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demmiblue

(36,855 posts)
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 09:54 AM Jan 2023

Florida teachers told to remove books from classroom libraries or risk felony prosecution

Teachers in Manatee County, Florida, are being told to make their classroom libraries — and any other "unvetted" book — inaccessible to students, or risk felony prosecution. The new policy is part of an effort to comply with new laws and regulations championed by Governor Ron DeSantis (R). It is based on the premise, promoted by right-wing advocacy groups, that teachers and librarians are using books to "groom" students or indoctrinate them with leftist ideologies. 

Kevin Chapman, the Chief of Staff for the Manatee County School District, told Popular Information that the policy was communicated to principals in a meeting last Wednesday. Individual schools are now in the process of informing teachers and other staff.

Teachers in Manatee County lamented the news on social media. "My heart is broken for Florida students today as I am forced to pack up my classroom library," one Manatee teacher wrote on Facebook. 

Another Manatee teacher called the directive "a travesty to education" that interfered with efforts to "connect with books and develop [a] love of lifelong learning." 

https://popular.info/p/florida-teachers-told-to-remove-books









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Florida teachers told to remove books from classroom libraries or risk felony prosecution (Original Post) demmiblue Jan 2023 OP
teachers should strike. hard. mopinko Jan 2023 #1
Yes, they should strike, and if that doesn't bring about changes, they should all quit, LaMouffette Jan 2023 #60
A MAGAt parent, with a librarian chip on their shoulder, could easily plant a book to 'punish them.' TheBlackAdder Jan 2023 #83
or a magat principal who wants to get rid mopinko Jan 2023 #85
Or someone could target the MAGA principle or holy roller teacher. Even set up the PTA ass-kisser. TheBlackAdder Jan 2023 #93
What a horror...........surely, this cannot be legal ?? secondwind Jan 2023 #2
But it is legal... atreides1 Jan 2023 #7
+1 appalachiablue Jan 2023 #50
To paraphrase Emperor Palpatine Best_man23 Jan 2023 #37
RWers pass shitty laws, making it legal IronLionZion Jan 2023 #44
Across Florida... FeelingBlue Jan 2023 #3
Woah, not quite awake yet...was Thinking it Only Applied to... electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #20
And not just high school. ShazzieB Jan 2023 #90
In America, teachers, librarians, doctors go to jail for doing their jobs. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #4
Yup! SheltieLover Jan 2023 #35
Yes..that is what we know b/c of history but they are repeating Deuxcents Jan 2023 #45
Yes that is the point, to kill education. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #84
And Trump still walks the earth, a free man. SergeStorms Jan 2023 #61
It tells us criminals are in charge and can commit crimes with impunity. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #87
That is true for almost every authoritarian dictatorship. Caliman73 Jan 2023 #86
And this is what some people call Making America Great Again! ShazzieB Jan 2023 #91
Making America better for Putin and the GOP crime syndicate. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #92
I guess removing books beyond the students' level of comprehension cyclonefence Jan 2023 #5
By HS (maybe earlier) I was reading 4 grades above my level... electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #23
Yes, by the time I got to fourth grade I was reading material at young adult level in the library csziggy Jan 2023 #62
Cool! I was in fourth grade when I asked my dad if I could read the SF book he had on his side of... electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #77
In 2nd grade, I was reading at 8-9th grade level, far beyond many adults these days niyad Jan 2023 #25
Dumbest kids.... Hope22 Jan 2023 #72
Josef Stalin would be proud of such a policy bucolic_frolic Jan 2023 #6
Great pioneer of modern education, Joseph Stalin. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #36
As if any teacher Diamond_Dog Jan 2023 #8
I don't think that's it, I think it's leftist views. dewsgirl Jan 2023 #12
I'm sure it's several things they hate Diamond_Dog Jan 2023 #14
