The Rude Pundit: The End of Roe v Wade Is Part of the End of the United States

[babylonsister]

The Rude Pundit
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1/21/2023
The End of Roe v Wade Is Part of the End of the United States


I can pretty much guarantee you a few things are going to happen in the near to not-too-distant future regarding abortion rights in the United States. I don't believe a national ban will happen unless the Supreme Court decides to force it. Instead, the insanity of our abortion policy in this country and the Christian extremism driving the legislatures of many states will lead to even more ludicrous and oppressive laws.

For example, laws will be passed that will punish anyone who helps someone living in an anti-abortion state to travel to another state to receive an abortion. Those laws will evolve to allow an anti-abortion state to seek the extradition of providers who perform abortions on women from that state. It will get crazy: when a doctor in New Mexico performs an abortion on a woman from Texas and someone alerts Texas authorities, that New Mexico doctor will have a warrant for their arrest, which New Mexico will ignore, causing greater tension between the states. And if the doctor happens to travel to Texas, they are open to being locked up and charged. By the way, this isn't a fantasy. It's already in bills being filed in Texas and other states.

I think it will go much further. I think we're going to get to the point where, if someone informs on them, pregnant women will be blocked from leaving the state to get an abortion, perhaps even imprisoning them. Once fetal personhood laws pass, I don't see how this isn't an immediate consequence.

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This should be the 50th anniversary of a Supreme Court decision that stated, quite clearly, that the people of the United States should be treated equally, that the religious views of a vocal group of Christian extremists shouldn't take precedence over the bodily autonomy of half the population. With Roe gone, we have taken another step towards the dissolution of the idea of a United States. It's unsustainable that half the states allow a woman control over her reproduction choices and half the states do not. It's impossible to reconcile that, and it's inevitable that conflicts between the states will arise over this. For now, those conflicts will be legal ones.

But look at the extremism of the anti-choice Christian right. If the right to an abortion gets codified at the national level, it's not out of the realm of possibility that, say, Mississippi will say it won't abide by the law. And then what? Troops keeping clinics open like back in the days of desegregation and schools? More states following? Or what if the out-of-control right-wing Supreme Court takes the next step and outlaws abortion completely? Do you really think California is going to listen? In my most pessimistic hours, I believe that this is ultimately the goal of the Christian nationalists: if not an outright one, then a de facto dissolution of the United States, where the states declare a 10th Amendment right or something to disobey the Supreme Court or Congress. I'm not going full Handmaid's Tale, but I'm sure saying that a whole lot of the country wouldn't mind it.

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[cilla4progress]

1. I think the "election" of tfg to president

signalled the beginning of the end...

When the world's "most stable" democracy goes the way of the US at this time - with rampant corruption at every level in the federal government - the writing is on the wall.

Your results may vary....

[Hermit-The-Prog]

2. The Subversive 6 on the Extreme Court are a threat to the nation.

They are unfit to be on the Court. They ignore logic, precedent, and the U.S. Contitution to promote their extreme ideology.

[Sky Jewels]

3. OTOH, it could also trigger the exact opposite: backlash that ends the GOP as a national party.

People born after 1975 are not buying the GQP's shit. They are pissed off. And they are becoming a larger and larger percentage of the voting block every single year.

[mwb970]

4. Even now, the public in general is on the liberal side of every important issue.

Sometimes by big majorities.

[Sky Jewels]

9. Yep. I think GQP leadership knows Trump/the coup attempt/2022 midterms were their

last shot to consolidate permanent power through destroying democracy and free elections. That was the plan. It almost worked. Almost. But they didn't get away with it, thanks to those meddling kids. And now they face an uphill fight, because their base is dying off and it's not being replaced by people aging into embracing their far right wing bullshit. The "grew-up-with-the-internet" set can't be as easily fooled by propaganda spewed by outlets like Fox News. (They're rejecting religious propaganda, too, so who is going to be cannon fodder on the side of the apoplectic in the War on Christmas now?) They are overwhelmingly pro-choice, and they want gun control, action on climate change, affordable higher education, fair wages, and so on. And they want gay and trans people to have equal rights. Imagine that.

