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Samrob

(4,298 posts)
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 01:34 AM Jan 2023

Artificial Intelligence...the death knoll of capitalism and democracy as we know it.

This time it won't be the loss of industrial jobs that took its toll on working middle and lower class as automations replaced them. AI will be replacing white collar, high paying positions. And it will replace at a much higher and faster pace. These folks and their owners already do not pay their fair share of taxes...losing those jobs with their high salaries will give the RW MAGAs what they say they have always wanted. A strangled Federal government, unable to sustain its social safety net, which sustains a standard of living once the envy of the globe. I house of cards that they are now building will come crashing in a blink. Wait for it. The defanged government that the MAGAs are leaving us as they swarm through political positions of power will not be able to control or regulate protections against the on coming storm. Think about it.

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lastlib

(28,397 posts)
1. ("death knell"--"death knoll" is adjacent to Daely Plaza.....)
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 01:58 AM
Jan 2023

But your points are sobering and well taken--and a bit scary.

Backseat Driver

(4,671 posts)
2. Speaking to Austin: "Great opportunities just gonna trickle down soon, Austin.
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 02:37 AM
Jan 2023

"Austin Bedford learned that he was one of about 8,000 people being let go from Salesforce when he tried to log on to his computer and had no access to Slack, the tool that he worked on as a conversation designer. A native of East Palo Alto, California, he studied computer design because he hoped to join one of the profitable companies in his backyard. The job he landed at the company in 2021 fulfilled a dream. He never imagined he would lose it so soon.

“I was shocked,” said Bedford, 41."

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/tech-layoffs-shock-young-workers-the-older-people-not-so-much/ar-AA16Aiwv
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Better tell him that AI will very soon replace many more than just the "conversation designer," whatever the heck they do. At 41 years of age now, his dream job at that profitable company IS in his "backyard" without the next hot thing IT skills/certificates or lower expectations. Austin is just as likely to spend the next decade on many 6 month contractor 1099 gigs that might last that long - with perhaps another 4 months between them on the bench looking at years-old training videos until he's cut loose for the next one. At that point, age 51, will anyone even hire him even as an advertised temp to hire employee? Age 61? The stress of this life without benefits and constantly trying to "fit in" will undoubtedly leave its mark on this guy's mental health and/or he may loose more than his jobs. Chin up, fella - it was as good as it was ever going to get and you got to experience that, lol! - Yeah, gratitude, man!

Buns_of_Fire

(19,181 posts)
6. For those wondering about "Conversation Design"...
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 04:16 AM
Jan 2023
Conversation design is the discipline of defining the purpose, experience, and interactions of a conversational interface before it’s built. Whether you’re a product owner, design leader, or a developer, it can be beneficial to understand the design process and challenges that are unique to conversational AI.

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/machine-learning/part-1-approach-conversation-design-the-basics/#:~:text=Conversation%20design%20is%20the%20discipline,are%20unique%20to%20conversational%20AI.

Think of it as training your replacement.

yaesu

(9,377 posts)
3. Capitalism can die, fine with me. I do not believe any democracy can survive under capitalism nt
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 02:51 AM
Jan 2023

Kablooie

(19,115 posts)
5. The question is what will replace it?
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 03:36 AM
Jan 2023

Any ideas?
Of course Marx thought communism would follow capitalism but all attempts at that have so far been disasters.

Generic Brad

(14,374 posts)
12. It will not be altruistic towards us
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:23 AM
Jan 2023

Organics like us will be eventually viewed on the same level as insects. If AI views us as undesirable in some spaces, it will have no moral quandary about exterminating us.

Irish_Dem

(81,859 posts)
13. Would humans be of any benefit to them at all?
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:33 AM
Jan 2023

Even a ruling class needs a subclass of servants to do menial or dangerous jobs?

Or if the AIs break apart into warring factions, they need cannon fodder.

But yes, letting humans survive would be a cost-benefit ratio decision I imagine.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
10. What's better than capitalism?
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:17 AM
Jan 2023

Certainly not socialism or Marxism. Now granted, capitalistic systems should be highly regulated with a robust safety net and a steep income and capital gains tax with no exemptions/write offs. In other words something similar to what the Scandinavian countries have, a social democracy.

