THIS is what's wrong with America

[CatWoman]

Link to tweet

[blm]

1. Geez

[ProfessorGAC]

2. Sure Hope That Gun Is Empty

But, it probably isn't. I hope I'm wrong.

[CatWoman]

3. the description says it was loaded

[ProfessorGAC]

4. Darn!

I missed that. Skimmed to quickly, I guess.
So, the good news is I guessed right. The bad news that frickin' gun was loaded.

[Mr.Bill]

39. Loaded magazine in the gun,

fortunately not one in the chamber because the kid can be seen pulling the trigger.

[sakabatou]

83. O.O

[Bluethroughu]

5. The parents of a child under 18 that get access to a firearm

Should get a mandatory $10,000 fine.

[Delmette2.0]

54. And take the gun...all guns away.

[70sEraVet]

70. And take the KIDS away -- all kids away.

Too 'stoopid' to parent.

[Bluethroughu]

88. Can't agree more with you.

[Bluethroughu]

89. Never owned a gun and have been all over the country.

Good and bad areas.

Lucky to not have got any trouble, maybe? But I do know people are more likely to get hurt from a firearm, when one is present in the home.

[Stuart G]

6. YES, This Happened, I was totally WRONG FOR saying the following:

Last edited Mon Jan 16, 2023, 03:22 PM - Edit history (6)

Wrong for posting what is below (Yes, THIS is NOT accurate):
_____________________________________________________________________________________________

IT is made up, there is NO PROOF that it ever happened anywhere in Beech Grove Indiana or anywhere else

I searched everywhere for this article for proof. It is a fake article from Great Britian.

IF IT WERE REAL, THEN THERE WOULD BE AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT SOMEWHERE IN INDIANA.

NO SUCH ARTICLE EXISTS THAT I COULD FIND AT ALL, AT ANY TIME...

I searched using these words................

............"Child with a gun in Indiana" there was nothing to find...you can do the same if you want.

.............THE ONLY PROOF IS THE ARTICLE IN THE DAILY MAIL THAT IS QUOTED IN THE NUMBER ONE POST...IT IS A FAKE

......................SEARCH YOURSELF IF YOU WANT....
_____________________________________________________________________________________________

AND..................I HAVE DELETED MOST OF THE OTHER POSTS,,,,,Stuart G

[CatWoman]

7. ....

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/jawdropping-footage-from-on-patrol-live-shows-a-toddler-waving-a-loaded-gun-and-pulling-the-trigger/#article-nav

and the story appeared on "On Patrol, Live": https://www.philo.com/go/onpatrollive?utm_source=google&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=topshows&utm_term=philo-5581&utm_content=onpatrollive&utm_content_id=rsa090320&gclid=CjwKCAiA5Y6eBhAbEiwA_2ZWIcrY3Lb3Ecoij7prEI46jp0lXAc4Y_x6BCZDIAFw17YWYFVrTJ5XVBoCWHQQAvD_BwE

[WhiskeyGrinder]

11. A kid putting hands on a gun isn't actually huge news, tbh, if no one gets hurt and it results in an

arrest/CPS call. The only reason it's getting hyped is because OPL got lucky and Mediaite is pushing its content.

[CatWoman]

12. I must disagree with your assertion that this would be national news everywhere

where have you been the last couple years?

And why are you yelling at me?????

[muriel_volestrangler]

27. If you're saying Mediaite is just making stories up, then they've screwed their business

and it's a notable business - often used as a source on DU.

[CatWoman]

33. here's some video someone recorded from On Patrol Live

Link to tweet

[kristndem]

38. Shannon Watts is a pretty credible source

And It's not difficult to believe. As a member of Moms Demand Action, We have very intensive research and statistics on children and gun safety. Permitless carry laws give anyone the right to carry a gun with no training whatsoever. There is much evidence out there. Here is just one research article. Not hard to find.
https://studyfinds.org/gun-deaths-toddlers-young-children/

[Ocelot II]

50. Mediaite is a reputable source. Its founder is Dan Abrams,

who is the Chief Legal Affairs anchor for ABC News and was previously the co-anchor of Nightline. Before that he was at NBC News for 15 years as a reporter for NBC Nightly News, host on MSNBC, and Chief Legal Correspondent for NBC News. During the 2000s he was MSNBC's General Manager. He was one of the hosts of the On Patrol broadcast where this clip was aired. I doubt that someone with Abrams' reputation would promote a "fake news" item.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

9. Mediaite and OPL are the same company, FWIW. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, of course.

[Meadowoak]

80. Yep, I watched it. Live.

[W_HAMILTON]

10. Looks like you've been proven wrong, so please delete your post.

[Ocelot II]

43. Do you really need to shout?

[CatWoman]

14. Daily Mail via Mediaite and On Patrol Live

you certainly are stubborn; Daily Mail even attributed Mediaite:

Viewers of the video were equally horrified.

