Pete Buttigieg stomps(!!!???) Biden in first primary polling

[applegrove]

Pete Buttigieg stomps Biden in first primary polling

The onetime presidential contender is quietly assembling a campaign infrastructure.

By Greg Owen Friday, January 27, 2023

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/01/pete-buttigieg-stomps-biden-in-first-primary-polling/

"SNIP........

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg topped a new presidential poll out of New Hampshire this week, beating boss President Joe Biden for the top spot by five percentage points.

The Granite State Poll found Buttigieg was preferred by 23 percent of likely Democratic voters compared to 18 percent for both Biden and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and 15 percent for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT). Buttigieg beat all three former rivals when he won the Iowa Democratic Caucuses in 2020.

The current first-in-the-nation primary poll also found that 66 percent of likely Dem voters are lukewarm on the idea that Biden should run for a second term, with 35 percent responding “probably not” and 26 percent “definitely not.”

An announcement from Biden about his plans is expected soon.

.......SNIP"

[Croney]

2. Ugh, what violent imagery.

[lame54]

3. Buttigieg did very poorly with blacks...

Has he cleared that up yet?

[honest.abe]

11. Seems to be similar issue Bernie has.

If he cant inspire black voters he's toast.

[dsc]

4. The moe must be over 2.5 meaning the lead is

Not statistically significant. Let alone a stomping

[tritsofme]

6. It's not a good look for an incumbent president.

Ick. I find this pretty shocking, it’ll be interesting to see more data.

[honest.abe]

10. Biden is our best bet to keep the Presidency at this point.

Pete would be a weak candidate nationwide...IMO.

[tritsofme]

18. I agree.

These types of results are more a reflection on Biden, than the other candidates listed. They act as generic stand-ins for voter frustration than anything else.

[W_HAMILTON]

23. I'm not sure New Hampshire is reflective of anything.

Biden came in *fifth* in New Hampshire in the 2020 Democratic Primary.

How'd that turn out for us Democrats later in 2020 and through today?

Pretty damn well, I'd say!

[tritsofme]

28. It's one poll, doesn't really mean anything.

But conventionally, any incumbent president should have huge leads in any state.

[W_HAMILTON]

36. You do realize that conventionally...

...there aren't even that many polls in such a situation because it's almost always assumed that an incumbent president will run for office again and not be seriously challenged in a primary, yes?

[tritsofme]

37. Sure, it hasn't been since 1984 that we've even had serious discussions

About whether an incumbent president would seek reelection, the whole situation isn’t exactly conventional.

[honest.abe]

25. If SC is the first primary Biden will win that one easlily... if the primary was now.

There is a long way to go before the first primary. I am still not convinced Biden will run. He could decide to not run based on health issues of both himself and his wife. Then endorse someone else who would then become the front runner.

[Demsrule86]

92. He is running and no one else can win in 24.

[honest.abe]

95. You are probably right..

but at some point age and health will become a factor. Its inevitable.

[Demsrule86]

79. I find it BS.

[honest.abe]

7. Indeed. Pete didnt even get 1/4 of the votes.

I like him but I dont see him as a national candidate. He will likely have the same issues as Bernie.

[Celerity]

65. M.O.E. is +/-3.3 per cent, so the lead is a wee bit outside it, but yes, not a stomping at all

(that article title is both false and also click-bait incendiary, and is causing a lot of the argy bargy IMHO).

66% do not want Biden to run (I do not understand this) and AOC surprisingly has the highest net favourability, with Hillary Clinton the lowest (and only one underwater).

https://scholars.unh.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1725&context=survey_center_polls

[LakeArenal]

5. Biden will run for 2024.

I love Pete.

[Autumn]

8. He won't stand a chance in the primary or the GE. Biden is running.

[Celerity]

69. the biggest surprise was that of all listed, AOC has the highest net favourability, and Hillary the

worst (the only one underwater)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217595486#post65

[old as dirt]

76. My biggest surprise is seeing Warnock's name on the list. (nt)

[Autumn]

85. Wow. and AOC is in line for the #2 spot on the oversight committee.

If people knew more about Polis he would be way up there. He is the best Governor Colorado has ever had. Not surprised about Hillary.

