I can't stop laughing. the news about Pence is really, really good news.

[fightforfreedom]

It gets Biden off the hook politically. Republicans can't attack Biden like they have been. MSNBC just showed an interview with Pence talking about Biden's documents. He is now wishing he did not do that interview now. It was bad.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

1. Between that and the Fani Willis news, I can't tear myself away from MSNBC!

[fightforfreedom]

10. When I saw Willis say decisions are imminent I knew exactly what that meant.

I jumped out of my chair. Now I am praying Trump is on the list, we don't know who she is charging. She could charge the fake electors first. Who knows.

[Justice matters.]

29. I read she said something like "a tape is a tape" (about the "call" for 11,780 votes)

She also said earlier "No One Is Above The Law"

[iemanja]

2. What's the news?

[fightforfreedom]

4. They found classified documents at Pences home.

[iemanja]

9. Great!

Thanks for the info!

[wnylib]

42. It might be good for Biden, but it is not good news for

potential charges against Trump on his classified documents case. It validates his claim that "every one does it."

[Alexander Of Assyria]

48. Everyone didn't turn over the documents and fight to keep them...and lie about it all.

Apple, oranges.

[wnylib]

60. I know that and so do you. But will the

general public see the differences? And how will that affect a jury if Trump is indicted?

[Alexander Of Assyria]

66. Judge Cannon...don't see a Judge Cannon or Special Master in the future here.

[tinrobot]

49. But not everyone lies to the FBI and tries to conceal documents

Both Biden and Pence gave the documents back immediately.

[wnylib]

61. See my #60.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

68. YES!!

[moonscape]

51. Now it puts their VP in the same position as Biden, but

still tfg in his own sandbox. Not that this is how these things work, but to me it further isolates Trump politically with the Pence dynamic.

[wnylib]

64. See my #60.

[Scrivener7]

73. Your #60 is correct.

[LymphocyteLover]

58. OMFG!!! LMAO!

[aka-chmeee]

65. But unlike The Biden case, for the media, at least

It will probably have all the staying power of a snowflake in August

[shelshaw]

5. Classified docs found at Pence's house

[iemanja]

7. Ooooooh

That is good news.

[shelshaw]

3. Is Obama's birth certificate classified?

They’ll be going there next

[BlackSkimmer]

6. I don't find any of this to be good news.

When I was in the military, classified documents were handled according to a specific protocol. I would never have been able to leave a building with them, or even my desk area.

I find this horrifying, no matter who has done it. Nothing funny or good news about it, imo.

This is not a game.

[AkFemDem]

12. I'm frankly shocked

Elected officials must have very different protocols than we lowly little GS workers and contractors when it comes to handling sensitive documents and cleared spaces. I seriously can’t believe this ish!

[BlackSkimmer]

14. It's really mind-boggling, isn't it?

It was a huge deal when someone in my office was going to be working on Top Secret material. It’s been many, many years, but I still remember it.

I used to hate it when it was me; you were essentially isolated from everyone when working with those materials.

Nothing about this is in the least amusing, nor is it good news.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

15. I guess for people who live in public housing (White House, VP residence) or have home offices...

... stuff gets mixed up.

Out of curiosity, for the classified stuff you had-- would you say most of it should have been classified? I get the impression that too many things are considered classified, but I might be wrong.

[fightforfreedom]

23. Many classified document are low level, no big deal.

What Trump stole was top secret, they are a very big deal. Then the dumb fuck refused to return them. We don't know what level the Pence an Biden documents are.

[BlackSkimmer]

28. Please tell us of your experience with classified documents?

“Low level” as you call them is NOT for you to decide.

[LymphocyteLover]

63. what "fight for freedom" said is what I have heard from multiple people who had handled

classified documents especially in light of the HRC and Trump cases.

[BlackSkimmer]

27. I worked almost exclusively with Top Secret classified.

I couldn’t possibly have ventured an opinion, nor would I now, as to whether it “should “ have been classified.