'The father shouldn't be allowed to ever own a gun again,' wrote one commenter on Mediaite. 'He should be charged with reckless endangerment, tried, found guilty, and sentenced to the maximum.'

Another also added that he thought there should be a serious prison sentence for the father.  

'If you leave a gun out where a child can get to it and use it, you should be criminally liable for whatever damage the child does,' they wrote. 'Similar to a felony murder statute, you need not pull the trigger to be convicted of homicide.' 

[CatWoman]

16. why do you keep yelling at me?

[CatWoman]

18. i'm sorry; i don't understand

why should I look at the NY Times?

It seems like you have more of a problem with me than the story.

[Dave says]

19. There is no way this makes front page NYT

Sorry, but in a country where many mass shootings often go with only a mention in the press (because there are so many of them), this is hardly a hot news item.

“Man bites dog” - news at 11.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

59. Sir, you inadvertently make the point...so common it does not make front page news in

the national American newspapers. Mediate is the American media reporting, and attributed by the British press. Easily understood the chain of information.

In Britain this is not common, so seeing it must be outrageous there.

So in America it’s so common it is not outrageous…though should be, equally.

[Mr. Evil]

72. This story was picked up by The Daily Mail

most likely to highlight the absurdity of America's gun culture.

But, for some reason you are asserting that this is fake and staged because it isn't all over the national news. Just waving a gun around is one thing but, if he'd actually managed to release the safety, chambered a round and fired off a shot or shot himself or a neighbor then you'd have gotten your wish.

And then yelling and screaming at everyone here about it...
You should consider changing your name to Alex J.

[Kaleva]

21. Probably best to wait till more reputable sites report it

[CatWoman]

26. Mediaite has always been used as a reputable site on this forum

[Kaleva]

85. It's not going to harm me one bit to wait a few days.

[CatWoman]

87. with my compliments

Last edited Sun Jan 15, 2023, 10:41 PM - Edit history (1)

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/beech-grove-child-neglect-arrest-incident-involving-handgun-was-broadcast-on-live-tv/

[Kaleva]

93. Thank you!

Hopefully the father gets slammed and is restricted to supervised visits with his child

At least the man had the sense to not have a round in the chamber. Everything else, he fucked up

[W_HAMILTON]

30. There's a damn clip of it.

Daily Mail is not reputable, but Mediaite has shown to be.

[Kaleva]

84. Other sites will then pick it up. I'll wait

[ancianita]

41. According to the well accepted Fact Check/Media Bias site,

The "Daily Mail" is rated a

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE

A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.

Overall, we rate Daily Mail Right Biased and Questionable due to numerous failed fact checks and poor information sourcing.

Detailed Report

Questionable Reasoning: Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Some Fake News, Numerous Failed Fact Checks
Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: United Kingdom
Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

History

Established in 1896 by Harold and Alfred Harmsworth and Kennedy Jones, The Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper in the UK. It is edited by Geordie Greig, who took over as editor in November 2018 from Paul Dacre, the editor since 1992. The Daily Mail’s parent company is DMGT, which owns newspapers including the Daily Mail, the Mail on Sunday, and The Metro. The chairman is Jonathan Harmsworth, 4th Viscount Rothermere, who inherited the media empire founded by his great-grandfather Harold and his brother Alfred a century earlier. Harold Sidney Harmsworth is also known to be an admirer of Mussolini and a supporter of Nazi Germany.

Read our profile on UK government influence on media.

Funded by / Ownership

The Daily Mail’s parent company is Daily Mail, and General Trust or DMGT and its chairman are Jonathan Harmsworth. He inherited the media empire founded by his great-grandfather Harold Sidney Harmsworth. The Executive Committee is listed on their about page.

