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GGoss

(1,273 posts)
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 03:34 PM Jan 2023

Bill Barr asked Italian officials to discredit Russia probe -- they responded with evidence linking..

Bill Barr asked Italian officials to discredit Russia probe — they responded with evidence linking Trump to crimes - RawStory

A new report from the New York Times details how former Attorney General Bill Barr's efforts to discredit the probe into the Trump campaign's contacts with Russian agents completely floundered.

One particularly telling section of the Times' story involves a trip that Barr made to Italy in order to push officials in that country for evidence that the Russia investigation was part of an elaborate setup designed to damage former President Donald Trump politically.

The Italian officials responded by offering evidence of wrongdoing of a very different sort.

"Italian officials... unexpectedly offered a potentially explosive tip linking Mr. Trump to certain suspected financial crimes," the Times reports. "Mr. Barr and [former special counsel John] Durham decided that the tip was too serious and credible to ignore. But rather than assign it to another prosecutor, Mr. Barr had Mr. Durham investigate the matter himself."


Link: https://www.rawstory.com/bill-barr-2659315495/

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Bill Barr asked Italian officials to discredit Russia probe -- they responded with evidence linking.. (Original Post) GGoss Jan 2023 OP
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Jan 2023 #1
This sounds...important. Jack? What do you think? nt wiggs Jan 2023 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #44
and so ends the Bill Barr Rehabilitation and Bullshit Tour agingdem Jan 2023 #3
Certainly does short out the fog machine, 'eh? calimary Jan 2023 #7
Doubt it. Between the general public's usual indifference and the uselessness of much of the press.. Carlitos Brigante Jan 2023 #18
I wondered why he was so shrill and flopsweaty on Bill Maher. dchill Jan 2023 #28
He was, wasn't he. SergeStorms Jan 2023 #37
Yep Rebl2 Jan 2023 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #45
+1, uponit7771 Jan 2023 #55
K&R spanone Jan 2023 #4
K and R oasis Jan 2023 #5
The criminal trump enterprise. Lunabell Jan 2023 #6
"He has too much dirt on too many people for any consequences." You are correct. That is how the Escurumbele Jan 2023 #11
Yes. Lunabell Jan 2023 #12
Trump had access to classified information on anyone he wanted to inquire about. Real dirt. jalan48 Jan 2023 #15
Barr, Durham and Trump C_U_L8R Jan 2023 #8
K&R gademocrat7 Jan 2023 #9
And disballed! Meadowoak Jan 2023 #24
No use for those oysters anymore, anyway. erronis Jan 2023 #29
We will never fully uncover all the Trump crimes Johnny2X2X Jan 2023 #10
It could be a weekly series... lame54 Jan 2023 #14
Decades.... flying_wahini Jan 2023 #56
I've always said "Bernie Madoff wishes he was louis-t Jan 2023 #25
""this tip is too credible, we better cover it up ourselves"" bullimiami Jan 2023 #13
have the statutes run out on these so called crimes also that Barr covered up ? republianmushroom Jan 2023 #16
I think that there should be some kind of provision in the law for obstruction to extend statute Nictuku Jan 2023 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #46
Reminds me of this gem from a couple years ago. nattyice Jan 2023 #17
Thank You For This GGoss Jan 2023 #21
Tom forgot the hair dye running down Rudy's face. louis-t Jan 2023 #27
I don't think that had happened yet JHB Jan 2023 #31
Yeah, this one's from October 2019. nattyice Jan 2023 #35
the level of corruption of these treasonous motherfuckers is astounding LymphocyteLover Jan 2023 #19
"WHY THE FUCK DO THEY HATE AMERICA SO MUCH?" markodochartaigh Jan 2023 #20
OK, but when did so many conservatives become authoritarians willing to bow down to LymphocyteLover Jan 2023 #23
I grew up gay a half century ago in the reddest part of Texas. markodochartaigh Jan 2023 #30
so all these "grown-ups" are just afraid of the fucking GOP base? Even seasoned prosecutors? LymphocyteLover Jan 2023 #32
Occasionally I have heard corporate Republican politicians markodochartaigh Jan 2023 #38
Yes, that is no doubt true... but it's a not very satisfying explanation LymphocyteLover Jan 2023 #54
the NYTimes piece is explosive LymphocyteLover Jan 2023 #22
The outrage du jour. Who wants an honest bet that nothing happens. Boomerproud Jan 2023 #26
Nothing will happen. But still we must do our duty to spread the truth. LymphocyteLover Jan 2023 #34
Maybe Barr and Durham can share a cell after they are found guilty UpInArms Jan 2023 #36
*snort* Arrividerci, Guglielmo! tanyev Jan 2023 #39
Gift link to NYT article Qutzupalotl Jan 2023 #40
Weaponization of Government Marcuse Jan 2023 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #47
Justice, once thought to be blind, is now oblivious Zambero Jan 2023 #51
There is NO other story of consequence..imho..than the mcgonigle story.. asiliveandbreathe Jan 2023 #42
Bloviating Barr needs to be DISBARRED & behind BARS!! onetexan Jan 2023 #48
Recommended bagimin Jan 2023 #49
Looks like Barr Obstructed Justice Kid Berwyn Jan 2023 #50
Great Job billy !!! how did that investigation go ? RANDYWILDMAN Jan 2023 #52
I thought sitting presidents were off limits due to DOJ memos? suegeo Jan 2023 #53

Response to wiggs (Reply #2)

agingdem

(8,849 posts)
3. and so ends the Bill Barr Rehabilitation and Bullshit Tour
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 03:51 PM
Jan 2023

no wonder Barr was so anxious to shut down the Mueller investigation and whitewash the report..