[vercetti2021]

18. Idk about that

Gen X seems to be buying into the bullshit and millennials are seeming to drift into that way too. Gen Z and alpha might be our only hope

[Sky Jewels]

20. Well, the first half of Gen X (of which I am a member) always sucked.

Especially those of us born in the mid-late 1960s. I started high school when that mfer Reagan got elected. A lot of my age cohort drank the right wing Republican Kool Aid and are still drinking (yes, exceptions abound, as with every generation).

Younger Gen Xers and Millennials are a different story. It will be interesting to see what happens to them as they head further into middle age. I think the end of Roe is going to keep them on the more liberal side of the aisle.

[Efilroft Sul]

25. Your experience is my experience. My high school and college cohort sucks.

[vercetti2021]

26. Not sure about older millennials

Like myself I'm seeing only +2 for Dems in 2022 from my generation. To me I think we are gonna see millennials become more conservative especially older ones. They'll buy into the horseshit more as time passes

[republianmushroom]

5. like it

[certainot]

6. giving up on US democracy before doing anything about rw radio is idiotic but it is constant

when an MSNBC host asks 'the experts' whatever happened to the GOP they never mention talk radio, fox's invisible shithole parent. they're idiots, analyzing fish without water.

when dems stop ignoring it the radio ad industry will have to democratize the monopoly, the country will go 15 its left, and republicans will go back to semi permanent minority

[Just A Box Of Rain]

7. Nope. As much as it would delight many extremists, liberal democracy in the United States

isn't going to fail.

We will have setbacks, and ongoing challenges from populist extremism, but the sane political center will hold.

[ancianita]

8. Today, some Democratic leaders are posting on social media how they will "fight" to codify Roe.

I'm only sharing what a poster told told Sen. Tammy Duckworth, on FB today, because the claim about the outcome of Dobbs is similar to what the Rude Pundit calls the "de facto dissolution of the United States..."

"Senator Duckworth? Democrats let that happen.

They failed to take their political opponents seriously at state levels.
They failed to fight hard enough for proper vetting of SCOTUS candidates at federal levels.
They failed HALF their voters.

LEST YOU DEMOCRATS CONTINUE THIS FAILURE:
Democrats had better not take THAT HALF for granted any more.
It doesn't matter that you think that THAT HALF will have nowhere else to go, because...

If Democrats don't get some Republicans to GET BACK the body autonomy rights of THAT HALF, democracy will die, sooner or later.
Democrats need to stand with where that half lives -- having no more democratic rights -- because THAT HALF LIVES WHERE DEMOCRACY DIES.

Think about this half who suffer. Don't just give them lippy-lip service.

CODIFY ROE. DON'T JUST PERFORM CONCERN TODAY.
IF YOU "DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER" YOU WILL MAKE SURE THAT DEMOCRATS AND SOME HOUSE REPUBLICANS

CODIFY ROE."

[vlyons]

10. Isn't the real problem the extreme RW evangelical Christian cult?

I call them the Christian Taliban. Not only do they want to outlaw ALL abortion, but they won't be happy until they outlaw sodomy, same-sex marriage, gender reassignment, cross-dressing, and ultimately their form of Christianity as the state religion.

[yankee87]

19. RW X-tians

Also remember that many of those whackos believe we are living in the End Times. They are a cult of death.

[Sky Jewels]

33. One of the best things that has happened in recent years is a sharp decline in religious belief

amongst the young. I'm hopeful that the trend will continue, and continue to accelerate.

[DownriverDem]

11. State by State

Michigan has strong progressive women running our state. We voted to protect choice. We have the same rights as we did under Roe. Come to Michigan. You will be welcomed big time.

[Hope22]

15. Sounds better and better!

I am so proud of what your state has accomplished. You got your gerrymandering under control first and the rest is rising into shape! Ohio, your barefoot and pregnant cousin is falling deeper into the abyss! We have some very sick folk down here!

[roamer65]

31. Referenda.

That is the key.

We have borrowed the California approach.

What happens in California eventually filters out to the rest of the nation.

[Xoan]

27. Tempted to move back to my home state ...

but I like winter so much better where I am.

[roamer65]

30. Michigan and Ontario are becoming very similar.

🇨🇦

[Hope22]

12. Fetal personhood is an hysterical concept

In a country where women don’t have equal rights it’s insanity. When will people wake up and see what is going on here? Men need to speak up and speak out now. Women 50+ years taking the stand and here we are! This s#$& has got to stop. The last train is about to leave the station!

