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blm

(113,278 posts)
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 07:16 PM Jan 2023

In reference to McGonigal and question: Why now?

Joohn Choe:

["Thanks _____, I read the Snyder thread yesterday. What is coming out on McGonigal and Deripaska is what we were relatively certain was there, (even though his role with Deripaska was not known specifically to us) and the fact that it is coming out now is what I was hoping for when I wrote about the need for a counterintelligence investigation of the Freedom Caucus and MAGA leadership after the election.

Its happening because a faction of the national security establishment is terrified of these types being on these Committees and having top security clearance, and their stated intent to blind US intelligence. So they are blowing it up now, escalating. Plus these guys are threatening to cut off the aid to Ukraine, openly repeating Kremlin talking points about Ukraine's government, calling for "peace" by pushing partition. So, the combo of the McGonigal scandal, and the NY Times thing on Durham/Trump is all being brought out now. It's funny how everyone is describing these revelations as "suspicious." It's intelligence warfare and the things coming out now have been sitting in the icebox all along waiting for the right moment to be taken out. Where there's ice, there was water."]

I might add that the media has not helped with their crappy coverage. They have misrepresented the removal of Schiff from the House Intelligence Committee as GOP revenge demanded by Trump loyalists for the Impeachments in which he played a lead role. The big picture which is not addressed is that Schiff got his start as a Federal prosecutor who investigated the Russian Mafia, money laundering and is as knowledgeable about Putin's intelligence warfare operations as anyone alive. His removal is part of the Russian operation to blind and misdirect US intelligence on their behalf, to further their full array of asymmetric warfare. It's not a petty "revenge tour" performance to make Trump happy. It's designed to protect Trump and the GOP MAGA leadership who participated in January 6th, and further Putin's geo-strategic goals.

Aside from the obvious, why remove Schiff and try to defund the FBI, and why put Trump's eyes and ears, MTG on the Homeland Security Committee? Because they are planning new and more dangerous January 6 type events, in DC and elsewhere. Historically, white supremacists infiltrate law enforcement for the explicit purpose of getting early warning and sounding alarms if the Feds or others are headed their way. They are continuing an old tactic with their Committee appointments, in this case picking white supremacists who also happen to be on Putin's team.

Why do you think GOP/Trump favorite Cory Mills from Florida brought in and distributed in Congress defused grenades yesterday? For the same reason their first actions after the swearing in were to remove the magnetometers from the entrance. It was a probe, a dry run meant to test the Capitol's security readiness/response. Anyone honest and qualified with a background in security will tell you it should be treated as just that, not a stunt.

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In reference to McGonigal and question: Why now? (Original Post) blm Jan 2023 OP
Link ? dweller Jan 2023 #1
Link to his twitter blm Jan 2023 #3
👍 dweller Jan 2023 #6
Barr, Durham, McGonigal...I'm having trouble... brush Jan 2023 #2
Timothy Snyder threads here at DU. Ocelot posted. blm Jan 2023 #4
Excellent analysis, as always at EmptyWheel erronis Jan 2023 #28
Thanks. Quite a lot to learn there with all the links. brush Jan 2023 #32
K&R JudyM Jan 2023 #5
Why keep all this info in the icebox instead of releasing it during the 2016 election cycle? NBachers Jan 2023 #7
I think it was mentioned that blm Jan 2023 #8
Just wow. Duppers Jan 2023 #9
Pisswig Pardoned Putin's Partner, Paul Manafort. Kid Berwyn Jan 2023 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author iemanja Jan 2023 #11
I think you misunderstood that part. blm Jan 2023 #14
What part? iemanja Jan 2023 #15
He wasn't referring to the forcing Schiff off committee blm Jan 2023 #16
Then why the subject heating "McGonigal, Why now"? iemanja Jan 2023 #20
He explains it. They are moving now against McGonigal and blm Jan 2023 #24
I see iemanja Jan 2023 #25
The part where the crooks call off the police. Kid Berwyn Jan 2023 #17
and? How is that news? iemanja Jan 2023 #19
What is your issue? What exactly blm Jan 2023 #21
Well, it's the subject heading iemanja Jan 2023 #22
It should be news. Kid Berwyn Jan 2023 #23
JHC. The "dry run" shows it will happen again, only worse. Sickening. And we just watch it unfold? Evolve Dammit Jan 2023 #12
In regards to the "mass media" in the U.S. DENVERPOPS Jan 2023 #13
And that the mass media is controlled by anti-democratic forces erronis Jan 2023 #29
You might enjoy... Kid Berwyn Jan 2023 #35
Excellent !!!!!!!!! DENVERPOPS Jan 2023 #36
Google Robert Hanssen Traildogbob Jan 2023 #18
Oh, sure. Send them to my back yard. soldierant Jan 2023 #26
"We need to know why congress members went to Moscow on July 4th, why Flynn was a frequent guest... erronis Jan 2023 #30
Sure seems so. Traildogbob Jan 2023 #33
Exactly! Bluethroughu Jan 2023 #27
Bookmarking to read later. nt BlueLucy Jan 2023 #31
K&R, uponit7771 Jan 2023 #34

brush

(54,564 posts)
2. Barr, Durham, McGonigal...I'm having trouble...
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 07:30 PM
Jan 2023

Last edited Sat Jan 28, 2023, 09:44 PM - Edit history (1)

differentiating all these names and skullduggery that's recently popping up.