I and my children are lifelong Floridians, this is just beyond what I dewsgirl Jan 2023 #17
If it was titled "The Grifting Tree" it probably would have been fine. nt woodsprite Jan 2023 #33
Indeed, LoL that would be perfect.😁 dewsgirl Jan 2023 #97
There was a time when America competed for the best minds. LakeVermilion Jan 2023 #9
They should just remove ALL books. Chipper Chat Jan 2023 #10
My thought too Rebl2 Jan 2023 #40
What's the next logical step? Diamond_Dog Jan 2023 #80
So much ''freedom' in Florida (and Texas). I've vowed never to sinkingfeeling Jan 2023 #11
Who wants to teach in these states??? Eyeball_Kid Jan 2023 #30
More fascists. No education or teaching experience required, just repeat Republican propaganda. Lonestarblue Jan 2023 #71
Freedom to be a stupid shit. SergeStorms Jan 2023 #63
I taught school in Mesquite in 1986. Chipper Chat Jan 2023 #82
Insane Johnny2X2X Jan 2023 #13
It's truly fucking insane. Initech Jan 2023 #32
As a life long Floridian (until 2 yrs ago) born and raised, dewsgirl Jan 2023 #15
Ron De Santis: Doing the devil's work. Baitball Blogger Jan 2023 #16
Rupert Murdoch is Satan. Initech Jan 2023 #54
Terrible, but remember a majority of FL voters chose him. They WANT imposition, Hortensis Jan 2023 #18
I'm waiting for "Inherit The Wind" to be forbidden from Florida theaters n/t DFW Jan 2023 #19
Florida has become a fascist state. marmar Jan 2023 #21
Majority of the immigrants fled their respective countries to the USA....... Lovie777 Jan 2023 #22
Sickos Beetwasher. Jan 2023 #24
When I was in the flaccid phallus state in the mid-90's, it was ranked in the niyad Jan 2023 #26
Felony prosecution for having books. louis-t Jan 2023 #27
exactly. Akacia Jan 2023 #78
". . . seeking volunteers to assist . . . " AverageOldGuy Jan 2023 #28
This is some straight up Nazi shit. Initech Jan 2023 #29
They should start by removing the Bible from any school/classroom. nt avebury Jan 2023 #31
Bingo! SergeStorms Jan 2023 #65
What nonsense. Why bother kacekwl Jan 2023 #34
Because that would be TOO obvious....oh wait. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2023 #38
Like North Korea treestar Jan 2023 #52
They should all quit! SheltieLover Jan 2023 #39
Fuck Guv. Man Bewbs Aviation Pro Jan 2023 #41
They better remove the Bible too RealityBasedNewYorkr Jan 2023 #42
Students leaving Florida schools should be assumed to have not graduated HS. plimsoll Jan 2023 #43
Can the moniss Jan 2023 #46
Banning books in schools, smoking indoors in the US Capitol again IronLionZion Jan 2023 #47
And Floridians keep electing this monster. lindysalsagal Jan 2023 #48
a clear sign of stupidity treestar Jan 2023 #49
Felony? This is absolute madness. Hekate Jan 2023 #51
No wonder there's labor shortages. BradBo Jan 2023 #53
Remember Fahrenheit 451? Jim__ Jan 2023 #55
The Republicans will lose this battle in the end. fightforfreedom Jan 2023 #56
Seems like Florida Republicans dislike most books Bettie Jan 2023 #57
They should lie about what they have... MiHale Jan 2023 #58
The desert of conservatism. The Unmitigated Gall Jan 2023 #59
Mainstream medias will avoid extended coverage. twodogsbarking Jan 2023 #64
How long until the book buring starts? Richard D Jan 2023 #66
The Big, Brave GOP Wednesdays Jan 2023 #67
Are they going to have children snitch to their right wingnut job parents? DBoon Jan 2023 #68
Welcome to fascist Florida geardaddy Jan 2023 #69
Ron DeSantas has this planned for the ENTIRE UNITED STATES YoshidaYui Jan 2023 #70
Kids can bring their own books from home. Parents get busy stuffing those book bags. cbabe Jan 2023 #73
I think the first, adult-type book I read was Watership Down. Torchlight Jan 2023 #74
Fascism. Martin68 Jan 2023 #75
Fahrenheit 451 doesn't seem like fiction anymore. zanana1 Jan 2023 #76
Ever since DeSantis took office in 2019 I've thought he's using Florida as a test case for how far Hekate Jan 2023 #79
He absolutely is. And his conservative corporate donors love it. Timeflyer Jan 2023 #89
I think I should get Dr Suess on the banned list. mercuryblues Jan 2023 #81
Republicans are scared of books, ideas, ideals, and actual history. Such cowardly snowflakes. ZonkerHarris Jan 2023 #88
"Build the Wall and make Mexico pay for it." Marcuse Jan 2023 #94
Dasantis is a good Nazi . geretogo Jan 2023 #95
I hope some teacher(s) is brave enough to stand up to this........ Takket Jan 2023 #96
AP AfroAmerican Studies Course flyfreebird Jan 2023 #98

