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Cyrano

(15,388 posts)
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 04:21 PM Jan 2023

Did Trump give/sell any documents to Putin, or North Korea, or the Saudis, or anyone?

That's a question that no one has to ask about Joe Biden. And therein lies the difference.

We all know that Trump would sell Ivanka to the Taliban for a reasonable price. So what about the secret, top secret, and "eyes only" documents in his possession. Does anyone really believe that Trump has any concept of patriotism or loyalty to America? Can anyone deny that his goal in life is to enrich himself to the max, and fuck everyone else? Is there any doubt he'd sell any of America's secrets to anyone, as long as he profited from it?

There's no proof he did any of these things. But no sane person would ever believe that Joe Biden would give/sell America's secrets to our global opponents.

When will the media make that distinction? Why isn't this apparent to all? I guess the answer is that decades of Republican hate propaganda has screwed up millions of people to the point where they no longer have any common sense.

We can only imagine what damage the next two years of Republican rule of the House will bring us. Or, maybe we can't imagine it.

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doc03

(39,086 posts)
1. The media is no longer interested in what TFG did, they have a Democrat to
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 04:26 PM
Jan 2023

talk about 24/7.

dflprincess

(29,341 posts)
3. That $2 billion Jared got from the Saudis
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 04:30 PM
Jan 2023

Leads me to say "yes".

And I've enjoyed the speciation that one tab reason things have not gone well for Putin in Ukraine is that our intelligence agencies didn't trust Trump & planted false information about Ukraine's capabilities knowing Spanky would turn it over to Vlad.

bucolic_frolic

(55,140 posts)
4. They can't tell us.
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 04:30 PM
Jan 2023

It would reveal too much to our enemies. Outside chance they don't know yet, or every last detail yet, or never will. They can't tell us, which is to say, broadcast the outcome publicly.

pwb

(12,669 posts)
6. This guy has been lying since he lied about bone spurs.
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 04:36 PM
Jan 2023

Someone fighting in Vietnam may have died in his stead. All that stuff he had was to make money IMO.

RockRaven

(19,373 posts)
7. 100% Jared shared the *contents* of classified documents with Mr Bone Saw...
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 04:36 PM
Jan 2023

The Saudis blockaded Qatar until the Qataris bailed out Jared on the 666 building to the tune of a billion dollars, and then gave him $2 billion of their own money after TFG was out of office. That money was earned somehow, and it wasn't by Jared doing manual labor.

usonian

(25,324 posts)
8. One can tell by their actions.
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 04:39 PM
Jan 2023

Invading Ukraine, Murdering journalists and so on.

I would not put it past our intelligence community to have fed TFG bogus information, knowing for certain that he would give or sell it to unsavory people.

Like Russian troops bringing dress uniforms at the outset of the war for "the celebration" in Kyiv.

Don't put down all conspiracy theories. After all, conspiracy theories about conspirers do turn out to be true, such as the conspiracy of the rich to divide the nation along any line it can, be it racism, misogyny, you name it, to keep people from seeing how they are being manipulated and uniting against them. Are you familiar with the "trickle-down theory of economics"?

It has been proven false, with a Nobel Prize, no less. A blatant conspiracy.
And there are others.

underpants

(196,495 posts)
9. Their Hunter Biden thing is a proactive counter to what Trump
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 04:40 PM
Jan 2023

did. And I mean all of them. Family and hangers on who traded access for immediate and long term money. Rudy was as think in Ukraine for longer than Hunter was.

I’m sure you know this but the move to stop funding Ukraine isn’t just because aid to them is seen as anti-Trump (“genius”) and Putin, there is a widely held conspiracy theory that that money is being laundered back to influential Dems and possibly to pay for votes. Long sentence there. This is very much part of RW social media.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
10. The republicans in the House for the next two years
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 04:41 PM
Jan 2023

won't be able to do much with us controlling the Senate and the Executive branch.

What they will do is show us what they would like to do if they could. That will be their undoing in the next election.

Cyrano

(15,388 posts)
11. It's not what they can do. It's what they can prevent.
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 04:56 PM
Jan 2023

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Think about all the problems and crises, national and foreign, that need immediate attention. (And I'm not even including climate change in that statement.)

The damage Republicans can and, most likely, will do in the next two years will take decades to repair.

Assuming we have decades, because of that climate change thing that I didn't include in the damage they can do.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
12. I don't disagree with you.
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 05:09 PM
Jan 2023

I was just feeling a bit optimistic today.

There are two sides to the situation we face. Thanks for presenting the other side.

Grins

(9,459 posts)
14. Yes. Oval Office, 15 May 2017.
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 06:44 PM
Jan 2023

To Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Israeli code-level intelligence. He hadn’t been in office 4 months. An act that confirmed to the ‘Five Eyes’ they could no longer trust the United States.

 

MOMFUDSKI

(7,080 posts)
15. I am just sickened by
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 08:41 PM
Jan 2023

the ways of the world. Money and power is all some people crave and will do ANYTHING to get it.

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