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BeyondGeography

(39,341 posts)
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:08 PM Jan 2023

Garland's special counsels: The mistake keeps getting worse (Rubin/WaPo)


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Attorney General Merrick Garland came into the job determined, above all else, to restore the integrity of the Justice Department. In trying to convince everyone that the department is above reproach, however, he has made a series of unwise, showy moves that leave it looking more, not less, political.…

One wonders whether Garland and his aides did any significant research to determine how widespread the problem of retained-and-voluntarily-returned documents actually is.


What if former secretary of state Mike Pompeo, who is clearly considering a presidential run, finds and returns classified materials? Or former national security adviser John Bolton? It’s likely that lawyers for any number of ambitious former public servants are combing files.


We might soon realize that Biden’s sloppiness is neither “criminal” nor “extraordinary,” and therefore the special counsel statute does not apply.

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Garland's special counsels: The mistake keeps getting worse (Rubin/WaPo) (Original Post) BeyondGeography Jan 2023 OP
Garland would have made a good SC justice. gab13by13 Jan 2023 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #2
Did you contact the WH if you feel so strongly? Fiendish Thingy Jan 2023 #4
Cojones. Aka, testes. brush Jan 2023 #22
Someone is in way over their head in this discussion. It's not Garland. tritsofme Jan 2023 #5
On the other hand, you may be wrong. dchill Jan 2023 #33
Yes please Rebl2 Jan 2023 #7
I'm fine with Garland's decision to appoint a SC for Biden Fiendish Thingy Jan 2023 #3
And How Will You Feel If Jack Smith Says Same Thing Regarding Teflon Man? nt SoCalDavidS Jan 2023 #12
I would be quite surprised Fiendish Thingy Jan 2023 #13
I Admit, I Can't Predict What Mr. Smith Will Recommend SoCalDavidS Jan 2023 #14
He won't. ShazzieB Jan 2023 #25
Looking closely at the posture of everyone on the stage behind Garland Boomerproud Jan 2023 #6
Look at Wray Rebl2 Jan 2023 #8
Rubin also wrote a column ripping Wray today BeyondGeography Jan 2023 #9
Garland Is Not Going To Indict Teflon Man SoCalDavidS Jan 2023 #10
Indeed! 👍 Duppers Jan 2023 #26
What if the documents found in Biden's home... Cracklin Charlie Jan 2023 #11
well, yes. but that's looking like a bigger and bigger 'what if' stopdiggin Jan 2023 #15
Or those who came to investigate the Biden abodes BOSSHOG Jan 2023 #21
the people that made original 'discoveries' stopdiggin Jan 2023 #37
I think Rebl2 Jan 2023 #16
Maybe it was little green men? tritsofme Jan 2023 #18
Ha Rebl2 Jan 2023 #20
lol.. what you said could Cha Jan 2023 #29
I know Rebl2 Jan 2023 #32
Agree, even though it does seem far out there. wnylib Jan 2023 #34
Garland as much admitted gab13by13 Jan 2023 #17
Yep Rebl2 Jan 2023 #19
No kidding. BigmanPigman Jan 2023 #24
I am called a Garland hater and I am not, gab13by13 Jan 2023 #27
Nonsense Ohio Joe Jan 2023 #39
Nailed it republianmushroom Jan 2023 #23
Maybe not. Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #28
Seems like the DOJ needs a "no special counsel, return what you have day" for elected officials.... Sancho Jan 2023 #30
Oh look! Jennifer Rubin is wrong. Again. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #31
Exactly what is she wrong about, exactly? dchill Jan 2023 #35
"nearly a third of the public (30%)... BWdem4life Jan 2023 #36
Garland "treating entirely different circumstances identically" certainly contributes Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #40
I agree with most everything Rubin writes, usually, but intheflow Jan 2023 #38

Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Fiendish Thingy

(15,544 posts)
3. I'm fine with Garland's decision to appoint a SC for Biden
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:14 PM
Jan 2023

And I’ll be fine when that SC concludes his investigation and reports that no charges are warranted.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,544 posts)
13. I would be quite surprised
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:34 PM
Jan 2023

If Smith doesn’t think there’s anything there, then his investigation should end shortly.

Do you think Smith will decline to seek indictments from the Grand Jury?

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
14. I Admit, I Can't Predict What Mr. Smith Will Recommend
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:37 PM
Jan 2023

I still seriously doubt that AG Garland will indict.

