The Tyre Nichols video

[Mr.Bill]

will be released when Joy Reid is on.

[Lovie777]

1. Media have seen it..............

so have the Executive Branch, Both Congress plus the States' Executive, Congress & legislation across the USA.

[cyclonefence]

2. I am heartsick

to think that we will all be able to witness a man being beaten to death. I suppose it is necessary in order to move toward justice, but it breaks my heart.

[a kennedy]

15. I know, and what the hell did they REALLY think they were doing???

[IcyPeas]

3. Eric Garner, George Floyd...

we've actually witnessed these men being murdered right in front of our eyes... and for what?

[Mr.Bill]

4. Someone said in another thread

for the same reason Emmet Till had an open casket.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. When are we going to start seeing change?

[Mr.Bill]

6. I'm afraid I don't

have an answer for that one.

[Irish_Dem]

8. I'm afraid I do have an answer.

No change anytime soon.

[W_HAMILTON]

9. We've been seeing change.

And we most certainly would not have seen such change without the outrage that these sorts of videos prompt.

As I said to you in the other thread, you seem to want perfection and we, of course, will never have that. But progress has been made and it should continue.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

10. Cops killing a recent high number of people last year is not progress, to me.

I don't want perfection. I want abolition, because we will never reform a violent white-supremacist system into something that is not violent or not white-supremacist.

[W_HAMILTON]

11. If you don't think progress has been made, you are shielding your eyes to it.

And what are you calling for abolition of? All police? Because abolishing police will result in more innocent people being killed -- not less.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. How do you define progress?

And yes, abolition of the police as an institution. We can do better.

[W_HAMILTON]

14. Progress improvements being made so that these incidents are less likely to occur...

...and to ensure that they are handled more appropriately (in terms of accountability) when they do occur.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

16. Yeah I guess what I'm asking for is specific examples of this progress.

Or even the improvements! There were at least 1,176 of "these incidents" -- cops killing people -- in 2022, up from at least 1,145 in 2021, nearly unchanged from at least 1,152 in 2020, up from at least 1,097 in 2019, the year before George Floyd was murdered in an "incident." What improvements have been made, and when do they start working?

[W_HAMILTON]

17. For starters, conflating justified shootings with incidents like these is disingenuous.

Next, do you think even a couple of decades ago, this incident would have unfolded the way it did? It would have probably been swept under the rug and you wouldn't have even heard about it. Now, with body cams and the extra (and rightful) scrutiny on such encounters, you have these officers fired and indicted on murder charges just a few weeks after the incident occurred.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

18. So what I hear you saying is that the improvement we've gotten from the past couple of

decades of reform, such as use of body cams, is getting cops fired and charged when they murder someone. The problem is, they're still murdering someone. The system has always been willing to offer up officers for accountability, without changing its brutalizing ways. And the only way you can accept "accountability" as progress is if there are still "incidents."

As far as justified killings -- it depends on who's doing the justifying, I suppose.

[uponit7771]

19. We've had progress but still not adequate policing in one too many PDs. We need a national standard

... and police unions working with communities otherwise its 1 step forward and .98 steps back.

[Irish_Dem]

7. Yes in my mind I started seeing George Floyd being tortured and killed in cold blood.

Right. Americans are horrified at first, but nothing changes.

[jalan48]

12. Never ending wars with the militarization of the police. The US isn't a peaceful country.