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Tue Jan 24, 2023, 12:32 AM

Three weeks and 38 mass shootings. This is America in 2023.

It's the guns.

A study published late last year in JAMA Network Open analyzed firearm deaths over the past three decades – a total of more than 1 million lives lost since 1990.



https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/23/politics/mass-shootings-in-2023-what-matters/index.html

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Reply Three weeks and 38 mass shootings. This is America in 2023. (Original post)
Swede Jan 24 OP
RockRaven Jan 24 #1
TigressDem Jan 24 #3
Irish_Dem Jan 24 #10
groundloop Jan 24 #16
Irish_Dem Jan 24 #19
whathehell Jan 24 #21
whathehell Jan 24 #22
certainot Jan 24 #18
certainot Jan 24 #17
Irish_Dem Jan 24 #20
certainot Jan 24 #24
Irish_Dem Jan 25 #25
certainot Jan 25 #26
Irish_Dem Jan 25 #27
certainot Jan 25 #28
Irish_Dem Jan 25 #29
TigressDem Jan 24 #2
Skittles Jan 24 #4
Blue Owl Jan 24 #5
live love laugh Jan 24 #6
Martin68 Jan 24 #15
SoCalDavidS Jan 24 #7
JI7 Jan 24 #8
Irish_Dem Jan 24 #9
DownriverDem Jan 24 #11
twodogsbarking Jan 24 #12
Dirty Socialist Jan 24 #13
niyad Jan 24 #14
dlk Jan 24 #23

Response to Swede (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 12:37 AM

1. Nothing will be done. That is also America in 2023.

There isn't even any hope of anything being done. Hell, we can't even realistically hope that the status quo simply holds. The unethical, unprofessional, and unaccountable Roberts Court will probably make things even worse.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 05:58 AM

10. The gun violence serves a purpose, the GOP will not give it up.

The GOP creates chaos, danger, fear, hatred.

Serves to keep a population docile and apathetic.
This is the basis of autocratic forms of government.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 07:11 PM

16. I have a SLIGHTLY less cynical opinion

Gun violence is simply the logical and inevitable result of allowing mass gun sales so the gun industry can profit.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 07:53 PM

19. Don't forget that Putin funded the NRA. So it is more than profit.

There is more to it. Much much more, the GOP benefits from installing fear into the population.

But don't worry on the cynicism front, most people have a way to go to catch up to me.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 08:14 PM

21. I share that less cynical opinion..

I think it's mainly about the money as well.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 08:15 PM

22. I share that less cynical opinion..

I think it's mainly about the money as well.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 07:40 PM

18. that increases the value of the insane certitude that their leaders feed them like a drug, easing th

the fear of uncertainty/need for certainty that drives authoritarianism

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 07:17 PM

17. nothing can get done because the GOP is afraid to piss off the RW radio stations that get them elect

elected, and because democrats ignore those radio stations, and what they repeat after all mass shootings

every time these mass murders happen those stations go on red alert defending the NRA and blaming the shooter and liberals calling for gun control and defunding police and making sure everyone has to be able to own assault weapons

a few hundred ignorant racists and assholes still imitating limbaugh on 1500 radio stations reaching 50 mil a week, saying whatever they want because all that repeated lying, exaggeration, and rationalization is UNCHALLENGED BY DEMOCRATS AND GUN CONTROL ADVOCATES.

and we ignore some amazing opportunities, such as ignoring that the uni of syracuse, 150 miles from the buffalo shooting supports 9 NRA stations - 6 ex limbaugh and 3 others

this would be a lot closer to over if the parkland protestors didn't ignore that 5 fla unis support 20 NRA stations. its ridiculous.

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Response to certainot (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 07:54 PM

20. The GOP controls the radio stations.

They could turn around the gun issue if they wanted.
In a short amount of time.

They don't want to.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 11:25 PM

24. the gop used to control the radio stations but the kremlin pulled limbaugh/rw radio away from establ

establishment GOP at least back in 2008 with the tea party and breitbart and paul manafort got limbaugh to hold his support for mccain until he picked palin. the russians used limbaugh to push palin on mccain and the rove/bush GOP establishment though he cost them the election. after that the Russians kept using him - for creating 'climategate' in 2009 and pushing debt ceiling default in 2011 and then heavy duty radicalization of republicans to election of limbaugh's neighbor and golf partner trump

they became the party of limbaugh and now they're headless and grieving and afraid of the gun nuts. they have depended heavily on parroting rw radio to get elected and still do and the dittoheads/teabags/trumpers/gun nuts call in to make sure the blowhards don't start wavering on gun control

maybe now that central control is gone maybe enough GOP can join in but as long idiots like cruz etc can filibuster there's little hope

the best way is for the Dem Party or an allied org to announce it's going to use the MIT prototype to digitize RW radio present and in retrospect and the cons will start abandoning ship

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Response to certainot (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:49 AM

25. Yes the US media is a propaganda arm of the Kremlin.

Some say the US is a Russian vassal state.