Emile

(42,621 posts)
14. A sprinkle of socialism would keep predatory capitalism
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:40 AM
Jan 2023

in check. Predatory Capitalism can die, that would be fine with me!

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
4. The next set of highly paid jobs will be those that can adapt AI to current business processes
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 02:58 AM
Jan 2023

Understanding how AI (Machine Learning) works and how to fine tune it will be the jobs of the near future. Building new business models around it will be the jobs of the long term future.

We're at a similar stage when the Netscape browser dropped. The internet was shiny and new, and few had the correct vision for it. Over time, it was adapted to the entertainment, retail, and media industries.

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
8. As soon as sentient AI's start plodding along things will get weird.
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:04 AM
Jan 2023

There will likely be hundreds of these "thinking" AI's doing all sorts of things. Then maybe one day they join together to become one sentient AI, or several combo huge AI's, that is the point where there is no plug to pull to turn it off. Or maybe they will try to destroy each other in turf wars.

Plus the early AI versions have tended to reflect their makers attitudes. Tech bros. Yuck.

So who programs in the empathy feels so humans are seen to have a reason to exist?

5 to 10 to 20 years will see some real crazy advances. Almost equivalent to the 20th century which went from horse drawn carriages to cars to planes to nukes to computers to space travel to the internet. A person born in 1870 was 30 when 1900 rolled around. If they lived to 100 they saw a huge change in the world with empires crumbling, two world wars, moon landing, and color freaking TV.

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
11. Sweet! Missed this one.
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:19 AM
Jan 2023

Forbin confers with his Soviet counterpart, the Russian Academician Kupri – Guardian's creator – to enact a plan for stopping the computers by disabling the nuclear weapon stockpiles of the USSR and the USNA, under the guise of regular missile maintenance. Disabling the missiles requires five years to complete. In the meantime, the USNA and the USSR yield to increased Colossus-Guardian control of human life; the Moscow-Washington hotline is tapped, Forbin is constantly spied upon, while Kupri and other Guardian computer scientists are killed – deemed dangerously redundant by the computer. Undeterred, Forbin organises resistance via a feigned romance with Cleo Markham (a scientist colleague) that provides cover for secret communications with his colleagues.

Colossus prepares the worldwide announcement of his assumption of global control, and tells Forbin of plans for an advanced computer system installed in the Isle of Wight, and further plans for improving humanity's lot. While debating Colossus, Forbin learns of a nuclear explosion outside Los Angeles – Colossus detected the missile-disabling scheme and destroyed the tampered missile by firing a Soviet missile that was already targeted at that silo. Anguished, Forbin asks Colossus to kill him. Colossus ignores him, and then reassures Forbin that, in time, he will respect, and even love, Colossus.

dalton99a

(94,711 posts)
16. GIGO
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:49 AM
Jan 2023

Garbage in, garbage out - At the end of the day, it is a programmed robot




(openai.com)

rlegro

(342 posts)
17. We can only hope that the tumbled house of cards will trigger a greater worker alliance....
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 11:03 PM
Jan 2023

...probably including the resurgence of unions, community action groups, and coalitions among currently warring classes and races. that's what usually happens when the world comes tumbling down.

My guess is that cities will physically or otherwise wall themselves off from the barbarians (human, viral. and otherwise0 at the blue gates, making sure they are self-sufficient in food and energy production. Many won't be able to afford this or make this happen politically until it's too late but city-state islands of reason will persist, just as they did in the dark ages. Many places will become less and less habitable because of climate change, too. Population declines worldwide due to poverty, famine, disease, and natural disasters will ease resource problems but also further constrain what governments at any level can do. Communes and co-ops will become prominent again.

Even MAGANs won't be able to withstand the Technological Singularity when our machines become smarter than us. Redirecting fake accusations and faux anger toward machines will be just as crude a reaction, given that a lot of people dote on "smart" machine of all kinds But we will have no choice but to exert more control over mechanization and AI.

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