And I'll say again, for the record, I will be THRILLED if an indictment is issued against that SOB.

ShazzieB

(16,265 posts)
25. He won't.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 11:15 PM
Jan 2023

What happens after that is open to conjecture, but I really don't believe Smith is going to declare Trump to be blameless.

Boomerproud

(7,938 posts)
6. Looking closely at the posture of everyone on the stage behind Garland
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:20 PM
Jan 2023

especially the guy on his left had me in a fit of giggles. They look like action figures. Well, I had to have something to laugh about.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
10. Garland Is Not Going To Indict Teflon Man
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:29 PM
Jan 2023

Some of us have been saying that for the last 2 years, and we've yet to be proven wrong.

Wake me up when charges are filed, and I'll admit to being completely wrong about him.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
26. Indeed! 👍
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 11:25 PM
Jan 2023

I took some heat here* for being critical of him months ago.

*And from my dh who has apologized to me.

Jack Smith is the only hope on this.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
11. What if the documents found in Biden's home...
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:31 PM
Jan 2023

Were found to have been put there by someone else?

Planting documents would be a crime, if someone were found to have done that. Special counsel would apply.

stopdiggin

(11,238 posts)
15. well, yes. but that's looking like a bigger and bigger 'what if'
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:43 PM
Jan 2023

(read stretch) every day.

In fact, it's not at all unlikely that 'somebody else' did put some documents someplace. But those someones are most likely drones, flunkies, secretaries and aides - and not the nefarious 'black bag job' that had everyone overheated a week or so back.

BOSSHOG

(37,006 posts)
21. Or those who came to investigate the Biden abodes
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 10:57 PM
Jan 2023

Motive? Opportunity? Hiding in plain sight? Who would know of such things?

stopdiggin

(11,238 posts)
37. the people that made original 'discoveries'
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 01:50 AM
Jan 2023

were his own damned lawyers. Lets' not go all Q-Anon on the conspiracy stuff. We already have a sizable population of that in the U.S. thank you.

wnylib

(21,312 posts)
34. Agree, even though it does seem far out there.
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 12:06 AM
Jan 2023

It's the timing that makes me think that it's a possibility. I remember when Russian collusion was considered a bit of a stretch. But now we know just how extensive it was.

gab13by13

(21,234 posts)
17. Garland as much admitted
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:53 PM
Jan 2023

that he appointed a special counsel for President Biden because of politics. The Biden special counsel did not meet the requirements for one. If Garland were consistent he should also appoint a special counsel for Pence.

Shit, Garland didn't have to appoint a special counsel for Trump either, that's what DOJ people do.

Garland's attempt to not be partisan has ended up being partisan against Democrats.

BigmanPigman

(51,563 posts)
24. No kidding.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 11:13 PM
Jan 2023

Garland has NOT lived up to my expectations and I HAVE given him support but I am all out of patience with him and his actions. Many on DU will say I am a Garland hater but I am not. I just have my eyes open and a decent memory and am open to discussion.

gab13by13

(21,234 posts)
27. I am called a Garland hater and I am not,
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 11:32 PM
Jan 2023

I criticize his actions and non actions. I think he's a nice guy.

Ohio Joe

(21,726 posts)
39. Nonsense
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 11:37 AM
Jan 2023

The SC’s were appointed to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest… As was stated when each was appointed. It was the correct decision in both instances.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
30. Seems like the DOJ needs a "no special counsel, return what you have day" for elected officials....
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 11:41 PM
Jan 2023

....just drop your secret docs in the drop box, and you're done!

BWdem4life

(1,644 posts)
36. "nearly a third of the public (30%)...
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 01:04 AM
Jan 2023

...finds the actions of both to be equally serious.” That’s no doubt the result of appointing a special counsel for both, treating entirely different circumstances identically.

Um, no. That's the result of nearly a third of the public being Republicans.

Scrivener7

(50,901 posts)
40. Garland "treating entirely different circumstances identically" certainly contributes
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 06:02 PM
Jan 2023

to the perception of the 30% that they are identical.

intheflow

(28,442 posts)
38. I agree with most everything Rubin writes, usually, but
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 10:30 AM
Jan 2023

appointing Jack Smith was a good move by Garland. Let's have a special council for ALL former cabinet-level politicians, regardless of party. We all know who will have the most egregious hoard of classified and Top Secret files, and it's not going to be the Democrats.

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