[moonshinegnomie]

13. i think this is going to result in violence

and its going to be directed at the right.
because of gerrymandering right wing legislators especially at the state level can pretty much act with impunity,passing the most draconian bills they can imagine because there are no consequences.

I wont be surprised if they start to pay real physical consequences. I can see a man whose wife dies because she cant get an abortion deciding to take revenge on politicians who enacted those laws.

I dont condone it but i can envision it happening

[Initech]

14. The MAGA shitheads running for school boards and banning books is insane.

I personally blame Rupert Murdoch' and the Fox News cult for this, but I'm sure that there's more to it than that.

[FrankTC]

16. Quid Pro Quo: Make It A Felony

To interfere, attempt to interfere, or conspire to interfere with a US resident’s health care, or access to healthcare, or relationship with a healthcare provider. Then start extraditing anti-abortionists if they interfere with reproductive health services in pro-choice states, even for nonresidents who come temporarily. Arrest them if they show their snouts outside Handmaid America. Or if necessary, don’t go the criminal route, set it up so that a citizen can sue and win $10,000. I recognize that this proposal is not a step toward civil comity.

[BOSSHOG]

17. Time to do away with the separation of church and state

When the Pope receives his property tax bill from.the US, he might have a counseling session with his US Lunatic, freedom hating Bisops in the US. The sooner the better.

However I think freedom will win out over the radical evangelists. And sooner then later. Because good just about always wins out over evil in the long run.

[bluestarone]

34. THIS! plus i would like to see

MORE religions and atheists get involved since the SC ruling. I want to see different religious groups fight each other. That is the consequences of the SC ruling!

[Justice matters.]

21. Alright then, let's encourage & help all pro-choice women to move to pro-choice states.

Once the christaliban states men-women ratio falls to 10-1... christaliban incels will self destroy.

[world wide wally]

22. perhaps ID checks at every state border?

[roamer65]

23. I have said in the past it is an "1860" moment.

I stick by that prediction.

Michigan, day by day, becomes more like a Canadian province.

[Efilroft Sul]

24. Every time a state curtails the freedom of its citizens, the states rights fans get hard-ons.

[calimary]

28. I'm keeping THIS thread, for sure.

[Xoan]

29. I think they do it on purpose ...

to provoke a 'civil' war.

[usedtobedemgurl]

32. At one point, an expert was on MSNBC...

Before the SC decision came down. They said if the court ruled as they ultimately ended up doing, there is NOTHING to keep states from ignoring it. SC does not make law, they rule on it. If someone does not agree, there is no course of action to enforce it. No cops will show up to a governor’s door, to arrest him, if a state decides to walk away from a ruling and do things their way. In effect, the SC had a lot of bark that depends on people taking the ruling and following it. Nothing is in place to make sure that comes true.

[housecat]

35. It seems that religious-in-name-only (the other RINO) fanatics and other fatally ignorant humans

have appeared throughout history. Eventually they lose, die, go under rocks, whatever, but then they reappear at another time in another body, with a different name. It's a cycle of change and no change. I don't disagree with the comments, and I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't even matter, given that the current geo-political madness can end it all, taking the planet and all life with them. And regardless of which side wins the current culture wars, it will cycle again.Villains don't die; they just recycle. And like past times, it appears that the smart get smarter and the stupid get stupider. This is progress. Personally I want to believe that those few who get smarter will save us from ourselves.
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[cbabe]

36. Pro abortion lawsuits by religious

https://abcnews.go.com › US › wireStory › group-faith-leaders-sue-challenging-missouri-abortion-law-96535791

Religious leaders sue to block Missouri's abortion ban

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https://www.reuters.com › world › us › florida-abortion-ban-violates-jews-religious-freedom-lawsuit-says-2022-06-14

Florida abortion ban violates Jews' religious freedom, lawsuit says

The lawsuit, filed in state court on Friday by Congregation L'Dor Va-Dor, also says that the abortion ban violates the right to privacy guaranteed by the state constitution. "Our office is...

https://www.rollingstone.com › culture › culture-features › satanic-temple-abortion-rights-supreme-court-1048833

Satanic Temple Could Bring Abortion Rights to Supreme Court - Rolling Stone

Our members are justly entitled to religious liberty in order to practice our rituals as well." The Satanic Temple has made these claims in multiple state and federal court cases on behalf of...