DMGT also publishes the Mail on Sunday and Metro titles. Besides journalism, DMGT includes risk management event organizations such as conferences, training sessions, seminars and is the largest shareholder in property portal Zoopla, sold to Silver Lake. The main revenue of the Daily Mail is digital advertising, print ads, and subscription fees. You can find their 2018 assets report here.

Analysis / Bias

The Daily Mail is a known supporter of the Conservatives. They are also one of the pro-Brexit tabloids. According to a Reuters article, the Daily Mail published a controversial headline in response to a Brexit Court ruling criticizing the judges by branding them as ‘enemies of the people.’ According to CNBC, the Daily Mail has also been criticized by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales for publishing fake news articles and “hyped up” headlines and “mastered the art of running stories that aren’t true.” Further, CNBC reported that DMG media responded by saying, “DailyMail.com is the very antithesis of click-bait and hype headlines. We just tell stories better than anyone else.”

The Daily Mail tends to publish stories utilizing sensationalized headlines with emotionally loaded wordings such as “Woman, 63, ‘becomes PREGNANT in the mouth’ with baby squid after eating calamari”, which is a misleading headline. In 2017, Wikipedia banned the Daily Mail as an ‘unreliable’ source. When it comes to sourcing information, they use minimal hyperlinked sourcing and sourcing to themselves. Further, a Reuters institute survey found that 26% of respondents trust their news coverage and 47% do not, ranking them #11 in trust of the major UK news providers. In general, most stories favor the right; however, the Daily Mail will report either side of the story is sensational enough.

Failed Fact Checks

Did the Daily Mail Delete a Story Reporting the U.S. Planned to Blame Assad for ‘False Flag’ Chemical Attacks? – Mostly True
“Google search spike suggests many people don’t know why they voted for Brexit.” – Mostly False
Is Using ‘Bug Spray’ to Get High an Alarming New Trend? – Mostly False
Did a White House Intern Make the ‘White Power’ Hand Gesture? – Unproven
Did ‘Melbourne Antifa’ Claim Responsibility for the Vegas Massacre? – False
Are Vigilante Protesters Digging Up Confederate Graves After Charlottesville Clashes? – Mostly False
“Racist picture of Democrat North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper emerges just days after he called on Ralph Northam to resign – DAILY MAIL.” – Pants on Fire
Overall, we rate Daily Mail Right Biased and Questionable due to numerous failed fact checks and poor information sourcing. (7/19/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 03/23/2022)

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk


Last Updated on March 23, 2022 by Media Bias Fact Check

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/

[CatWoman]

45. see post 7

Daily Mail picked it up from other sources; they were/are NOT the originator

[ancianita]

56. Okay. I hear you.

Mediaite's okay. I've checked and used it. As for On Patrol, Live, media rating sites haven't listed it.

I just wanted to point out that the Daily Mail is still an unreputable source that's like a broken clock in this matter.

This isn't about taking sides. I just would rather err on the side of caution, as Stuart G is. Living in FL, we're pretty sensitive, maybe to a fault, about mis- and disinformation.

[W_HAMILTON]

73. He's not erring on the side of caution -- he's outright claiming it's staged.

The mis- and disinformation here is coming from the poster claiming this is all fake and staged, with his """proof""" being that it hasn't hit the big news websites yet, even though it happened just recently (less than a day or two ago?). Maybe he is not aware of the show that broadcast it, but that is just an even bigger indictment of his claims, which will 100% be proven wrong with time. A person shouldn't shout loudly that something is staged and fake and all a lie based on such frivolous knowledge of the subject and such irrational reasoning like it hasn't been reported by a big news agency yet or it hasn't been reported by its local (weekly) newspaper yet.

[W_HAMILTON]

47. Mediaite has also reported on it and here are its ratings from that same website:

Bias Rating: LEFT
Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

Taken from: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mediaite/

Rest assured this story happened.

[OverBurn]

22. In Indiana isn't this perfectly legal? Joking or am I.

[CatWoman]

23. you have them confused with Texas

[Genki Hikari]

28. No, they don't

This could happen in ANY state in the country.

It's not limited to Texas and never has been.

I know it's the parlor game to bash everything Texas around here, but no state is pure when it comes to this gun nonsense.