[Celerity]

88. Agree on Polis, and I feel the same for Pritzker and Shapiro, all would be +40, +50 net if they

had better name recognition. The problem for Polis is the same as Pete's, that being, maddeningly, the anti LGBTQ backlash.



Hillary is the only one on the list who has pretty high negatives, lower favourability (net underwater) and who also has almost universal name recognition (so no reserve to pull from), with Kamala Harris at the 2nd highest gross (not net) negatives, and Biden 3rd highest. No real room for Hillary to recover IMHO, 30 plus years of RW attacks have likely permanently sunk in, even after the robbery of 2016 and the rise of the monster fascist Trump.

[Autumn]

110. Is Hillary in the poll? I didn't see her mentioned in the article but I doubt she will run again

[calguy]

9. That poll, early as it may be, accurately reflects my feelings

I, too, am lukewarm about Biden running again, but I'll enthusiastically support him if he decides to. I'm also not sure if Pete is my man, preferring to wait and see how many candidates emerge if Biden declines a second term bid and opens up the race.

It's all up to Joe at this point, but I'm in the camp that feels he should retire after a long, successful career of honorable public service.

[patricia92243]

16. Yep!

[AkFemDem]

17. I'm on the "younger, new leadership"

Wagon myself. If Biden wins the primary I’ll support him enthusiastically but I want a change for a lot of reasons I don’t feel like getting into the weeds about now. Last election cycle I voted for Pete in the primaries, whether I’d do it again will depend on who else is running I guess.

I feel bad for VP Harris because I think she’s fantastic but she clearly can’t break from Biden and run against him, she won’t do that to the party. It’ll be interesting to see who else pops up.

[Celerity]

68. your maths are off, the primary season campaigning starts in way less than a year (if Biden runs no

one of import will challenge him IMHO, so this is all just likely pointless, at least as of now, as I am 95% sure Biden will run again and easily win our nomination)

[Demsrule86]

93. Anyone who challenges Biden is dead to

Me. He is our best hope. I like AOC but she won’t win a general or a primary.

[Tree Lady]

55. I'm in that camp too but afraid to say

it here. I love Joe and Jill and all of us will definitely vote for him but will those fickle ones in the crazy middle? Those people who I can't believe could go either way. I am concerned his age will matter to them.

[Demsrule86]

94. The crazy middle? I suggest you look

at the states we need.

[Raine]

61. I agree, I'm not onboard with Pete

he seems like a lightweight to me, not experienced enough either. Perhaps in the future but not for some time yet.

[Celerity]

67. If you thing Buttigieg is a lightweight, you really need to check your scales.

[Raine]

73. maybe so but it's jmo of him. 🤔 nt

[Celerity]

74. Well my opinion is that is utter bollocks. He is extremely gifted as both an intellectual and as

an orator. He is a superb communicator, able to take complex issues and not just explain them in everyday parlance, but to fit those explanations into a coherent big picture frame, oftentimesin a hoztile environment. He also put his body on the line, and went to an active war zone as a US military enlistee.

I find your 'lightweight' smear of him offensive and factually false.

[Raine]

77. OK so be it. I really like him but I just don't think he's ready to be President yet

"smear" wth! He's young and inexperienced in national politics, no insult intended but go ahead and get yourself all worked up!!! I'm done with this and done with you so don't waste your time on a response I'm not going to even see!!!!

Good night and have a nice life....

[Demsrule86]

96. You do know Pete is not liberal right?

My opinion is he would be more like Clinton than Biden or Obama. I don’t see him winning a primary. We need candidates who can attract Black voters.

[Celerity]

104. I never use the term liberal for most Dems. For me & most of the world liberal means centre right.

Smaller government, lower taxes, free (not fair) trade, less regulation, increased reliance on privitisation, etc etc.

