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Nevilledog

(55,078 posts)
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 11:45 PM Jan 2023

Trying to Stop Long COVID Before It Even Starts

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2023/01/long-covid-prevention-pills-paxlovid-metformin/672763/

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Three years into the global fight against SARS-CoV-2, the arsenal to combat long COVID remains depressingly bare. Being vaccinated seems to reduce people’s chances of developing the condition, but the only surefire option for avoiding long COVID is to avoid catching the coronavirus at all—a proposition that feels ever more improbable. For anyone who is newly infected, “we don’t have any interventions that are known to work,” says Akiko Iwasaki, an immunologist and long-COVID researcher at Yale.

Some researchers are hopeful that the forecast might shift soon. A pair of recent preprint studies, both now under review for publication in scientific journals, hint that two long-COVID-preventing pills might already be on our pharmacy shelves: the antiviral Paxlovid and metformin, an affordable drug commonly used for treating type 2 diabetes. When taken early in infection, each seems to at least modestly trim the chance of developing long COVID—by 42 percent, in the case of metformin. Neither set of results is a slam dunk. The Paxlovid findings did not come out of a clinical trial, and were focused on patients at high risk of developing severe, acute COVID; the metformin data did come out of a clinical trial, but the study was small. When I called more than half a dozen infectious-disease experts to discuss them, all used hopeful, but guarded, language: The results are “promising,” “intriguing”; they “warrant further investigation.”

At this point, though, any advance at all feels momentous. Long COVID remains the pandemic’s biggest unknown: Researchers still can’t even agree on its prevalence or the features that define it. What is clear is that millions of people in the United States alone, and countless more worldwide, have experienced some form of it, and more are expected to join them. “We’ve already seen early data, and we’ll continue to see data, that that will emphasize the impact that long COVID has on our society, on quality of life, on productivity, on our health system and medical expenditures,” says Susanna Naggie, an infectious-disease physician and COVID-drug researcher at Duke University. “This needs to be a high priority,” she told me. Researchers have to trim long COVID incidence as much as possible, as soon as possible, with whatever safe, effective options they can.

By now, news of the inertia around preventive long-COVID therapies may not come as much of a shock. Interventions that stop disease from developing are, on the whole, a neglected group; big, blinded, placebo-controlled clinical trials—the industry gold standard—usually look to investigate potential treatments, rather than drugs that might keep future illness at bay. It’s a bias that makes research easier and faster; it’s a core part of the American medical culture’s reactive approach to health.

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Trying to Stop Long COVID Before It Even Starts (Original Post) Nevilledog Jan 2023 OP
I'm taking Paxlovid now Dr. Shepper Jan 2023 #1
Paxloid helped me recover quickly from COVID in December. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2023 #2
I finally caught covid last month Tree Lady Jan 2023 #4
Get better soon! Dorian Gray Jan 2023 #9
I rebounded on Wed Dr. Shepper Jan 2023 #12
I'm sorry Dorian Gray Jan 2023 #14
Hope you feel better soon too!! Dr. Shepper Jan 2023 #15
As to Metformin - I'm skeptical. Ms. Toad Jan 2023 #3
I think both of our Dorian Gray Jan 2023 #10
I am not at all suggesting not exploring it Ms. Toad Jan 2023 #11
Thanks! Downloaded and filed. Hekate Jan 2023 #5
Bookmark. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Jan 2023 #6
I Knew This Would Happen DET Jan 2023 #7
The metformin piece is interesting to me Dorian Gray Jan 2023 #8
I'll leave it to the experts and not "DU scientists" BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #13

Dr. Shepper

(3,236 posts)
1. I'm taking Paxlovid now
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 12:49 AM
Jan 2023

First time getting COVID and am nervous about long term effects. This is hopeful news.

2. Paxloid helped me recover quickly from COVID in December.
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 02:10 AM
Jan 2023

I was able to detect the disease in the first couple of days, got the Paxlovid and it plus my being fully vaccinated and "boosted" (a new word for the dictionary) kept it from getting bad. Three weeks after the first positive test and I tested negative.

I hadn't thought about the effects of long COVID. I need to see if my doctor will prescribe metformin. I want this virus gone!

Tree Lady

(13,282 posts)
4. I finally caught covid last month
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 02:20 AM
Jan 2023

and took Paxlovid and was over covid in a week. Didn't have any long term effects.

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
9. Get better soon!
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 07:00 AM
Jan 2023

I know a number of people who had a rebound on Paxlovid, so keep your eyes out for a recurrence of symptoms. And if it happens, don't let it dishearten you. It shows a robust immunity system, and i don't think it affects long covid chances.

Dr. Shepper

(3,236 posts)
12. I rebounded on Wed
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 11:33 AM
Jan 2023

After being symptom free and negative the previous Friday. So it happened to me too and I’m stuck back at home with the work piling up. 😞

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
14. I'm sorry
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 02:45 PM
Jan 2023

I'm stuck at home on day six. (I haven't been sick enough to use paxlovid) and I am feeling the stress of letting things slide. Hopefully you'll be better soon and forever!

Ms. Toad

(38,634 posts)
3. As to Metformin - I'm skeptical.
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 02:16 AM
Jan 2023

One of the risk factors for long COVID is Type 2 diabetes. Guess what drug most T2 diabetics are on . . . metformin.

And in the world of n=2, both my spouse and I are on metformin. Both of us had post-COVID sequelae - shingle for her, GI crud + immune dysfunction for me.

(I haven't read the study yet. Just expressing skepticism because of what I know, generally.)

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
10. I think both of our
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 07:05 AM
Jan 2023

personal experiences color our responses to this news (in opposite ways). Which is why I would love this explored more. I know you struggled with long Covid and horrible after covid symptoms, and I'm truly sorry about that. People who are vulnerable to those symptoms need to be protected as much as possible, so I'm really hopeful that metformin can be a piece of that puzzle. (It's readily available and easy to get.)

But I also understand your skepticism here, and I definitely don't want to get too ahead of myself.

Ms. Toad

(38,634 posts)
11. I am not at all suggesting not exploring it
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 09:40 AM
Jan 2023

Anything that looks promising should be evaluated. I'm just not holding out much hope for metformin.

DET

(2,499 posts)
7. I Knew This Would Happen
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 03:14 AM
Jan 2023

Anyone who has had Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (God, I hate that term) following a serious viral illness knows that long Covid is the new CFS. CFS has never been taken seriously by the medical community and certainly not by the general public. People who have CFS have been told for decades that it’s ‘all in your head’, ‘there’s nothing wrong with you, ‘get over it’, etc. I feel guilty saying this, but I’m thrilled that the prevalence of long Covid has finally forced the Government and health care providers to look for solutions to this devastating condition. Preventative interventions would be great (if that is possible), but curative treatment would be even better.

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
8. The metformin piece is interesting to me
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 06:58 AM
Jan 2023

I've been on metformin for years. (And i didn't get covid when my daughter and husband had it.) I was curious if that was part of the reason. (I had also gotten lucky with the timing of my previous booster, which was exactly a month before they brought the infection home.)

I know that metformin reduces inflammation, so it seems as though there is a mechanism there that may influence the onset of long covid. I am not a scientist so I can't speak to how that happens.

But I definitely would love to see this further pursued.

There have also been minor studies involving melatonin that look promising. (Another supplement I often take to help me sleep.)

BannonsLiver

(20,589 posts)
13. I'll leave it to the experts and not "DU scientists"
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 01:21 PM
Jan 2023

One poster was “skeptical” about the vaccines too. 🙄🙄🙄🤷‍♂️

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