 

Carlitos Brigante

(26,848 posts)
18. Doubt it. Between the general public's usual indifference and the uselessness of much of the press..
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:16 PM
Jan 2023

SergeStorms

(20,591 posts)
37. He was, wasn't he.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 06:50 PM
Jan 2023

This would throw a spanner in the works of Barr's "save my reputation" tour.

In his book "One Damn Thing After Another" he said of Trump, "he's shown he has neither the temperament nor persuasive powers to provide the kind of positive leadership that is needed".

Gosh, Bill, maybe you shouldn't have covered up this complete failure as a president's ties with Russia so much? There's an outside chance we could have successfully impeached that piece of crap, and removed him from office if the truth was known.

Yeah, better you should obstruct justice and make Trump look as if he's clean and clear of Russian influence. 😡

Asshole!

Response to agingdem (Reply #3)

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
6. The criminal trump enterprise.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 04:20 PM
Jan 2023

More of tve same and nothing done. He has too much dirt on too many people for any consequences.

Escurumbele

(4,094 posts)
11. "He has too much dirt on too many people for any consequences." You are correct. That is how the
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 04:26 PM
Jan 2023

mafia works...

Barr should be disbarred...

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
15. Trump had access to classified information on anyone he wanted to inquire about. Real dirt.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:00 PM
Jan 2023

C_U_L8R

(49,384 posts)
8. Barr, Durham and Trump
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 04:22 PM
Jan 2023

That seems to make quite a conspiracy to obstruct Justice and lord knows what else.

erronis

(23,882 posts)
29. No use for those oysters anymore, anyway.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:54 PM
Jan 2023

Should have been done before puberty for all those Opus Dei folks. The SCOTUS would not be stacked the way it is now via the FedSoc - except handmaidens and castrati.

Johnny2X2X

(24,209 posts)
10. We will never fully uncover all the Trump crimes
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 04:24 PM
Jan 2023

30 years from now new crimes he committed will be being discovered. Totally corrupt. Tony Soprano would have stolen less.

Nictuku

(4,658 posts)
43. I think that there should be some kind of provision in the law for obstruction to extend statute
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 10:40 PM
Jan 2023

I think that there should be some kind of provision in the law for obstruction to extend statute of limitation.

Agree? Disagree? Is there some kind of provision already for this?

Seems like all they have to do is somehow run out the clock by obstructing and then get away scott-free.

Response to Nictuku (Reply #43)

LymphocyteLover

(9,847 posts)
19. the level of corruption of these treasonous motherfuckers is astounding
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:17 PM
Jan 2023

I mean, WHY THE FUCK DO THEY HATE AMERICA SO MUCH? Clearly Dump was a complete monster and yet they continued to go to extreme lengths to cover for him. It's sickening to the extreme.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
20. "WHY THE FUCK DO THEY HATE AMERICA SO MUCH?"
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:30 PM
Jan 2023

The uberpatriotism of authoritarians is because they see the state as synonymous with themselves, not because they have loyalty to the people or institutions of the state. "L'etat c'est moi."

LymphocyteLover

(9,847 posts)
23. OK, but when did so many conservatives become authoritarians willing to bow down to
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:37 PM
Jan 2023

Donald Fucking Trump?

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
30. I grew up gay a half century ago in the reddest part of Texas.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 06:07 PM
Jan 2023

These people have always been here. They cheered in school when JFK was assassinated. The "quiet part" that Trump says out loud, and much worse, has always been said out loud in much of the US. After the Republican southern strategy to bring the southern "Democrats", who had never fit in with the FDR type Democrats, into the Republican party it was only a matter of time before the corporate conservative Republicans had to cede power to the authoritarian Republicans in order to win. Bush, Cheney, Romney et al knew what would happen when Trump was made the candidate. There was a plan to have a brokered convention to choose another candidate. But the Republicans knew that Trump was so wildly popular with their base that they could not win without him. So they put party before country and chose Trump.