So that said, yes, Buttigieg is not a liberal. I disagree that he is as centrist as you are claiming, that is what the Sanders people tried to spin in 2020, that Pete was some sort of corporate, neoliberal hack, which was utter tosh from their end.

If he runs in 2028 or 2032, etc, I will seriously consider backing him. Much of his issues in terms of black voters came from outright lies and false framings pushed again by the Sanderites, and some of the worst, most odious elements in the KHive. You saw the same shit from the those mercenary KHive trolls (who also smeared other 2020 candidates as well, including Biden, Warren, etc) when they relentlessly smeared Fetterman as a racist vigilante, with some even calling him a neo nazi skinhead.

I do understand that his being a gay man is an issue as well, but as an out lesbian (and a mixed race black female), I will never bend to that homophobia. I think he would make a superb POTUS.

Finally, we do agree that Biden is by far our best hope in 2024. If something happens and he doesn't run, it is potentially a disaster.

[Dirty Socialist]

12. I am not against LGBTQ community,

But if you think he could be elected president, you’re in for a hell of a shock.

[doc03]

31. I agree, I don't really think a gay could be elected nationally. I will support Biden but I

am concerned about his age. I am 75 myself, I notice a big difference in my friends that were sharp mentally at 75
from what they are in their 80s.

[Dirty Socialist]

34. I am concerned too

I would vote for Newsom or Pritzker

[FreeState]

54. Why would a gay person even run?

I mean come one not supporting an LGBT candidate because others are homophobic and won’t vote for him is pretty shitty. Why would a gay democrat feel welcome in the party with this kind of attitude?

[doc03]

56. It has nothing to do with what we think about him being gay. I will vote for him

if he is who we chose. But nationally I do not think he could win. I didn't think Obama had a chance of winning
but he did.

[FreeState]

89. Why do you think that?

It doesn’t match reality. 76% of Americans say they would vote for a gay candidate.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/254120/less-half-vote-socialist-president.aspx

Americans' Willingness to Vote for Presidential Candidates From Certain Groups

Between now and the 2016/2020 political conventions, there will be discussion about the qualifications of presidential candidates -- their education, age, religion, race and so on. If your party nominated a generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be _____, would you vote for that person? % Yes, would vote for

Gay or lesbian 76% +2

[doc03]

90. I live in Ohio I guess people in the rest of country aren't

as prejudiced as people here. Probably no Democrat could win here. I hope Sharod Brown holds on. The days of Metsnbaum and John Glenn are over.

[Demsrule86]

80. We have to vote for someone who can win.

It is viral that the GOP not regain the presidency. I love Hillary but would not vote for her in a primary. President Biden has been the best president of my lifetime. Obama a close second.

[cliffside]

63. Seriously, 'a gay' I remember when "a black" could not be elected, although I thought Obama ...

would be elected and he was. Yes, Pete is young and probably better in the next election, but being "a gay" should not even be a consideration, it is a barrier I never entertained, just as I never considered a candidates gender.
I do agree about the age, as someone approaching 70, I am not as sharp as I was once once was, so if Biden runs I think the Dems might lose. We need someone sharp to take on the challenges of the current environment and challenges.
Many people thought "a black' should not be elected.
Sorry if I took your comment about 'a gay' being elected nationally should play a role or a woman etc. we could go on and on. Age, as we know plays a role, our reactions and take decisions take a bit longer, as you mentioned it is different. But someone in their 30's or 40's should be sharper, whether they are gay, black, Asian or whatever their background.

[calguy]

84. I agree that 'being gay' shouldn't be a consideration

But to assume that a majority of voters feels the same way about it is naive and a recipe for disaster should he nominated.
In the real world, my friend, being gay IS a consideration. A fatal flaw in a presidential candidate's resume.
It sucks, but it's fact. Run Pete and we hand the White House over to DeSantis.

[Demsrule86]

97. Biden is sharp and we have a VP. We just

Need to keep the GOP cancer out.

