think you’re stretching credibility too far.

[brush]

31. An old Biden office betwee nis veep stint and 2020 presibential run. It was being cleaned out.

[Demsrule86]

29. It could have been done. I was unaware that it was in the white house...that changes everthing

Either way a big fat who cares...clearly if Biden or his people are involved and it is not planted then they were left there by mistake...overlooked but being in the white house office in a locked closet where there would be no access is not a problem and those that try to pretend that it is like Trump deliberately taking documents to Florida to an unsecured facility...and stored in an unlocked desk will look like damn fools.

[brush]

32. See post 31.

[dsc]

42. was it SS protected

This was a think tank not a Biden office.

[OLDMDDEM]

9. I believe the docs were planted.

[TheProle]

12. Beliefs are not facts.

I am open to considering any factual reporting that this is the case, but none seems to have surfaced.

[OLDMDDEM]

14. I realize Beliefs are not facts

but this seems too much like something TFG would do, or at least another magat.

[brooklynite]

17. When an actual Democratic leader makes this claim, I'll consider it.....

The blogosphere seems too quickly to jump to "he did it".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I seriously doubt they were planted.

Government employees accidentally mishandling classified documents is not without precedent. It's what they did after they discovered they accidentally took them that becomes problematic. President Biden''s attorneys apparently handled the situation the best they could.

[Demsrule86]

25. Maybe but maybe not.

[brush]

34. Dirty trickster Roger Stone comes to mind.

[ananda]

13. I also believe it's a nothingburger.

They've been there how long?

At least a decade, right?

Think about it.

[EYESORE 9001]

11. Ten is a nice round number

Just sayin’.

[Baitball Blogger]

20. Yup. And the information has to be limited to the Obama years.

So, it would be nice to know if all these planets are going to line up.

[onenote]

27. and statistically its as likely to be the number as every other number.

So, whoop-de-doo

[EYESORE 9001]

50. Statistics only play a role if the number of documents is random

If they were planted, as I alluded to earlier, the number of docs is at the discretion of the one doing the planting. Statistics have fuck-all to do with my suggestion.

[onenote]

52. Except it turns out more documents found elsewhere

So the actual number of documents involved isn't going to be ten (not that ten has any special significance in the first place).

[EYESORE 9001]

53. It's one more than nine

They’re called significant digits for a reason

[onenote]

54. And what about the number of documents found at Biden's home.

[Sogo]

19. They weren't just lying around in an old office,

they were LOCKED AWAY in a closet in an old office, indicating that there was some care to keep them secure in the first place, as opposed to TFG's handling of the documents in his possession.

[exboyfil]

41. Not sure that makes me feel any better

A closest is not an appropriate storage method for classified documents. Depending on the security level, it could run to a lock on a file cabinet to an elaborate safe. Also it is important that some level of facility security is also in place (for example my old employer had 24 hour security in a combined officer building/manufacturing facility.

In all cases (both Biden and Trump included) the reason why the documents were retained needs to be established. There is a log book on documents so what does the log say about these documents? (At least that was the case with both my former employers which I had a security clearance with).

[Demsrule86]

23. That is what I think and wouldn't it be sweet to catch them!

[brush]

24. I think you're on to something. Consider the timing...

It occurred to me too. They were "found" coincidentally, only 6 days before the Nov. election, just the right time for the news to be released to the press, thereby further magnifying the force of the predicted red tsunami of votes about to hit the nation in the mid-term elections.

The move handlers/Biden people didn't fall for what may have been a trap. They just quietly contacted authorities — the National Archives and the appropriate LEO agencies — turned over the few docs voluntarily and avoided what could have been the wet dream imaginings of opponent dirty tricksters of a warrant and high-profile search of the former DC office of Biden affairs between his veep stint and presidential run in 2020.

Well done I say.

[onenote]

28. Then why wasn't the story leaked before the election.

By the conspirators that somehow broke into Biden's office and "planted' these documents? And how did these conspirator come to have classified documents from the Obama administration?


I've seen some silly conspiracy theories here on DU -- its only January 11, but this one will be hard to top this year.

[brush]

36. It's no fun if ya don't have fun with the predictable republican...

outcries of trying ot equate a few docs stored in an old Biden post-veep-pre-presidential DC office with the 11,000 docs trump stole and plopped down in the basement of a much-visited country club in Florida.

Come on, get with the program.

[moondust]

33. Yes, would have boosted the "tsunami."

But then why wait almost two more months to tell the press/public--until after the GQP had control of the House?

[Meadowoak]

44. The Biden administration immediately notified NARA. It would have

Been a big scandal if not. They were planted, and when they were discovered, the magats assume they will try to hide or cover up the story, because that's what they (magats) would do. It didn't happen that way, and didn't turn out to be the scandal they hoped for just a few days before the midterms.

[brush]

49. Exactly. Magats assumed Dems would do what they would do.

There is a diference between the two major parties.

And the diff has gotten wider and wider every decades it seems.

Ike from the '50s would be a Blue Dog, maybe even a center-right Dem today. The big split started when LBJ seated the Freedome Dem Party at the '64 Convention and got worse with Nixon's '70s Southern strategy and REagan's '80s campaign opening in the heart of the confederacy in Philadelphia, Miss.

And then Gingrich's CWA in the '90s, W Bush's actual stolen elections in the '00s, the Tea Party in the 2010s and then trump's mega lies to his magats and then the insurrection.

IMO it'll continue to widen until the republican party turns itself into a Ouroboros,represented by the McCarthy/Gaetz beast devouring it's own tail, making a lot of noise but accomplishing nothing.

[Vinca]

30. That's been my suspicion all along. I wouldn't put it past the GQP.

[Bayard]

35. I would doubt

That any documents from 6 years ago would be a threat to national security these days.

Just saying.

[Baitball Blogger]

39. How I would laugh if there was something on the White House plumbing.

For National Security purposes, do not improve the water pressure in the White House to avoid the possibility of someone flushing classified papers down the toilet.

[exboyfil]

43. The oldest classified document dates from 1917 (declassified in 2011)

It regards troop movement.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1991-12-17-1991351019-story.html

[SheltieLover]

38. They should check video surveillance to see who has been there.

Joe is not sloppy with his responsibilities.

[Bonx]

45. Do we really need a CT for this?