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
1. teachers should strike. hard.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 09:59 AM
Jan 2023

if i taught there, i’d make sure i had every book on their crooked lil list in my classroom.
and the 1st teacher to get cuffed should trigger a statewide walk out. and parents better damn well be right there.
fuck the courts. the line must be drawn.

LaMouffette

(2,035 posts)
60. Yes, they should strike, and if that doesn't bring about changes, they should all quit,
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 12:03 PM
Jan 2023

like Florida teacher Janet Allen did. Just a massive, all-at-once resignation.

[link:https://www.news-press.com/story/opinion/2022/10/25/florida-teachers-why-so-many-leaving-their-jobs-ron-desantis/10565180002/|

Here's an excerpt from the article, written by the teacher's father:

Though sad to leave Lake View after seven years, she and husband Kevin Allen moved to Florida to live near us, before giving birth to her own daughter, Summer.

Still needing to teach, she was awarded a position at Venice High School, where she became known for the college level rigor of her instruction and was asked to teach Advanced Placement English Literature for college bound seniors. Administrators routinely showcased Allen’s classes when V.I.P.'s visited.

Additionally, she founded and became faculty sponsor of Venice’s first Gender and Sexualities Alliance (GSA), to help LGBTQIA+ students who faced intensified bullying after Trump became president.

This past year, Janet Allen’s AP students earned the highest scores in the district; she received the “highly effective” evaluation for superior teachers; and GSA members had finally begun to feel that they belonged.

So it was a shock to many when she announced she must resign

The reason? Governor Ron DeSantis’s inserting himself into school classrooms with his anti-woke hatred, with bans on books, on critical race theory, and on sexual orientation and gender identity discussion and instruction.

Allen believes DeSantis’s stranglehold killed the creativity, autonomy, and motivation that made her profession fulfilling, and helped give Sarasota schools its annual A rating.

She had been warned, for example, to stop using Maya Angelou’s I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings and Toni Morrison’s The Bluest Eye, and other highly acclaimied novels containing truths related to sexual orientation or racism.

TheBlackAdder

(28,203 posts)
83. A MAGAt parent, with a librarian chip on their shoulder, could easily plant a book to 'punish them.'
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 02:50 PM
Jan 2023

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
85. or a magat principal who wants to get rid
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 03:08 PM
Jan 2023

of a troublesome liberal teacher.
there’s sooooo much room for mischief here.

Best_man23

(4,898 posts)
37. To paraphrase Emperor Palpatine
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:12 AM
Jan 2023

DeathSentence will "make it legal."

There is going to be a Scopes trial coming out of this, there will be a teacher somewhere who resists this wholly immoral and illegal edict from an overbearing tin plated dictator with delusions of Godhood.

FeelingBlue

(681 posts)
3. Across Florida...
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:08 AM
Jan 2023

I hope that teachers will discuss this ban on classroom libraries, leading students in think about the implications of this, the purpose, etc. Juniors and seniors are getting ready to be voters. Time for the teachers to do their thing and get students to THINK about choosing people on the ballot who actually represent them. Between this and the news about George Santos and Elisa Stefanik, teachers have a lot of material from which students can learn about how things work- -that isn’t even in books yet.

electric_blue68

(14,906 posts)
20. Woah, not quite awake yet...was Thinking it Only Applied to...
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:37 AM
Jan 2023

Grade School! (which is still problematic!)