[applegrove]

13. I still think Biden has an insider's and old timer's 411/dna on being in politics

in Washington. Buttigieg is better at policy and messenging.

[Kennah]

14. Secretary Pete is mostly concerned with Secretary Pete

[Celerity]

62. And you base this off what? Buttigieg is not running if Biden is, and Pete has done a great job as

Transportation Secretary. This poll and article did not come from Buttigieg at all. You are attacking one of our best communicators and it is not right.

[Kennah]

106. He's doing well as DOT Sec, but as a Presidential candidate, he would be among my last choices

Read a number of articles during the 2020 campaign pointing out how Pete is mostly interested in Pete, not in really helping others.

[Celerity]

107. Show me these articles please, as I was very much involved in the 2020 primaries, and there was a

tremendous amount of bullshit (literally) spun up by certain groups. I was heavily involved in a lot of debunking and exposing of that dross.

[Kingofalldems]

15. How dare you post 'stomps Biden'.

WTH is this?

[applegrove]

19. I will put exclamation points to note the silly title.

[AkFemDem]

20. That's literally the article title

[Kingofalldems]

21. Article is disrespectful to President Biden.

[Dirty Socialist]

24. Lots of misleading article titles out there

That is one of them

[Freethinker65]

22. Pete is more likely to run for and win Governor of Michigan as Gretchen is term limited

[honest.abe]

30. Im am thinking more and more that Gretchen is going to run for Pres.

If Biden decides to not run.

[DemocraticPatriot]

100. Whitmer has pledged to finish her 2nd term as governor

'no matter what'

[Lovie777]

33. I thought he is from Indiana....

[Freethinker65]

35. He moved to Traverse City, Michigan

[Demsrule86]

81. He is not from Michigan.

[xmas74]

101. He moved to Traverse City

Chasten's hometown so the twins could be near Chasten's parents. And he planned in registering to vote in MI last summer.

Rumor has it he is eying a gubernatorial run.

[Indykatie]

27. None of Those Polled Can Get to 270 EVs Except Biden

I'm really happy the primary calendar is changing for 2024. We'll see early in the race who has the AA vote which is so critical.

[Cha]

59. Oh it is... that's Great! TY

[Cosmocat]

83. Totally agree Joe is the safest bet

nm

[Lovie777]

29. Here we go again .....

[Behind the Aegis]

38. Dance puppets.

I will point out, though many won't give two shits, but the original story is from a GAY source, thus the "pumping up" of the results. However, I dislike shit like this (and in no way to I blame applegrove for bringing it here; it SHOULD be discussed on a DEMOCRATIC site), but it does really bring out the long knives, especially against a gay man. No surprises there either.

[Behind the Aegis]

48. You missed the point.

[Behind the Aegis]

51. Thanks for 'splainin

[JohnSJ]

39. What garbage. Is Buttigieg running or Warren or Sanders? Just another pollster trying to stir up

shit, and hope people forget about the miserable job they did in 2022 midterms

[JohnSJ]

43. Exactly Chin. Must be a slow day

[Celerity]

70. The main thing that is disappointing for me was of all the articles on the poll, the OP picked the

most problematic and divisive (and falsely framed) one.

The main effect, IMHO, seems to be a lot of undeserved (and some of it rather petty) slating of Buttigieg, as if he was responsible for the poll AND as if he will run if Biden (very likely, 95% plus IMHO) does (Pete will not run, not a chance, if Biden does).

As for it being January (almost February) 2023, IF Biden decides to nightmarishly not run, then the primary campaigning season starts in way way less than a year.

The DU 2020 Primary Forum went live in the first couple months of 2019 (maybe before, not sure).

The Buttigieg group was put together in March 2019, and went live on March 31/April 1 (I I think I had the first post https://www.democraticunderground.com/12931 )

[Renew Deal]

40. I think Biden has been good overall, but he's hopefully going to be 82 in 2 years.

And he wants to be re-elected until 86? That's a lot to ask. I think it could actually hurt us in the GE.

