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applegrove

(132,218 posts)
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 06:40 PM Jan 2023

Justices Set to Allow Workers Time Off for Religion

Justices Set to Allow Workers Time Off for Religion

January 13, 2023 at 4:57 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 63 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2023/01/13/justices-set-to-allow-workers-time-off-for-religion/

"SNIP.......

“The Supreme Court agreed Friday to rule on extending federal civil rights law to protect workers who seek to take time off for religious observance,” the Los Angeles Times reports.

“The justices voted to hear an appeal from a former U.S. postal worker and evangelical Christian who was disciplined and eventually quit because he refused to deliver packages on Sundays.”

..........SNIP"

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bucolic_frolic

(55,143 posts)
2. Ain't that a rabbit hole
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 06:49 PM
Jan 2023

Everyone will be taking time off for weekday services. Every excuse in the book. Workers wanting to go to the store can file to go worship at Walmart. Druids can worship the winter and summer solstices. This will create chaos.

Johonny

(26,179 posts)
12. I assume there will soon be a case where they sue
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 08:52 PM
Jan 2023

When non-evangelicals get hired to work the Sunday shifts and they claim they were discriminated against because they weren't available that day . . .

Whatthe_Firetruck

(610 posts)
16. Cue up legal challenges
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 11:03 PM
Jan 2023

From Jews (Saturdays), the church of Satan, neopagans (solstices, eqiunoxes, & full moons). Not to mention Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoists, and every other religion out there. Do they imagine this would only be for Christians?

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
3. I support the appellant.
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 06:50 PM
Jan 2023

So do others.

Lawyers representing Sikhs, Muslims, Jews and Seventh-day Adventists joined in the support of the appeal and urged the court to restore strong protection for religious liberty.

dpibel

(3,944 posts)
5. It's the appellant you support.
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 07:00 PM
Jan 2023

"Appellate" is an adjective, which you cannot support.

It will be interesting to see how the Supremes make this a rule that applies to Christians but not to lesser religions.

My guess: "Treating Sunday as a holy day was the standard when the Constitution was drafted. But there is no tradition of taking other days of the week off. QED: Sundays only."

One would hope they are not quite that craven, but with this gang, it's hard to guess.

I do look forward to the support the rabid Christians give to Muslims who want to take off all of Ramadan. Or, for that matter, Jews who'd rather not work on Saturdays.

I'm sure the Christianists will be all over that.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
9. Also support the evangelical Christian. Once. All major religions day off on major religious days?
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 07:39 PM
Jan 2023

No problem…what about sick leave and paternity leave…capital is useless without lavor.

Celerity

(54,410 posts)
4. Justices Thurgood Marshall and William J. Brennan seem to have agreed
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 06:59 PM
Jan 2023

But the court’s conservatives have signaled they were prepared to reconsider the law in this area and correct what they see as a wrong turn taken in the 1970s. They said they agreed with the leading liberals of that era — Justices Thurgood Marshall and William J. Brennan — who faulted the majority then for having made “a mockery” of Congress’ protection for religious liberty in the workplace.

snip

In that case, Larry Hardison was a maintenance department clerk at the Kansas City airport. He was a member of the Worldwide Church of God and refused to work on the Saturday Sabbath, but he was willing to work overnight shifts and at other odd times. However, both his union and TWA objected to requiring others to work in his place on Saturdays, and he was fired.

“To require TWA to bear more than a de minimis cost in order to give Hardison Saturdays off is an undue hardship,” the court said in a 7-2 decision.

“Today’s result is intolerable,” Marshall wrote in dissent, “for the court adopts the very position that Congress expressly rejected in 1972,” and it leaves employees with “the cruel choice of surrendering their religion or their job.”

Elwood P Dowd

(11,453 posts)
6. Well, Trump took weekends off to worship at the Church of Golf
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 07:08 PM
Jan 2023

Even during the worst periods of COVID our fearless leader was off worshiping that little white ball.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. If I was forced to guess
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 07:42 PM
Jan 2023

I'd bet a shiny nickel that the Nine Wise Souls will carve out all kinds of exceptions that will force practitioners of other, lesser religions to go to work on their holy days.

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
13. And if my religion has 250 "holy" days per year?
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 08:58 PM
Jan 2023

Do I get time off and full salary too?

Eko

(9,993 posts)
15. Why should one type of belief have credence over others in our country?
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 09:31 PM
Jan 2023

1st person "My belief in a religion lets me dictate what days I can and cant work to my employer and that is what I deserve."

2nd person "I mean I just believe that we should always be good to people and do the best we can to make the world a better place for everyone, I also believe that everyone should have their two days off together."

Supreme Court "1st one deserves special treatment from the law, second one does not."




madinmaryland

(65,729 posts)
17. As a Pastafarian, I demand Wednesdays off since that is Prince Spaghetti Day!
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 02:36 AM
Jan 2023

The Flying Spaghetti Monster and her noodle appendages!

JI7

(93,617 posts)
18. Religious people can be such assholes who have an inflated sense of importance
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 03:18 AM
Jan 2023

i'm not saying that's what this specific case is about as I don't know the details.

But things like people not wanting to give birth control at a pharmacy and other shit are annoying.

In some cases it can easily be dealt with such as the person that may not want to deal with selling alcohol can do other work.

But I have to ask, if this is so important for them due to their religion than how is it ok to get paid by a company that sells birth control which you oppose ? I mean we can look at this may ways.

My comments here aren't necessarily about the OP situation but just other annoying religious people I have been reading about.

jmowreader

(53,194 posts)
19. Hopefully there are some employer protections in there
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 04:05 AM
Jan 2023

As in, if Jane Smith says she needs time off on every one of our busiest days so she can attend church, it should be reasonable for Jane to prove she really went to church. Otherwise you’re just asking for abuse.

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