But...omg...High School...HIGH SCHOOL??!!!! 😮😑🤬


ShazzieB

(16,407 posts)
90. And not just high school.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 05:25 PM
Jan 2023

It sounds like AP classes, which are supposed to be college level, are being subjected to the same constraints. How long will it be before high school kids in Florida will no longer be able to get college credit for so-called AP classes taught under the repressive and retrogressive DeSantis regime? It's bound to happen, because there's no way college level instruction can take place in such a restrictive environment.

When fully accredited institutions of higher learning figure out that they can't count on AP classes offered in Florida public schools being taught at a true college level, they're not going to be comfortable awarding college credit for them. Which defeats the purpose of offering such classes. This will open a whole can of worms that no governor wih a lick of sense would want to open (but that of course will not stop DeSantis).

Seems to me that an awful lot of Florida parents are going to be massively displeased if their kids get to college and find out they have to retake courses they took as AP classes in high school.

Irish_Dem

(47,108 posts)
4. In America, teachers, librarians, doctors go to jail for doing their jobs.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:10 AM
Jan 2023

In an autocracy it is important to get control of educated professionals.

When Hitler invaded Poland he shot all the intelligentsia first thing.

Deuxcents

(16,223 posts)
45. Yes..that is what we know b/c of history but they are repeating
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:30 AM
Jan 2023

The beginnings of the 1930’s n they don’t want to teach it. This governor is killing our public education system

Irish_Dem

(47,108 posts)
84. Yes that is the point, to kill education.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 03:03 PM
Jan 2023

A successful democracy depends upon an educated populace.

The GOP does not want a successful democracy, so education must go.

Oh yes, history is a big threat to fascists. The people must not know what
happened in the past when fascism took hold.

Irish_Dem

(47,108 posts)
87. It tells us criminals are in charge and can commit crimes with impunity.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 03:34 PM
Jan 2023

While law abiding, hard working Americans doing their jobs risk going to jail.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
86. That is true for almost every authoritarian dictatorship.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 03:16 PM
Jan 2023

Pinochet in Chile, The Taliban in Afghanistan, Saddam Hussein in Iraq, the Ayatollah's in Iran, etc...

All of them went after teachers and students. Knowledge is the enemy of tyranny. What does it say about your ideology when you have to persecute those who seek to pass on knowledge and wisdom?

Conservatives cannot survive in a world where they do not control the narrative.

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
5. I guess removing books beyond the students' level of comprehension
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:12 AM
Jan 2023

endangers all supplemental textbooks and study guides for subjects like math and chemistry. And is the level of students' comprehension based on the dumbest kid in the class's comprehension or that of the brainiac?

I believe reading books beyond one's level of comprehension is the first step in learning something new.

electric_blue68

(14,906 posts)
23. By HS (maybe earlier) I was reading 4 grades above my level...
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:41 AM
Jan 2023

this could be particularly boring for the brighter students, plus any student trying improve their skills! 😑

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
62. Yes, by the time I got to fourth grade I was reading material at young adult level in the library
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 12:09 PM
Jan 2023

By the time I was in seventh, I was allowed (by request of my parents) to read anything I wanted in the public library. M

electric_blue68

(14,906 posts)
77. Cool! I was in fourth grade when I asked my dad if I could read the SF book he had on his side of...
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 01:21 PM
Jan 2023

the long bureau they had. (such a beautiful bureau!)

So maybe by 6th grade+ my reading level went up.

niyad

(113,318 posts)
25. In 2nd grade, I was reading at 8-9th grade level, far beyond many adults these days
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:46 AM
Jan 2023

(who, according to studies, read at or below 6th grade).

I would ask, WTAF, but we all know the answers.

jaxexpat

(6,831 posts)
36. Great pioneer of modern education, Joseph Stalin.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:11 AM
Jan 2023

He brought Russia out of the dark ages and straight into the bright search lights of re-education.

Diamond_Dog

(32,002 posts)
8. As if any teacher
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:16 AM
Jan 2023

has shelves full of pornography or sexually explicit books on shelves in their classrooms! This is just ridiculous!

