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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTimothy Snyder explains the McGonigal situation brilliantly (and frighteningly).
Gotta read this: The Specter of 2016: McGonigal, Trump, and the Truth about America
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Failing to understand the Russian threat in the 2010s was a prelude to failing to understand the Russian threat in 2020s. And today Americans who support Russia in its war of atrocity tend to be members of the Trump family or people closely aligned with Trump, such as Giuliani. The people who helped Trump then take part in the war on Ukraine now. Consider one of the main architects of Russia's 2016 campaign to support Trump, Yevgeny Prigozhin. In 2016, his relevant position was as the head of the Internet Research Agency; they were the very people who (for example) helped spread the story about Clinton that rescued Trump from the Access Hollywood scandal. Without the Internet Research Agency covering his back, Trump would have had a much harder time in the 2016 election. Today, during the war in Ukraine, Prigozhin is now better known as the owner of Wagner, sending tens of thousands of Russian prisoners to kill and die.
The implications of the arrest go further. McGonigal had authority in sensitive investigations where the specific concern was that there was an American giving away other Americans to foreign governments. Untangling what that means will require a concern for the United States that goes beyond party loyalty. Unfortunately, some key political figures seem to be reacting to the news in the opposite spirit: suppressing the past, thereby destabilizing the future. Immediately after the McGonigal story broke, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy ejected Adam Schiff from the House intelligence committee, in a grand exhibition of indifference to national security. A veteran of that committee, Schiff has has taken the time to learn about Russia. It is grotesque to exclude him at this particular moment, in the middle of a war, and at the beginning of a spy scandal
McCarthy's recent move against Schiff also recalls 2016, sadly. Much as I did, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy had an inkling, back then, that something was wrong with Trump and Russia. He expressed his view that June that Donald Trump was the Republican most likely to be taking money from Vladimir Putin. This showed a fine political instinct, sadly unmatched by any ethical follow-through. McCarthy did not share his suspicion with his constituents, nor do anything to follow through. He made the remark it in a conversation with other Republican House members, who did not disagree with him, and who apparently came to the conclusion the the risk of an embarrassment to their party was more important than American national security. Republicans in the Senate, sadly, took a similar view. They deliberately marginalized a CIA investigation that did address the Russian influence campaign for Trump. In September 2016, Mitch McConnell made it clear to the Obama administration that the CIA's findings would be treated as political if they were discussed in public. The Obama administration bowed to this pressure.
The Russian operation to get Trump elected in 2016 was real. We are still living under the specter of 2016, and we are closer to the beginning of the process or learning about it than we are to the end. Denying that it happened, or acting as though it did not happen, makes the United States vulnerable to Russian influence operations that are still ongoing, sometimes organized by the same people. It is easy to forget about 2016, and human to want to do so. But democracy is about learning from mistakes, and this arrest makes it very clear that we still have much to learn.
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)Kid Berwyn
(24,395 posts)Prof. Snyder pegs the players, their actions, the sundry rationales, and the implications on national security.
Instead of locking up the Russian and American gangsters corrupting the 2016 election, McGonigal was taking their money.
Docreed2003
(18,714 posts)triron
(22,240 posts)So many of us here at DU could see what was happening but the media was in a frenzy over Hillarys emails.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)In contrast, most MSM kept "frenzy" over tRump-Russia from breaking out and mostly entirely ignored Russia's assistance, during and since, to Senator Sanders' campaign and populist movement.
Tad Devine, who'd recently worked with Paul Manafort to elect a ruthless, corrupt RW dictator in Ukraine, became a strategist in the Sanders campaign while Manafort managed tRump's. Surely how they managed to get embedded with candidates in this presidential election should have justified a little frenzy of questions?
LisaM
(29,634 posts)The way some of the Democrats acted at the DNC that year was awful, the booing, the mouths taped shut, the insistence on having two nominees. Some of it was in good faith but some of it wasn't.
Every time her campaign got momentum, something slowed it (usually Comey, but not always).
Snarkoleptic
(6,235 posts)It's typical of these christo-fascists to support Russia and other authoritarian regimes, while undermining democracy.
Article from 2020.
Erik Prince, founder of the private security company Blackwater and a Trump administration adviser, has recently attempted to cultivate a business relationship with a sanctioned Russian paramilitary organization called the Wagner Group, The Intercept reported on Monday. The Trump administration sanctioned Wagner in 2017 for having recruited and sent soldiers to fight alongside [Russian-backed] separatists in eastern Ukraine in 2014. In my experience, the act of soliciting from a sanctioned party would indeed be an apparent violation, Brian OToole, a former senior sanctions official at the Treasury Department, told The Intercept, adding that offering to do business with Wagner would seem to be a fairly egregious thing to do.