Please connect the dots.

erronis

(15,834 posts)
28. Excellent analysis, as always at EmptyWheel
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 09:26 PM
Jan 2023
https://www.emptywheel.net/

Very in depth with a ton of (usually) helpful commentary.

But there are lots of characters involved in these plots. Hard to keep them all identified and linked.

NBachers

(17,334 posts)
7. Why keep all this info in the icebox instead of releasing it during the 2016 election cycle?
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 07:41 PM
Jan 2023

Oh, that’s right, there was another agenda of that point, wasn’t there?

blm

(113,278 posts)
8. I think it was mentioned that
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 08:00 PM
Jan 2023

they didn’t have it in place, and the parts they needed were under McGonigal’s authority.

Kid Berwyn

(15,627 posts)
10. Pisswig Pardoned Putin's Partner, Paul Manafort.
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 08:08 PM
Jan 2023

Paul Manafort owed Oleg Deripaska millions, a debt Manafort he promised to “make whole” as his own personal insider in the Drumpf White Haus. His actions with agents of Putin demonstrate how the campaign treasonously conspired with Moscow in 2016. Who knows what would’ve been revealed had the guy been held to account and in prison today?

Coincidentally, FBI counterespionage expert Charles McGonigal was getting paid lots of money by a Deripaska cut-out just after that time. Something We the People probably never would’ve known were it not for a bag of cash and a curious girlfriend.



I am so glad to know Gen. Milley and so many more take the oath seriously.

Response to blm (Original post)

blm

(113,278 posts)
16. He wasn't referring to the forcing Schiff off committee
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 08:36 PM
Jan 2023

as a “Democratic party” issue. He was saying it was deliberate by McCarthy because Schiff is a Russia Intel expert. The media is playing into their hands by making it about political payback. It’s the Republican Putin lovers that national security people are worried about.


blm

(113,278 posts)
24. He explains it. They are moving now against McGonigal and
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 08:44 PM
Jan 2023

giving access to info on Barr-Durham story BEFORE Intel committee Republicans can interfere.

Kid Berwyn

(15,627 posts)
17. The part where the crooks call off the police.
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 08:37 PM
Jan 2023

Schiff and Swalwell are on to Trumpco Treason. Putin’s tools McCarthy, Gym Jordan, Ted Cruz, etc etc etc continue to operate and function.

blm

(113,278 posts)
21. What is your issue? What exactly
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 08:40 PM
Jan 2023

is your complaint here? I must be missing something. What am I missing?

Kid Berwyn

(15,627 posts)
23. It should be news.
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 08:42 PM
Jan 2023

Instead, the press has made it OK for the GOP to support Dip way past the point of forgiving treason.

DENVERPOPS

(9,121 posts)
13. In regards to the "mass media" in the U.S.
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 08:12 PM
Jan 2023

When will everyone figure out that the Mass Media in the U.S. is 80+% owned by Rich Republicans and Republican Corporations.
TV, Cable news, Radio, Newspapers, Periodicals, etc etc etc. ALL OF IT...............

It is that simple............they may as well be the old PRAVDA of the U.S.S.R.

The first thing that Hitler did in Germany was take over the press.........

erronis

(15,834 posts)
29. And that the mass media is controlled by anti-democratic forces
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 09:29 PM
Jan 2023

whether US libertarians or foreign countries.

They'd all like to see the US government become a rubberstamp for the rich and powerful. More so than it already is.

Kid Berwyn

(15,627 posts)
35. You might enjoy...
Sun Jan 29, 2023, 12:38 PM
Jan 2023

…a post with resources seldom if ever mentioned by CNNBCIABCBS nor the rival Rupert’s Fixed Noise Nutwork.

Right Wing Built the Mass Media Long Ago to Manipulate the Masses

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217547007

Traildogbob

(9,085 posts)
18. Google Robert Hanssen
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 08:37 PM
Jan 2023

Russia has been in the pocket of FBI for decades now.
He gave up over 50 field agents. 3 were executed by the then KGB. He was convicted of espionage in 2022. Pleaded guilty to avoid firing squad and began life sentence with 23 hours a day solitary confinement. Still serving in fed prison in Colorado.
We need to know why congress members went to Moscow on July 4th, why Flynn was a frequent guest of Putin. And Manafort……is it not all obvious. I am sure Gym and Large Marge will get to the bottom of it all. We need a massive purge in DC. All Russian
Asshats need to be in Colorado cells. Start with Hair Furor.

soldierant

(7,177 posts)
26. Oh, sure. Send them to my back yard.
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 09:07 PM
Jan 2023

At least the Max isn't in Boebert's district, although it's durned close.

erronis

(15,834 posts)
30. "We need to know why congress members went to Moscow on July 4th, why Flynn was a frequent guest...
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 09:33 PM
Jan 2023

We need to know why congress members went to Moscow on July 4th, why Flynn was a frequent guest of Putin. And Manafort……is it not all obvious. I am sure Gym and Large Marge will get to the bottom of it all. We need a massive purge in DC.

These event need to be brought to the front. Of course the IC knows what happened and perhaps why, but it isn't public. Perhaps because it involves friends in the IC?

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