Diamond_Dog

(32,002 posts)
14. I'm sure it's several things they hate
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:25 AM
Jan 2023

But “pornography” was mentioned in the first bullet point.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
17. I and my children are lifelong Floridians, this is just beyond what I
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:34 AM
Jan 2023

ever imagined. I wonder what they consider to be pornography? It's likely something we would never imagine to be porn. I think they already challenged a Shel Silverstein book, one I read a thousand times since the 2nd grade, I have no idea why they banned it.💔

Edit: shockingly it's Shel Silverstein's the Giving Tree of all things.💔

LakeVermilion

(1,041 posts)
9. There was a time when America competed for the best minds.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:16 AM
Jan 2023

There was a time when diverse thoughts led to unparalleled creativity. Its obvious for all of our exceptionalism, the Right is determined to create a country that limits free thought and opportunity.

History is repeating itself. Florida and the "red states" are moving to "The Dark Ages Redux."

Chipper Chat

(9,679 posts)
10. They should just remove ALL books.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:16 AM
Jan 2023

Just make students go to the Internet for help. Cause ya know they are safe from any porn there.

Rebl2

(13,516 posts)
40. My thought too
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:15 AM
Jan 2023

Think I would quit teaching actually. Become a private tutor in subject you feel you are strong in.

sinkingfeeling

(51,457 posts)
11. So much ''freedom' in Florida (and Texas). I've vowed never to
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:20 AM
Jan 2023

step foot in either state again. Lived in south Florida 1977-1979 and near Dallas 1986-1989.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
30. Who wants to teach in these states???
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:04 AM
Jan 2023

How are these two states going to recruit teachers?

Who would voluntarily sign up to teach in a fascist educational system? Fascists?

Lonestarblue

(9,998 posts)
71. More fascists. No education or teaching experience required, just repeat Republican propaganda.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 12:28 PM
Jan 2023

Florida students are being seriously shortchanged with this stupidity. Schools in blue states that are finding it difficult to hire enough teachers should go on recruiting campaigns to Florida. With help paying moving expenses, I suspect they might be able to fill their vacancies with fed-up Florida teachers. I think it was Arizona that was recruiting teachers from the Philippines.

The Republican dumbing down of US education continues. According to Pew Research:

“The most recent PISA results, from 2015, placed the U.S. an unimpressive 38th out of 71 countries in math and 24th in science. Among the 35 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which sponsors the PISA initiative, the U.S. ranked 30th in math and 19th in science.”
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/

Republicans will argue that their removal of books from classrooms and libraries has nothing to do with science and math, but they’re wrong. Some of the books that will be removed will include any that mention of climate warming or alternative energy. And they may get around to demanding that biology books no longer illustrate the human body or have any mention of sexual organs. Eventually, textbooks will have to contain fake photos showing fetal development, as well as anti-abortion propaganda spewed by right-wing evangelicals. And let me not forget the topic of evolution, which evangelicals have been trying to get rid of for decades. Earth science may be required to teach the Biblical version of Earth’s age rather than the facts that contradict the Bible. And of course there were no humans on Earth before Adam and Eve.

Math requires reading to understand how to apply mathematical concepts, and denying children the opportunity to read books that interest them results in fewer kids interested in reading at all. Teachers have also been trying to introduce more diversity of writers in their classrooms so that students see that ideas and value come from writers with many different ethnicities and experiences. Minority writers will be banned as teaching CRT. Literature will return to a curriculum based only dead white guys, as if only white male ideas are important.

This whole movement is so discouraging because people with children are allowing and encouraging Republicans to deny their children and all children in a state a well-rounded education.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
63. Freedom to be a stupid shit.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 12:10 PM
Jan 2023

Why don't they just have some good, old fashioned book burnings down in Florida? Get all the books together that Governor DeSatan doesn't approve of and burn those damned things!

What the fuck is wrong with people down there? Has the sun cooked their brains into refried shit?

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
13. Insane
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:23 AM
Jan 2023

Books, we're banning books. Only the state gets to decide what your kids get to read, not you, not their teacher, but the state, politicians in your state capitol.

The party of "Freedumb" wants absolute control over the thoughts of your children. They decide, not you.

