HUH - Maybe there is a reason for banning gas stoves

[packman]

“There are increasing studies that confirm NOx (nitrogen oxide) gases and other pollutants are formed in the flames of gas stoves,” Rob Jackson, Ph.D., a professor of earth system science at Stanford University, tells TODAY.com.

Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) is the primary gas that we’re concerned about right now," says Jackson. NO2 is produced by burning fuel, and emissions also come from cars, trucks, furnaces and power plants, he explains.

"These are the same pollutants we're concerned about when you have major truck routes near your house and other combustion sources," adds Matt Perzanowski, Ph.D., an associate professor of environmental health sciences at Columbia University specializing in asthma, tells TODAY.com.

Other pollutants from gas stoves include carbon monoxide and formaldehyde, but Jackson says there’s less evidence that those two gases reach high enough concentrations in people's kitchens and homes to harm health.

Full article:

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/gas-stoves-actually-bad-health-230204515.html

I loved cooking with gas - now, it's electric for a variety of reasons.

[underpants]

1. Many (maybe most) residential hoods don't remove the fumes just recycled it into the house

I was not aware of that until this thing came up.

[brush]

47. How many decades now have there been gast ranges?

Several, right, without people keeling over and dying. Legislation just needs to be crafted so that building codes in states are codified so builders and installers property vent fumes to the exterior.

This will faded away as cooking with gas, as I said earlier, has not proved fatal over many decades, and is much preferable to electric cooking as the heat goes off immediately when the burner is turned off — not so with electric burners which stay hot a for a while which can effect the food.

[niyad]

2. I always loved gas stoves for their control, but the occasional fumed bothered me.

Did not know it was so serious.

[hlthe2b]

3. All those damned HGTV remodeling shows were responsible for a lot of the explosion in

popularity of gas ranges. I remember being adamant that I didn't want one and being ridiculously ridiculed by friends (brainwashed by these shows) and some considerable poorly hidden contempt from the contractor. I am so glad I didn't give in.

Now, as to the gas fireplaces that--until recent improvements in electric facsimiles--are the only REAL solution to wood (largely not useable along the front range of CO due to air pollution standards). And, I do have one that I really don't use but if you do you need to be sure it has a special oxygen sensor that shuts it off if it is not burning completely. These things need an inspection every year--though I'm sure I am not the only one who never did. Mine wasn't that efficient anyway so I just stopped using it until I could make a new insert with a blower a priority.

But, no gas stoves for me. I haven't had one in decades.

[Ferrets are Cool]

4. I love my gas stove. You will have to pry it from my cold dead noxous fingers.

[jimfields33]

5. You may keep yours but future generations will not.

Same with Freon air conditioners and gas cars. Things change and we adapt.

[Ferrets are Cool]

9. You are correct. Petroleum is NOT a renewable source...not at the rate of usage we are

consuming it.

[sinkingfeeling]

13. Tell me again why we're pushing natural gas generation of electricity.

[Disaffected]

22. Because it's better than coal??

[thomski64]

7. ...in Buffalo, during our December blizzard..

...of the 46 people who died, 14 froze
in their homes, when power was lost
for many days. If they'd had gas stoves,
nearly a third of those deaths could
have been prevented.

[Delphinus]

11. Oh my ...

That reminds me of an ice storm here in NE Indiana over 10 years ago. I kept the burners on my stove going, the two front ones, having to override it because of the electric starter (something like that). It kept the house from freezing during the week it took to get power back.

[tenderfoot]

15. Except that guy in Niagara County that died of CO2 poisoning from his gas furnace

eom

[Ferrets are Cool]

20. That is like saying that all electrical heated homes should be eliminated because

electric space heaters cause fires.

A report from the National Fire Protection Association shows space heaters are a leading cause of fires that have broken out at homes in the United States.

The report, which was released in January 2021, says fire departments across the country responded to an average of 48,530 fires at homes involving heating equipment between 2014 and 2018, which resulted in an estimated 500 civilian deaths, 1,350 injuries and $1.1 billion in property damage.

[tenderfoot]

21. I'm saying that gas can be a danger

eom

[Orrex]

26. Carbon dioxide?

[multigraincracker]

6. I may be wrong, but my guess is one

passenger plane going from coast to coast does more damage than all the gas stoves put together. How many jet planes are in the air at this moment?

[Ferrets are Cool]

8. I suspect you are correct, but that is pure supposition on my part.

We have made great leaps in the pursuit of "keeping ourselves safe" over the years I have been on this earth. Sometime, however, I do think we are afraid of stepping on our own shadows.

[multigraincracker]

10. We need a visual pie chart

showing what is really killing us. I love my gas stove, but I’d rather give up air travel.

[Mr.Bill]

34. In the air inside my house,

none.

[sinkingfeeling]

12. What about natural gas powered vehicles? We have buses running, proudly

proclaiming they're run by natural gas.

[hunter]

14. I don't let buses drive in my house.

If I put my gas stove outside the fumes would be less of a problem as well.

[sinkingfeeling]

17. Cooked on gas stoves all my life until I moved into this apartment at the end of 2020.

I detest the electric stove. Takes forever, can't control temperatures, unlevel burners, burns one side of food in the pan and the other is uncooked. As of the end of March, I will be back into my own house with a natural gas stove.

"NO2 is produced by burning fuel, and emissions also come from cars, trucks, furnaces and power plants, he explains." from the OP.

[Mr.Bill]

35. Modern electric stoves

have mitigated most of those issues.