Most of it had to do with US installations overseas, and I was serving during the Cold War, so I assume they made classification decisions carefully.

Even now, that’s the most I’d care to say about it.

[Polly Hennessey]

33. I, too, worked with top secret documents.

The protocols were absolute. Guess handling them is different for elected officials than for we mere mortals.

[BlackSkimmer]

35. Yes, reading all this, along with some clueless comments, is blowing my mind.

It was a big deal, and I feel sure it still is.

[AkFemDem]

8. Not all good news. It also takes more pressure off Trump

This whole situation is ridiculous.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

16. I see this the same way.

Despite the clear differences, this helps "normalize" Trump's actions in the mind's of low-information voters.

Bad news, not good news.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

22. Agree with you both ... and then there's the fact it'll be dropped by the media in a day

or so ... 'viewers have burnt out on these stories about documents' will be their excuse. Plus, Pence is a nobody now, basically, not POTUS.

They won't stay on it like they did with Biden, not even close.

[BlackSkimmer]

31. This.

Well stated.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

50. The distinctions are so obvious, and now with Pence so plain, even the mass media

can’t do any kind of false equivalency.

Orange tried to steal the documents and lied about them, went to court…apples misplaced them and returned them.

[OverBurn]

40. +1

[wnylib]

43. Agree.

[Scrivener7]

37. Yep. That easily proven crime is now likely not going to be prosecuted.

[BumRushDaShow]

47. No it doesn't

because what caused the whole 45 situation to balloon was the fact that instead of voluntarily handing over stuff that NARA had spent nearly a year asking them for, NARA had to go to DOJ to obtain a search warrant and seizure of the documents.

There was no "search warrant" nor "seizure" in the case of Biden nor (as we know so far) the case of Pence.

[AkFemDem]

71. Good luck selling that to the

Low information voter. Most Americans are watching a half hour of news a night and they’re getting the light, fluffy, sanitized version. This in no way makes Trump look worse.

[uponit7771]

75. LIV knowledge doesn't decide law

[Skittles]

76. no one is interested in the cult vote

it's the so-called moderates / independents who count

[agingdem]

11. Pence wasted all that self-righteous bullshit for nothing...

definitely lightens the load on Biden and makes Trump's documents grab even more sinister...cool keepsakes, right, Donnie???

[fightforfreedom]

18. You get it.

[jcgoldie]

45. not to worry

No-one on earth has a more plentiful supply of self righteous bullshit than Mike Pence. Its the entirety of his personality.

[wnylib]

46. I think that it does the opposite.

It relieves pressure on Trump by validating his claim that "everyone does it."

Just coincidentally, two people that Trump considers among his worst enemies, Biden and Pence, are now found with documents, just prior to the possibility of Trump facing charges for having documents.

Yes, there are substantial differences, but the general public will not see it that way.

[agingdem]

70. I think you're wrong..

Last edited Tue Jan 24, 2023, 05:59 PM - Edit history (1)

it comes down to the warrant and obstruction..besides I want the DOJ to get the orange sewer-scum on sedition, inciting an insurrection, election interference , witness tampering...

[wnylib]

72. I think that DOJ will get Trump on some or

maybe even all of those charges. But the documents case is not so sure now.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

53. Yes, you get the obvious and light years differences, moral and legal.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

13. I think it's pretty clear by now...

... that the government has a ton of classified documents, and they're always getting misplaced, almost always by accident.

I'm even willing to believe that most of the classified documents at Mar-a-Lago got there by accident. It was Trump's refusal to return them that is the problem.

But you know who got the most unfair treatment for this? Hillary Clinton. She didn't even have any documents marked classified in her email, and that somehow became this year-long saga at the hands of the media and FBI. And she actually had a job at the time! Now it turns out anyone and everyone had actual classified documents in unsecured places after they left the government.

(By the way, I also think that the government classifies way too many things. I remember that one of the classified tidbits in Clinton's email was the time of day she was going to talk to a foreign official.)