Initech

(100,079 posts)
32. It's truly fucking insane.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:05 AM
Jan 2023

When I found out that my local school board was banning and any mention of CRT, I just about blew a gasket. Even worse, I knew the exact fucking assholes responsible for this. It's unbelievable that the same people who cry about their freedoms being taken away want to live in a fascist theocracy.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
15. As a life long Floridian (until 2 yrs ago) born and raised,
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:28 AM
Jan 2023

my education was in FL. as were my children, the education system has been in a slow slide down for a very long time, but this is beyond infuriating and breaks my heart. I truly never imagined things could get this bad, I fear it's only going to get worse.😥💔

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Terrible, but remember a majority of FL voters chose him. They WANT imposition,
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:34 AM
Jan 2023

or "restoration" as they foolishly imagine, of their own vague notions of old-fashioned conservative Christian religious and social moral codes. Even conservatives who worry about this going too far are satisfied that it at least is in the "right direction": at war with the liberalism supposedly destroying our nation.

People who could elect tRump twice would be incapable of understanding their own religions' moral codes even if they hadn't rejected them, but in FL and across the nation they imagine this is what good, moral people do.

FL's "the people who have spoken," most authoritarian leaning and worse, will approve the prosecution of teachers who refuse their mandate. And worse.

Lovie777

(12,271 posts)
22. Majority of the immigrants fled their respective countries to the USA.......
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:37 AM
Jan 2023

because of shit like this, abusive and the lack of freedom, lack of choice, and constant fear, and yet, Florida and other red states and headed into the realm of fascism.

niyad

(113,318 posts)
26. When I was in the flaccid phallus state in the mid-90's, it was ranked in the
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:51 AM
Jan 2023

bottom 5 in education. What is lower than 50th (and are we counting the territories?)?

louis-t

(23,295 posts)
27. Felony prosecution for having books.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:54 AM
Jan 2023

Welcome to Fahrenheit 451. Will Desatan send the fireman to burn all the books?

Initech

(100,079 posts)
29. This is some straight up Nazi shit.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:00 AM
Jan 2023

The Christian right has gone way too far. I personally would be extremely happy to see some of these fuckers prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
34. What nonsense. Why bother
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:08 AM
Jan 2023

anymore jut close the damn schools and turn them into right wing media watching /reading room. Complete with shrines to DeSantis and trump and be done with it.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
52. Like North Korea
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:40 AM
Jan 2023

I bet they really envy NK. Able to block anything they don't want to hear and have citizens who simply worship them.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
39. They should all quit!
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:13 AM
Jan 2023


Easier said than done, I realize, but they work way too hard to be threatened for doing their jobs!

Do they have a union?

Guessing pootin found another loophole to have his stooges exploit.

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
43. Students leaving Florida schools should be assumed to have not graduated HS.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:26 AM
Jan 2023

From this point forward students leaving Florida colleges should not be assumed to have met the requirements of their degrees or certificates. All Florida medical and dental students should be treated as having graduated from non-certificated schools. Sure the Red states will not adopt that, but the blue states don't need to accept Floriduhs word for anything henceforth.

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
47. Banning books in schools, smoking indoors in the US Capitol again
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:31 AM
Jan 2023

GOP is really making America great again

treestar

(82,383 posts)
49. a clear sign of stupidity
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:39 AM
Jan 2023

is the approach to ideas that you need to stop them by keeping people from hearing about them.

If you need the book with leftist views off the shelf, you are stating that you can only keep people from having leftist views by blocking their access to other expressions of the views.

And they will still come up anyway.

BradBo

(531 posts)
53. No wonder there's labor shortages.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:43 AM
Jan 2023

Who wants to be a teacher with these restrictions. Who wants to be a cop too? Way to many guns out there.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
56. The Republicans will lose this battle in the end.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:55 AM
Jan 2023

They can't control their extremism and they always go to far in the end. From what I have been hearing they have banned some books that have ben around for a very long time. They are fucking idiots and Desantis the Dork is one of the biggest idiots.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
57. Seems like Florida Republicans dislike most books
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:56 AM
Jan 2023

so, what do the kids get now? Bible picture books, the works of Ann Coulter, and other right wingnuts?