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(20,897 posts)How much more corruption and deception can we stand that involves TDFG?
Something indeed is rotten in Denmark.
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triron
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uponit7771
(93,532 posts)intrepidity
(8,582 posts)blm
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mopinko
(73,726 posts)remember that this clown was in charge of figuring out why cia agents were getting burned in 2010.
you know there are bodies. itll take time, but i dont think either doj or fbi are sooooo far gone this can stand.
both orgs need a good fumigation, tho.
dutch777
(5,068 posts)and at very critical junctures in our political process.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)self protection, as well as protection of national goals, as motives for their attack on Schiff. Plenty of evidence has surfaced of various Republican-Russian connections.
brer cat
(27,587 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)gab13by13
(32,323 posts)This McGonigal situation should be front page news 24/7, instead it will be Trump on the campaign trail again.
triron
(22,240 posts)Ocelot II
(130,536 posts)The Tyre Nichols case has taken over the news for a couple of days, but I have no doubt that we'll see a lot more of McGonigal as the prosecution continues.
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)CIA acknowledged that dozens of its informants had been murdered. An unusually high number. At the time, I assumed that Trump was giving the names of informants to Putin and Putin was having them executed. The arrest of McGonigal for spying for Russia opens another possible link. With Trump in the White House, did McGonigal feel safe working for Russia?
Top American counterintelligence officials warned every C.I.A. station and base around the world last week about troubling numbers of informants recruited from other countries to spy for the United States being captured or killed, people familiar with the matter said.
The message, in an unusual top secret cable, said that the C.I.A.s counterintelligence mission center had looked at dozens of cases in the last several years involving foreign informants who had been killed, arrested or most likely compromised. Although brief, the cable laid out the specific number of agents executed by rival intelligence agencies a closely held detail that counterintelligence officials typically do not share in such cables.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html
mahina
(20,645 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)mahina
(20,645 posts)Lost track. Thank you again.
SalviaBlue
(3,109 posts)karin_sj
(1,370 posts)It's so discouraging and infuriating that this took so long to be brought into the mainstream. And even now, with all of this evidence, there is still resistance by so many to pursue it. Thank God for Timothy Snyder and others who are still bringing this treason and subterfuge to light. It's awful that even today, people in the most powerful branches of our government and in the media are working hard to hide and/or downplay the evidence that Russia is responsible for getting this orange traitor installed as our president for four years. Just sickening to even think about it.
triron
(22,240 posts)Wild blueberry
(8,295 posts)Thank you.
machoneman
(4,128 posts)calimary
(90,021 posts)What is WRONG with this picture???
blm
(114,658 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)july 2011 advice when he spent much of the month telling the teabags/dittoheads/putin tools that default couldn't happen and if it did it would force obama to make cuts. few republican business tycoons would want default like putin would.
dems need to read limbaugh on the floor of congress - like waving a turd under their noses. they think they can "do it right" this time. dems need to blame limbaugh and tie him to putin.
as christo racist fascists they had many common interests and whether limbaugh knew it or not, putin's been using talk radio/limbaugh since 2008 at least. trump was the result of americans not recognizing that through limbaugh, as the unspoken/in-the-basement moral and 'intellectual' leader of the republican party, putin could feed limbaugh and control central US messaging - for instance using clinton emails, benghazi or whatever else they wanted to make excuses for and rationalize everything trump did.
in 2008 manafort's partner rick gates was mccain's campaign chair and limbaugh would not support mccain until minutes after he chose palin on the ever of the GOP convention, averting total disaster. mccain wanted pawlenty or lieberman but limbaugh was pushing palin, who was being wooed by russian oil and gas interests and who would have no clue about being used.
how the fuck does sam nunberg get on MSNBC so many times and no one asks him details about when he "listened to 1000s of hours of talk radio" for trump in 2014? was he listening to major blowhards in the same swing states the russian operatives mueller indicted visited? he said trump was getting reports from him but did they end up in the russian troll farms? most of that social media piggybacked unchallenged talk radio repetition.
in 2009 limbaugh spent a whole week creating the 'climategate' hoax from a russian hack, in time to derail obama at copenhagen. saved the oligarchs billions in oil revenues as serious global action was delayed another decade.
even though limbaugh was trump's neighbor and golf partner he tried to look objective for the GOP primaries but eliminated/snubbed every one else and bush and rubio as too soft on immigration while making daily excuses for trump.
limbaugh and sons are the only reason why and how putin got trump anywhere close to the white house and ignoring rw radio is still the biggest political mistake in history.