[Renew Deal]

53. When is OK to discuss this?

The conversation we're having here is nothing compared to what is said by DEMOCRATS in the real world. People I talk to are talking about Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Newsome and others. They don't think Biden is a lock to run for reelection.

Also, we are rapidly approaching the bridge. Most candidates in a normal primary season will announce by June. That's after months of planning.

Could Buttigieg run against Biden while working for him? No, and I don't think he would primary Biden. But he's a top candidate if he runs.

[cliffside]

64. +1 nt

[Demsrule86]

82. Yes he does. He knows how important it is.

[miss-nasty]

45. Love Pete and hope to see it someday

but imho Biden has saved this country and if he runs he damn well deserves the unity and 100% support of the Democratic Party. So as for me - anyone that runs against him will get sour grapes 😤

[Just A Box Of Rain]

47. I love Pete Buttigieg, but this is ridiculous.

Joe Biden is going to be our nominee in 2024 and he has my full support.

[WarGamer]

50. Pete is a great guy.... naturally likable.

And with young kids... handsome husband. Modern Day family.

He'd be a formidable adversary.

[mcar]

52. A New Hampshire poll? In Jan 2023?

[Celerity]

66. The primary season starts in way less than a year (that said I fully expect Biden to run and win

with little to no challenger of import).

[mcar]

86. Yes, I'm aware of that

My comment stands.

[treestar]

87. agree

[budkin]

60. Would love Pete as Prez

Let’s see what Joe decides first though.

[FlyingPiggy]

75. Both are great. If Biden runs for reelection, I am voting for him.

If Pete is the dem presidential nominee, I’ll vote for him. I’m not for internal fighting. Fascism is still a very big threat in this country.

[Demsrule86]

78. Biden will run and polls as we now know

are BS. The GOP knows full well that Biden will best their sorry asses. Buttigieg won’t win a General sadly. I wish it was different.

[NickB79]

91. Pete is young, charismatic, good-looking, intelligent and self-confident

He has all the characteristics that made people flock to President Obama.

So it's no wonder he does well in polls, even against an incredibly respectable statesman like President Biden.

It also shines a light on how the Democratic Party is appealing to it's base. If we want to rely on the youth vote, we kinda need to run more youthful candidates in the future.

I'm very confident that President Biden will run for, and win, a second term. BUT, after him, who do we have waiting in the wings? I hope very much that we'll see a President Buttigieg in 2028.

[Demsrule86]

99. You are living in the past. Pete is not

Going to win the AA vote anymore than Bernie.

[NickB79]

102. Then who do we run?

It's 2023, and we've got 4 years at most to find another candidate who energizes the base like Obama did.

[flamingdem]

103. NO

I'm ridin' with Biden.

TOO MUCH AT STAKE!

[DFW]

105. At this point, such a poll has relevance going for it

About as much relevance as the 2018 mid-season standings of the college soccer teams of southern Latvia.

In December 2019, a Republican strategist asked me (why me, I have no idea) who I thought the Democratic nominee would be in 2020. I said Joe Biden, who was polling around 3% at the time. She was very surprised, and asked, based on what? I said all others would stumble on one of several factors: recognition, funding, position rigidity, timing, etc. I said Biden would be the last man standing, and he‘d win a huge margin, at least in the popular vote. I felt it was a no-brainer, even if he was not my personal preference. And sure enough, it was. At the time, I guess most people would have thought I was crazy, but I live in Europe, and do not live on a steady diet of American media. Maybe that helped.

[dsp3000]

109. quick way to lose the executive branch to the R's.

This country isn't ready for a gay man to be president as painful as it sounds. Go into any church and see if they'd be willing to set aside their religious values to vote for a gay man. churchgoers still make a majority of the US. you shouldn't be surprised with what you would hear. Not to mention that he does not poll well with black voters. Let alone black church goers who have more anti LGBTQ views then you would think.

[bigtree]

112. the methodology is curiously missing from this poll

...how about posting it for us?