MiHale

(9,728 posts)
58. They should lie about what they have...
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:57 AM
Jan 2023

Doctor the lists, hide the books, get another copy of the books give them one, say you did then don’t, have reading “field trips” get away from the school.

Fight fire with republicanism.

DBoon

(22,366 posts)
68. Are they going to have children snitch to their right wingnut job parents?
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 12:17 PM
Jan 2023

How are they going to enforce this?

YoshidaYui

(41,831 posts)
70. Ron DeSantas has this planned for the ENTIRE UNITED STATES
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 12:27 PM
Jan 2023

once in office as PRESIDENT, BT we mut NOT let him win... fuck him!

Torchlight

(3,341 posts)
74. I think the first, adult-type book I read was Watership Down.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 12:51 PM
Jan 2023

It was available in my sixth-grade homeroom class, and I'd read ten minutes of per day (until I was halfway through it and the teacher asked if I wanted to take it. Thank you, Mrs. Pomeroy!). I finished reading it, and thought, "Wow! Adult books are way better Dynamite Magazine!"

Next year, I'm in the neighborhood middle school and I find out the same author wrote another book called Plague Dogs. Went to school library and found it in card catalog, went to get it from the shelves and turns out that previous summer, PTA had gotten infested with adults whose knowledge of the reading material was limited to book covers, but no matter-- Plague Dogs, Charlotte's Web and Bridge to Terabithia had been removed from the shelves, in addition to a dozen other titles I can't remember.

Last week, wife told me our state of Texas has banned 801 books, spanning 22 school districts, in the past year — more than any other state. The assertion that conservatives are more afraid of ideas than they are of hunger (loose attribution to Pres. Carter) seems more and more concrete every day.

She followed that up with one grim statement: "If you block access to opinions and knowledge, you block access to education." I think she's right, a slow defunding of education is part of the conservative agenda (so everyone is as unlearned as they?).

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
79. Ever since DeSantis took office in 2019 I've thought he's using Florida as a test case for how far
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 01:23 PM
Jan 2023

… he can go. He is a seriously dangerous man.

STUDENTS GATHER BOOKS FOR BOOK BURNING
Across Germany, students took books by truck, furniture van, even oxcart, and heaped them into pyres on public squares.



STUDENTS AND MEMBERS OF THE SA UNLOAD MATERIALS FOR BOOK BURNING
Students and members of the SA unload books deemed "un-German" during the book burning in Berlin.


Timeflyer

(1,993 posts)
89. He absolutely is. And his conservative corporate donors love it.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 03:50 PM
Jan 2023

And most teachers don't make enough money in FL to face all the consequences of crossing the Tallahassee Tyrant. The Proud Boys' Ladies Auxiliary, Mom's for Bigotry, have taken over school boards. Corporate charter school minions are running the state Board of Ed., helping push school privatization. Intimidating teachers and librarians is just one tactic. US beware.

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
81. I think I should get Dr Suess on the banned list.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 02:38 PM
Jan 2023

His children's books are a way to groom kids into read about his pornographic book.

7 naked sisters who vowed never to marry and be true to themselves.

Takket

(21,573 posts)
96. I hope some teacher(s) is brave enough to stand up to this........
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:26 PM
Jan 2023

I can understand the fear in doing so. Being threatened with prison is scary, I have to admit I wouldn't be brave enough to risk this, but there are many braver than me. Someone needs to fight it, and rally the public behind them.

Also it should be noted the library can stay accessible as long as the books are listed on the schools website. Though it says nothing about what this "vetting" process is. Can the teachers compile the list? a parents? a 3rd part contractor? who gets to say if the book is allowed or not? It's absurd no instructions are given... but hopefully they play along for now since kids need their books back, even if they have to jump through these absurd hoops to get them.

flyfreebird

(14 posts)
98. AP AfroAmerican Studies Course
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 09:56 AM
Jan 2023

First they came to ban books, then they came to ban AfroAmerican studies. what´s next, Hispanics, Asians studies? He keeps up with his "bannings, eventually shit is going to hit him in the face.

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