[sinkingfeeling]

37. This is a 3 year old Hotpoint.

[Takket]

24. emissions from a bus discharge into the open air, not the interior of your home

[ripcord]

16. When power goes out here I can cook

With electric I would be out of luck, when those outages can last for days it is a big deal.

[Mr.Bill]

36. I have an electric stove.

When the power is out I have a small propane grill outside that functions very well as a stove.

[ripcord]

41. I don't cook well outside when it is below freezing

[Mr.Bill]

42. Well I will admit those temperatures

are rare here, but I have BBQed in the snow before.

[hunter]

45. It would be nice to live in a first world nation where the power doesn't go out for days.

[liberal_mama]

46. Our power goes out a lot too! My nephew had to get a hotel room to take the bar exam online in case

the power went out in our town while he was taking it.

[48656c6c6f20]

18. Going to shut these down too?

Natural Gas Power Generation(2017)
gas-power-generation-in-united-states

There are 1,793 natural gas-powered electric power plants in the United States. They generate about 34 percent of the nation’s electricity.

[marybourg]

19. They're not in your closed-up house.

[48656c6c6f20]

40. Right thats OK lol

Because then they're not producing toxins because why?

[Disaffected]

23. False comparison.

We switch to natural gas generation mainly because it replaces coal. We have few coal burning stoves to be concerned about.

[48656c6c6f20]

27. False comparison and the you go in about coal? Wow

[Disaffected]

28. Your reply might be interesting if

it made any sense.

[Takket]

25. the point of the study is the fumes from buring the gas INSIDE your home can be harmful

[hunter]

39. That would be a good idea too.

Natural gas is hardly any better than coal and is probably going to destroy the natural world as we know it, largely because people think it's "clean" and it supports their wind and solar power fantasies.

The best thing we can do with natural gas is to leave it in the ground.

Nevertheless, I cook with gas. When our old "contractor grade" gas stove, one of the first models with pilotless ignition, died a couple of years ago I couldn't convince my wife to buy an induction range, even though I'm the one who does most of the cooking in our house.

I'm a lazy cook most of the time so I don't use the stove or the oven most days, relying instead on the microwave oven, electric grill, air fryer, etc.

Whenever I do use the gas stove I turn the vent fan on, exhausting most of the fumes outside.

[Demsrule86]

29. Bullshit and no.

[randr]

30. There already are a number of municipalities and small towns that won't allow gas

stoves or heaters by code.

[Mr.Bill]

43. Is that just in new construction? n/t

[randr]

44. Yes, including large developement projects

[Act_of_Reparation]

31. Reasoning doesn't enter into it.

If voters could be reasoned with we wouldn't be where we are today.

A ban is bad optics. Period. It won't win us many friends, and sure as shit will piss a lot of people off. Incentivizing the switch to electric is the more prudent course of action here.

[Polybius]

32. In the Summer, I cook on coal (outside of course)

A charcoal BBQ. Manchin would be proud.

[Hekate]

33. Will Gold Medallion All-Electric Homes make a return?

https://dahp.wa.gov/historic-preservation/historic-buildings/historic-building-survey-and-inventory/live-better-electrically-the-gold-medallion-electric-home-campaign

Live Better Electrically: The Gold Medallion Electric Home Campaign

One of the most effective mass marketing home campaigns of all time was the “Live Better Electrically” (LBE) program of the post-World War II era. It began in the mid 1950s when the General Electric (GE) and Westinghouse corporations decided to co-sponsor a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign to promote the sales of electric appliances and to tout the benefits of electric power. General Electric provided the main support for the program, which launched in March of 1956.

At the time, utility companies were rushing to meet the increased demand for electricity in postwar America. However, as more power plants came on line the cost of electricity decreased. To increase company profits, homeowners were encouraged to consume more power through the purchase of a variety of electric products. For GE and Westinghouse, the creation of a new market for electric heat also promised to increase company profits. Additionally, the two corporations not only sold residential electric heating units and a variety of household appliances, but they also sold electrical generating equipment to utility companies nationwide.

Supported nationwide by 900+ electric utilities and 180 electricity manufacturers, the electricity industry launched the LBE campaign through a variety of media outlets. The initial launch came with the offer to send a free 70+ page brochure to homeowners which told them how their lives could be enriched by the use of electricity and purchase of electric appliances.

To further the new program, in October 1957 the National Electrical Manufacturers Association launched the "Medallion Homes" campaign, which sought to sell initially 20,000 all-electric homes nationwide within a year. The program had five basic goals: 1) to provide prospective homebuyers with a recognized symbol of electrical excellence for new home construction 2) to raise the electrical standards in new construction 3) to help builders sell homes by educating their customers to the benefits of electrical living 4) to show existing homeowners electrical features and fixtures that were needed in their present homes 5) to give national support to existing programs that were being sponsored by local utilities to upgrade existing home electrification.

More at link

[CoopersDad]

38. Utilities used to cut the per kWh price if you used more and more electricity

That was before regulation flipped the script, at least in California.

[hunter]

48. Homes in one neighborhood I grew up in had Gold Medallion doorbell buttons.

Those are collector items now.

Developers who built all electric homes got all sorts of swag, as illustrated in your link.

Love the Ronald Reagan ad. The last time I saw him in person he didn't know where the hell he was or what he was doing there.

Unfortunately he was our president.

[eShirl]

49. Decades ago we switched from gas to electric, w/a backup wood cookstove

really don't miss gas at all

[Joinfortmill]

50. All this is new info to me, but gas anything always made me nervous...

Had gas heat when I lived in SC. Always had a fear the gas line would explode.