LymphocyteLover

(9,847 posts)
32. so all these "grown-ups" are just afraid of the fucking GOP base? Even seasoned prosecutors?
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 06:38 PM
Jan 2023

God I'm sick of this shit.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
38. Occasionally I have heard corporate Republican politicians
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 06:53 PM
Jan 2023

say that they are afraid of their authoritarian base. Certainly we saw that on January 6 with the gallows and the Republicans running from the Capitol. But I think that most of the corporate Republican politicians, most of the time are not afraid of the authoritarian rabble. They think that they can control their "useful idiots" or they think that they, personally, are so isolated and protected that they don't need to be afraid. They just see the authoritarian base as a tool that they need to use to keep themselves in power. In Germany the chancellor and a lot of the business and political leaders thought that they could control Hitler. But when authoritarian Strong Leaders gain power they often cannot be controlled by the corporate conservative leaders who helped them gain power.

LymphocyteLover

(9,847 posts)
54. Yes, that is no doubt true... but it's a not very satisfying explanation
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 01:54 PM
Jan 2023

I guess at some level these rightwingers also have some deep deranged fear about the left getting power and can't bear to think of it and will do anything to keep their side in power.

LymphocyteLover

(9,847 posts)
22. the NYTimes piece is explosive
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:36 PM
Jan 2023
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/26/us/politics/durham-trump-russia-barr.html

"“This stuff has my head spinning,” Mr. Luskin said. “When did these guys drink the Kool-Aid, and who served it to them?”"

This is what I want to know!

UpInArms

(54,984 posts)
36. Maybe Barr and Durham can share a cell after they are found guilty
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 06:49 PM
Jan 2023

Of Obstruction of Justice

Marcuse

(9,010 posts)
41. Weaponization of Government
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 08:01 PM
Jan 2023
”Italian officials... unexpectedly offered a potentially explosive tip linking Mr. Trump to certain suspected financial crimes," the Times reports. "Mr. Barr and [former special counsel John] Durham decided that the tip was too serious and credible to ignore. But rather than assign it to another prosecutor, Mr. Barr had Mr. Durham investigate the matter himself."

Durham never filed charges based on the tip the Italian officials gave and it's not clear just how closely he probed the purported evidence into Trump's prospective financial crimes.

Response to Marcuse (Reply #41)

Zambero

(9,990 posts)
51. Justice, once thought to be blind, is now oblivious
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 11:50 AM
Jan 2023

Yet another "back burner" crime investigation, aka cover-up. Meanwhile, sure is good to know that the GOP Congress will be investigating Hunter's paintings!

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
42. There is NO other story of consequence..imho..than the mcgonigle story..
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 10:35 PM
Jan 2023

Do we ever get to see the TIP the Italians gave to these thugs? So, I ask, too, to what end, this barr.durham story? Is this a shiny object to skirt around the mcgonigle story?..

TO WHAT END?....

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
48. Bloviating Barr needs to be DISBARRED & behind BARS!!
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 08:04 AM
Jan 2023

The continuous coverage for the Con are crimes he committed over and over, breaking every ethics, even criminal violation all throughout the Con's 4 years. Disgraceful, dishonest and crooked man.

Kid Berwyn

(24,395 posts)
50. Looks like Barr Obstructed Justice
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 10:38 AM
Jan 2023
John Durham's secret criminal investigation reportedly involved Trump, not Clinton or the FBI

PETER WEBER
The Week, January 27, 2023

Excerpt…

When Durham and Barr made a very unusual trip to Italy in September 2019, "Italian officials — while denying any role in setting off the Russia investigation — unexpectedly offered a potentially explosive tip linking Mr. Trump to certain suspected financial crimes," the Times reports. Barr and Durham "decided that the tip was too serious and credible to ignore," but instead of assigning it to another prosecutor, Barr had Durham quietly investigate the matter, "giving him criminal prosecution powers for the first time."

"Durham never filed charges, and it remains unclear what level of an investigation it was, what steps he took, what he learned, and whether anyone at the White House ever found out," the Times adds. This "extraordinary fact" that Durham opened a criminal investigation of Trump "has remained secret," though "a garbled echo became public" when the Times, in October 2019, reported that Durham's review had become a criminal inquiry, presumably (but erroneously) because "Durham had found evidence of potential crimes by officials involved in the Russia inquiry."

Barr, "who weighed in publicly about the Durham inquiry at regular intervals in ways that advanced a pro-Trump narrative, chose in this instance not to clarify what was really happening," the Times notes.

Continues…

https://theweek.com/arizona/1020435/arizona-legislature-exempts-itself-from-state-public-records-law

A hearty welcome to DU, GGoss! Outstanding OP and thread!

Personally, I think Barr will claim he covered up for Trump in order to keep “Anti-Putin” national security operations secret, meaning don’t rock the boat wherein the rich get richer and the rest of humanity can drop dead.

RANDYWILDMAN

(3,163 posts)
52. Great Job billy !!! how did that investigation go ?
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 11:56 AM
Jan 2023

Thought so, you worthless Fucker, may you die in prison or rot in hell

suegeo

(3,137 posts)
53. I thought sitting presidents were off limits due to DOJ memos?
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 12:34 PM
Jan 2023
https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion/sitting-president%E2%80%99s-amenability-indictment-and-criminal-prosecution]

The indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unconstitutionally undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions.


So they were investigating presidential crimes of a sitting president, even tho in other instances, they claim they cannot?

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