Not a single one.

[CatWoman]

35. I was JOKING

I was trying to riff on Chief Wiggins from "Who Shot Mr. Burns"

[GreenWave]

46. Hi CatWoman!

Many of us here admire your posts. I am sorry someone continues to yell at you.

[CatWoman]

49. I'm just puzzled as to what he wants from me???

[ShazzieB]

65. Sometimes people just want to be right.

Or rather, be acknowledged as right. Sometimes people just want the other person to say, "Okay, you're right and I'm wrong." Which is not always a reasonable or realistic expectation, of course.

[Evolve Dammit]

52. or any red state. Jeebus H. this is where we are?

[Genki Hikari]

31. If you go to the video

You see that it was part of an OPL broadcast here in the US.

You've already been told multiple times that mediate--an AMERICAN source--covered it. Sometimes it takes time for a story to percolate up the chain.

So calm down and stop looking for conspiracies like a deplorable.

[tenderfoot]

32. Perhaps the story hasn't been picked up yet.

It'll knock Santos, documents, eggs, and variety of other stories that generate outrage clicks off the radar.

It's also not national news, this is a local situation.

[SYFROYH]

90. Local News Is Now Reporting It

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/beech-grove-child-neglect-arrest-incident-involving-handgun-was-broadcast-on-live-tv/

[Stuart G]

29. I was wrong about posting on this topic and, I ADMIT THAT I WAS WRONG!!

Last edited Mon Jan 16, 2023, 03:20 PM - Edit history (4)

and I have deleted the other posts.

________________________________________________________________

I will be glad to admit that I am wrong..

Stuart G

[W_HAMILTON]

34. We have a clip of it happening.

Just because you don't see it on the local WEEKLY newspaper for Beech Grove, Indiana, doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

Since you are so investigative, why don't you call the Beech Grove Police Department and ask them whether or not it happened?

[tenderfoot]

36. I'm trying to figure out why it would be national news.

As if this kind of thing never happens. Too many stories about kids finding guns around the house.

[W_HAMILTON]

40. You are wrong and you will be proven wrong by your own sources in due time.

Do us all a favor and just delete all your misleading posts claiming that this didn't happen because certain news outlets haven't picked it up yet.

We have footage from the incident because the Beech Grove Police Department is one of the police departments that show follows around. This is not faked footage.

[Stuart G]

96. I have done that on 1/16 at about 1pm central time.

[W_HAMILTON]

44. And here is their local WEEKLY newspaper reporting that their police department will be featured...

...on the show that this footage was taken from:

Beech Grove Police Department brings people behind the badge with “On Patrol: Live”

The Beech Grove Police Department has agreed to let their community in on the ins and outs of their service to local citizens. With “On Patrol: Live”, the officers give a firsthand look at the daily events they encounter while on patrol. “We’re a little department with big city problems,” said Deputy Chief Robert Mercuri. “One of the reasons we wanted to be on “On Patrol: Live” is to legitimize who we are. We’re often asked to do a lot more with less. We don’t have the luxury of specializing in any one thing, we have to do everything.”

Taken from: https://ss-times.com/beech-grove-police-department-brings-people-behind-the-badge-with-on-patrol-live/

[W_HAMILTON]

91. And, like clockwork, here is them covering the story:

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/beech-grove-child-neglect-arrest-incident-involving-handgun-was-broadcast-on-live-tv/

[Ocelot II]

42. How about admitting that the teacher who was shot by her six-year-old pupil

was a hero and not a teacher who hits kids?

[Stuart G]

55. That is another post and another issue.

Having taught in very rough schools in the Chicago Public Schools, I knew of teachers who routinely hit students
to gain discipline.
...There were 2 or 3 that did this, but a couple did this and this was many years ago, That is NOT A LIE.

The idea that student shot the teacher because she may have hit him.....was clearly an opinion.
and it was stated in the post.

[kristndem]

48. This happens all the time

Stupid people leave guns around all the time. And kids pick them up. If it must be the NYT;s
Read this.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-violence-children-data-statistics.html

[Beartracks]

53. I'm trying to understand your logic, Stuart.

The world is full of examples of outrageous events that decent Americans rightfully get incensed at but that do not make it to the national news -- yet you are saying that because this story isn't on the national news, it didn't happen.



