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RandySF

(84,259 posts)
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 12:01 PM Jan 2023

North Dakota Republican floats fining state-funded groups $1,500 if they use 'wrong' pronouns

The North Dakota House of Representatives has introduced a bill that would prohibit expanded use of pronouns outside of the gender that the person was born.

House Bill 2199 restricts the definition of gender to the person's natural gender at birth and then requires that all pronoun use be reflective of that same gender. Any violation by an institution that receives state funding, including public schools, would be subject to a $1,500 fine.

If gender is challenged, the bill puts the responsibility on the individual to prove their gender.

“Say, they’re a boy, but they come to school and say they’re a girl. As far as that school is concerned in this bill, that person is still a boy. If it becomes contested, the burden will be on the girl, the so-called girl, or the boy, to prove that he is a girl,” said North Dakota State Senator David Clemens while speaking in favor of the bill.


https://www.rawstory.com/anti-transgender-bill/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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North Dakota Republican floats fining state-funded groups $1,500 if they use 'wrong' pronouns (Original Post) RandySF Jan 2023 OP
Freedom of Speech my ass, grab your guns and bibles. Bluethroughu Jan 2023 #1
What next, are they going to try to prohibit name changes? Ocelot II Jan 2023 #2
They just need a group to hate. Elessar Zappa Jan 2023 #3
Exactly, one group to the next. They lust for hatred, it's what motivates them in life. RKP5637 Jan 2023 #9
It's even better for them if the target of their bigotry is a relatively small group Ocelot II Jan 2023 #14
Republicans need to stop worrying about pronouns and start working for America Ohioboy Jan 2023 #4
One of many horrible bills being Dr. Shepper Jan 2023 #5
Senator Clemens has the right to her own beliefs, dslyahoo Jan 2023 #6
Now, now, let us be tolerant gratuitous Jan 2023 #7
Why not introduce a bill that eliminates all gendered pronouns? Everybody is "it." Ocelot II Jan 2023 #8
Good thing that "they" have solved all the other problems in the State of North Dakota Botany Jan 2023 #10
I thought Junior Samples passed away. Sneederbunk Jan 2023 #11
meanwhile they blocked a ban on PFAS chemicals GenXer47 Jan 2023 #12
Is this not a violation of the 1st amendment? edisdead Jan 2023 #13
Bathroom Police Force Cracklin Charlie Jan 2023 #15
Do they have an oplinion on missexing at birth? Or, since it's so rare, .. TreasonousBastard Jan 2023 #16
My response to Clemens would be: "My pronoun is 'you.' As in 'fuck you.'" Efilroft Sul Jan 2023 #17
Trying to erase people from existence. Solly Mack Jan 2023 #18

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
1. Freedom of Speech my ass, grab your guns and bibles.
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 12:05 PM
Jan 2023

This is getting so tyrannical it is out of control.

Ocelot II

(130,516 posts)
2. What next, are they going to try to prohibit name changes?
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 12:06 PM
Jan 2023

If your parents named you John, you can't become Jane? That's the next step - a trans person starts going by Jane but they are required to use he/him in school, so they have to change their name back to John? WTAF is wrong with these people? And what is it about gender identity that frightens them so much?

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
3. They just need a group to hate.
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 12:09 PM
Jan 2023

One month it’s blacks, the next immigrants, and currently trans-people. They’re bigots, plain and simple.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
9. Exactly, one group to the next. They lust for hatred, it's what motivates them in life.
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 12:20 PM
Jan 2023

Lost of hatred and cruelty is a good time for them.

Ocelot II

(130,516 posts)
14. It's even better for them if the target of their bigotry is a relatively small group
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 12:31 PM
Jan 2023

that has little power. Trans kids get enough shit in their lives already that they can't do much about, so why not pick on them some more?

Ohioboy

(3,891 posts)
4. Republicans need to stop worrying about pronouns and start working for America
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 12:09 PM
Jan 2023

I think that should be a bumper sticker.

Dr. Shepper

(3,236 posts)
5. One of many horrible bills being
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 12:11 PM
Jan 2023

Introduced this session.

There is also a bill censoring any books that depict or describe full or partial nudity. Anyone can challenge the library/store and the book can then be banned or placed in a special place out of the reach of children.

Another bill allows charges against someone for bringing a sexual harassment accusation against someone that is found (by a bias board of course) not to be justified. The guy who introduced the bill was accused of a title IX violation that was not upheld. The accuser had no representation during the investigation I have been told.

I gotta get out of this place.

dslyahoo

(179 posts)
6. Senator Clemens has the right to her own beliefs,
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 12:13 PM
Jan 2023

But they have not right to impose his own beliefs on others.

Ocelot II

(130,516 posts)
8. Why not introduce a bill that eliminates all gendered pronouns? Everybody is "it."
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 12:15 PM
Jan 2023

Problem solved.

I'm wondering what these loons think about teaching foreign languages in which inanimate objects are gendered. Do they find it perverse to have a masculine chair, a feminine lamp or a neuter car?

Botany

(77,315 posts)
10. Good thing that "they" have solved all the other problems in the State of North Dakota
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 12:21 PM
Jan 2023

This bill is nothing more than giving "their base" a group to hate. But in OH our state legislature did
the same kind of crap by passing a bill to stop trans people from playing on high school teams who
the identify with. All because 1 17 year old t-girl played on he high school softball team.



How about making having bad toupees illegal?

 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
12. meanwhile they blocked a ban on PFAS chemicals
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 12:26 PM
Jan 2023

...which are well-established hormone disruptors.
It is entirely possible the very same people who are out to destroy trans people are facilitating gender dysphoria, chemically.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
16. Do they have an oplinion on missexing at birth? Or, since it's so rare, ..
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 02:47 PM
Jan 2023

have they just avoided the question?

Solly Mack

(96,940 posts)
18. Trying to erase people from existence.
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 02:55 PM
Jan 2023

Turning them into non-people by using the law to strip them of rights and even making it illegal for them to say they exist. Making it a crime for them to say, "I'm here", "I matter".

Small step to murdering people.

This is ugly. This is dangerous.

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