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)The Democratic party will figure that out.
certainot
(9,090 posts)orangecrush
(30,261 posts)They took Charles Coughlin off the air.
Following a 1942 FBI investigation, Coughlins activities were curtailed by both US authorities and the Catholic Church.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/charles-e-coughlin
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)CanonRay
(16,171 posts)yardwork
(69,364 posts)The New York locus is not a coincidence.
patphil
(9,068 posts)He knows Trump was heavily involved with Russia, but just doesn't care. As long as he thinks he can do better by going along with Trump and his supporters in Congress he will.
Truth isn't something he cares about.
calimary
(90,021 posts)in some distinguished location.
Kevin McCarthy is a waste of human flesh.
KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)We should be hammering them on their "Denying that it happened, or acting as though it did not happen",
their whole "It's OK if a reQublican does it" shit. Teach voters we need politicians who know right from
wrong and will act accordingly.
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Thanks
BComplex
(9,914 posts)Just wondering now if Kevin McCarthy is now under the russian money tree, and/or threat. And was he under the threat/money tree when he went to kiss the ring?
He's known to have extramarital affairs, so I wonder if he was somehow compromised.
These days, russia is so far up our power brokers' butts that I'm totally paranoid.
Botany
(77,324 posts)Yup! And the person who was in charge of investigating it McGonigal, for the FBI was on Putin's payroll.
reACTIONary
(7,162 posts)... the current events and their retrospective significance.
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)eppur_se_muova
(41,942 posts)In insisting that "The Russia thing is a hoax", tfg enabled a foreign power to shape a US election, with dire consequences. That should bring a charge of subversion.
blm
(114,658 posts)wherever I can.
Nevilledog
(55,081 posts)The Unrolled Twitter thread I posted just wasn't as easy to share.
blm
(114,658 posts)Right after you posted it.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)... to jail.
There's no way this thing isn't all tied together with his announcement 10 days before the election that empirically hurt Clinton.
These fuckas are traitors and FBI NY at the least is still MAGA Land
eppur_se_muova
(41,942 posts)I'd love to see any of those happen.
Jimvanhise
(595 posts)On January 6th, 2017, Trump was briefed on Russia involvement in the 2016 election and shown proof that Vladimir Putin was behind it. To this day Trump has never mentioned that January 6, 2017 meeting.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/19/politics/james-clapper-trump-russia-hacking-cnntv/index.html
ymetca
(1,182 posts)perhaps, ceased to be a nation under Putin, and became something like the largest quasi-corporation in the world.
He's the boss. Everybody else works for him. He gets a cut of all the action.
Thus is he so admired by so many wannabe dictators, here and abroad.
Putin has been using our own, flawed, corporate ideology against us, and in a spectacular way.
And it all worked great until our hackneyed electoral college system foisted his stooge into the Oval. That exposed him.
Now he's got to invade Ukraine because that's where all the money is.
Was he led into a trap? If true, then he went so willingly.
The only lesson I'm learning from all this is that Money is God, and we are all its servants.
It's one shitty lesson, for which we all pay in blood.
moondust
(21,286 posts)With his senseless invasion and war crimes he may have screwed the Russian people for generations to come. The world has largely weaned itself off Russian products.
As Putins energy might ebbs, the world economy no longer needs Russia
burrowowl
(18,494 posts)niyad
(132,440 posts)SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)When the USSR was broken up and a couple of Russian leaders tried to make Russia more western friendly, it seemed to lull the average U.S. citizen into a false sense of security that the KGB no longer was a threat and Russia wants to be a good democracy now. Obviously, that either failed or was never their purpose from the beginning. Either way, U.S. citizens need to wake the fuck up and quit listening to russian propaganda from weirdos on Fox and other right-wing networks. They are in it for the money and couldn't give two shits if satan himself were signing their paychecks.
Ocelot II
(130,536 posts)during the '50s-'60s and into the '70s (conservatives, mostly) are so fond of Russia now that the USSR has broken up. They've done a complete 180 from the paranoia of the Cold War to wanting to be Putin's pals. I have to think this has a whole lot more to do with money than with ideology.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)We went from the Red Scare to the US govt being the enemy. People are so F'd up.
Ocelot II
(130,536 posts)ewagner
(18,967 posts)Not only was the FBI "asleep at the switch"....they were an active participant.