But I would argue that if the kid had managed to shoot someone, THAT would've moved into the national news. The fact that a toddler toddling around with a loaded gun DOESN'T make a bigger news splash is actually a travesty, since it indicates this sort of thing happens all the time all around the country -- which means, sadly, that it's not "news" so much as it's just "life in America."

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[progressoid]

68. Mediate has videos

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/jawdropping-footage-from-on-patrol-live-shows-a-toddler-waving-a-loaded-gun-and-pulling-the-trigger/#article-nav

[meadowlander]

51. Sad that the most unbelievable element of this story is the "dad" getting arrested.

[Mr.Bill]

58. If this was staged there are about a half dozen actors

that should be nominated for an Oscar for their realistic performances.

Dan Abrams has tons of credibility. He used to be the News editor at MSNBC. He currently owns and operates some of the highest rated shows on Cable TV. It would be very foolish to the point of career-ending for him to fabricate something like this.

[CatWoman]

62. you mean "Dan"

[Mr.Bill]

66. You are correct, sorry. I will fix. Thanks

[packman]

69. If you go to "Read the full conversation on Twitter"

There's an additional video of cops entering Dad's apartment, searching, finding gun, arresting the waste of a human. Seems credible to me.

[Mr.Bill]

71. You are correct.

I was watching it last night. The scary thing was until the video showed up, the cops were believing the dad and actually were leaving the scene.

[packman]

61. And someone kept videorecording the kid??

Come on - ask why?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

63. It's building security cams.

[packman]

64. Ah, O.K. - thanks for clarifying

[justgamma]

67. Nobody recorded it.

It was caught on a security camera.

[SoCalDavidS]

74. This Video Is Sooooooo America

My only question is whether the NRA has sent this kid a membership application yet.

[Doc Sportello]

77. What happened to the ALL CAPS?

NOW, NOW you decide not to use them? That's ok, as long as you go back and delete all the posts you had screaming that it didn't happen.

[Stuart G]

78. I changed to ALL CAPS, and ...I HAVE deleted the others. I was wrong for posting those others.

Last edited Mon Jan 16, 2023, 03:06 PM - Edit history (1)

[Doc Sportello]

79. Like the monks of old

Self Flagellation as a means of absolution. BRAVO!

[W_HAMILTON]

86. You should delete them.

Leaving them up is leaving up misinformation that is incorrect. People are going to come into this thread later on who didn't participate in the discussion in real-time and it will be as if you just posted this information. So, it will continue to live on as misinformation unless you take steps to correct your misinformation.

If you don't want to delete them, go back and edit them to include something at the top that says you since have realized you were wrong.

[Stuart G]

94. I have deleted all of them, Also I have said, I was wrong to post them...

[W_HAMILTON]

95. Thank you.

[Mr.Bill]

82. Thanks for saying this.

You end this day with as much or more respect from me than you had yesterday. You're a good man.

[usonian]

76. Alfred Hitchcock Presents Bang! You're Dead

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0508131/
A 5-year-old boy finds his uncle's revolver, partially loads it with bullets, and plays with it in public, unaware of its deadly power.

Rick Sheffield visits his brother and sister-in-law after a lengthy absence living in Africa. His nephew Jackie unpacks his suitcase and finds a revolver. Jackie and his friends are always playing with their toy guns and Jackie goes around town, pointing the gun and pulling the trigger, oblivious to the fact that there is a live round in the chamber. When his parents and uncle realize he has the gun, they set off on a frantic search but not before he fires at someone.

[ymetca]

81. Reading through the posts

I started snarkily pondering just how totally reliable major news outlets are anyway.

Then I got lost thinking about AI and deep fakes, and the legions of unscrupulous actors creating all this stuff, and it suddenly hit me that getting to the actual 'THIS' that you are referring to, is perhaps our biggest problem.

Presuming this event actually occurred, then it's atrocious, and I agree. Government should be intervening here. It's a public safety issue. Or at least most of us on this forum believe it is.

If, on the other hand, it's all an elaborate fake, then boy howdy have we got maybe even a bigger problem, right?

[Model35mech]

92. Sort of agree.... LINK TO TWEET!

Seems like it could be a problem, depending on who is twitting and what the twits are about