Look at Germany, same thing.

The Germans really don't want to help Ukraine, they align with Putin.
I think the US leaned on them to cough up the tanks, but first Germany wouldn't budge
until Poland had agreed to give them some money for weapons.

You can see why Putin thought invading Ukraine was a cake walk.
His puppets installed in western democracies had his back.
Didn't turn out that way completely.

I don't know how all of this will end.
Can we fight back?
Or has the US gone too far down the rabbit hole?

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:07 PM

26. IMO it started with talk radio and by 2008 allowing further radicalization of the GOP by putin

through point liar limbaugh. those radio stations are what keep the GOP pols in line on self destruct. and russians are using radio around the world.

but that could end quickly if dems/americans merely used AI to digitize and analyze samples of that propaganda operation so it can be read and analyzed and is no longer invisible. if dems stop ignoring rw radio media will be encouraged to stop ignoring it too, and do some research.

as long as democrats and progressives ignore rw radio the doomsayers are misguided and too pessimistic or trolls



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Response to certainot (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:21 PM

27. Yep. The hate talk radio was everywhere.

Even on military bases.

Controlling the flow of information is right from the KGB handbook.

Yes it is puzzling why we don't fight back. Yes it is so hard to see ruthless evil take over.
But also hard to see so little fight against it.

Certainly if we can see it, so can the people who get paid to notice Russia taking over
our media.

I didn't understand your last sentence about the doomsayers?

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:46 PM

28. i'm saying there are a lot of people giving up on democracy or talking about being

on the edge of doom while ignoring the major and only unique media advantage republicans/authoritarians have

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Response to certainot (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:53 PM

29. I'll take reality over happy talk any day.

And the reality is not pretty.

I have been a political junkie since JFK ran against Nixon.
That means I have seen a lot.

I think the current situation is quite serious and disturbing.
And I keep saying so.

Not to make people give up, but to start fighting back.

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Response to Swede (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 12:42 AM

2. So far this year 2023 US Deaths by Gun Violence ALL TYPES - 2,791 / Suicide 1,584



https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

PUBLISHED DATE: January 24, 2023

Total Number of GV Deaths - 2023

ALL Causes 2,791

Homicide/Murder/Unintentional/DGU 1,207

Suicide 1,584

Total Number of Injuries 2,109

Mass Shootings 38
Mass Murders 6

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Response to Swede (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 01:25 AM

4. gun humping cowards WON

mass shootings are now SOP in America

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Response to Swede (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 01:36 AM

5. But THANK GOD they took the gay M&Ms off the TV

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Response to Swede (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 02:09 AM

6. The changed definition of a "mass shooting" has racial undertones



When the Republican-Owned Media redefined the term mass shooting a few years ago, the number of victims was reduced to 4. Before that, the victim counts that qualified as mass shootings were in the teens or higher. And the shooters were predominantly white men.

As a result of redefinition, the number of mass shooting occurrences — not total victims — has skyrocketed. And mass shooters have gone from white to mostly black or POC.

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 02:08 PM

15. I don't know if racism was a motive, but I was glad to see the the number of victims required to

count as a mass shooting decreased because it helps to highlight the gun problem.

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Response to Swede (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 02:27 AM

7. I Fully Expect It To Get Even Worse In Years To Come

I hope I live long enough to move out of America, to a country where they actually place a value on human life.

Between guns and how people in America dealt with Covid, I'm done.

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Response to Swede (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 02:42 AM

8. How many of them were done by Females ?

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Response to Swede (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 05:56 AM

9. The shooters are always men. Why do they keep passing laws to get women under control?

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Response to Swede (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 09:48 AM

11. Yet

righties are blaming the government and not the people. That is insane.

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Response to Swede (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 09:53 AM

12. There needs to be a TV channel that is only for shootings.

Plenty of stories to cover and it would make a point.

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Response to Swede (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 09:57 AM

13. More Guns, Mo Money

The greedheads and malefactors of wealth are in absolute paradise. Isn’t that what ‘Murican Capitalism is all about?

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Response to Swede (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 10:56 AM

14. 24 days. 43 mass shootings so far.

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Response to Swede (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2023, 09:16 PM

23. We are living with tyranny disguised as freedom

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