[fightforfreedom]

21. That's how I see it too.

Some staff member files a classified document in the wrong file. When a transition takes place I doubt staff go through every document in ever file. There must be tens of thousands of documents.

Comparing what Trump did to what happened to Biden and Pence is laughable.

[BlackSkimmer]

34. "Some staff member files a classified document" in the wrong file.

Do you realize anyone handling such documents must also have clearance? Do you know how classified documents are marked? WHERE they are filed? HOW they are secured?

Classified documents are NOT filed with other files.

[inthewind21]

44. Jared

Kushner had a security clearance. Need I say more?

[SoCalDavidS]

17. Just Further Indication That Teflon Man Will NOT Be Charged nt

[Alexander Of Assyria]

54. How so?

[SoCalDavidS]

57. Because The Waters Are Muddied

It is becoming a case of "everybody does it." Won't matter the context, or that he refused to hand them back. That will be the Spin, and so Garland will have to decide whether to charge everybody or nobody. And he's already proven he's too chicken to indict Teflon Man.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

62. The differences are stark. Trump purposely stole the documents, resisted their return, went to

Court…installed his own trumper judge..took months to remove judge cannon… totally different legally and factually.

The waters are not muddled, one side is full of dirt, dirty trump has a clear history of filth,te other is side is clean on this issue.

I don’t understand how this isn’t clear to anyone, including media, especially now with Pence in the same waters as Biden…who returned the documents instantly.

[SoCalDavidS]

69. It Doesn't Matter How Stark The Differences Are

And you're preaching to the choir.

I'm just stating my opinion on what the Spin is going to be, and how I expect AG Garland to react.

And the media has proven they're bought, paid for, and completely Useless. Counting on them to tell the correct story is pointless.

[Beachnutt]

19. Matthew 7:15

[Lovie777]

20. Yea, but it was a "small", very small number of documents ......

really tiny.

[BlueTsunami2018]

24. Why can't they?

They attacked him even though Тяцмр did it and they’ll attack him even though Pence has done it. They’ll conveniently ignore the Republicans.

[MOMFUDSKI]

25. Talk about a pissing contest.

But I would like to know who the pissers are.

[mcar]

26. Now, on a dime, MSM is reporting

on the systemic problem, rather than a Pence "scandal!!11"

[Alexander Of Assyria]

56. Systemic problem with ex fascist presidents running off with documents secretly and hiding them

and resisting return under subpoenas and having lawyers lie about it all? No.

[mcar]

59. To their credit (at least during the short time I was listening)

they were saying that there's a big difference between what Biden's and Pence's teams did and what IMPOTUS II did.

[uponit7771]

74. +1,

[LetMyPeopleVote]

30. Here is how Fox is covering the Pence news

Link to tweet

[Catherine Vincent]

32. I agree

And believe it or not, I read on twitter how some rethuglicans are wanting the FBI to search Presidents Obama and Clinton's homes, totally bypassing Bush.

[patphil]

36. I also heard a rumor that the NSA found a Little Orphan Annie decoder ring in his bathroom.

My apologies to Jean Shepherd; just couldn't help myself.

[Ray Bruns]

38. BeSureToDrinkYourOvaltine

[vapor2]

39. ROTFLMAO

CAME HOME AND SAW THIS AND STILL LAUGHING......THE NARRATIVE HAS NOW CHANGED FOLKS

[Hekate]

41. All the GOPers can say is hamana-hamana-hamana. You are right: it is to laugh.

[James48]

52. Did you check under the cushions of the couch?

Sometimes they slip down in there, ya know.

Link to tweet

?s=46&t=05MbPWAltYcEyHqWUEP75w

[Chakaconcarne]

55. Well the Pence discovery helps to further differentiate the Biden and Pence cases from Trump

Unless the GOP are completely willing to throw Pence under the bus... which wouldn't be a surprise, I guess.

Good News... I don't think the orange baboon is off the hook.