Steve Kornacki take your polls as well as your failed red wave and

[malaise]

go eff Yourself!
Keep on promoting the pathological liar - the fascist narcissist criminal who attempted a coup.
You hacks are part of the problem.
That is all.

[Walleye]

1. A huge part of the problem. It's like they can't help themselves

[malaise]

2. The Slobfather is their soap opera for clickbait

Of that I am convinced

[Walleye]

4. It's like "Whee, we don't have to work anymore, we can just talk about Trump"

[brooklynite]

3. Be sure to tune in tomorrow.....

[malaise]

5. As long as you do the same for my OPs

[panader0]

59. LOL!

[MontanaMama]

99. Wish I could kick just this...

[Johnny2X2X]

6. Outliers

They keep reporting outlier polls while ignoring 10 other ones. Biden beats Trump head to head in most polls, yet we only hear about the odd outlier that shows Trump beating Biden. Why?

[malaise]

7. They think this is sports betting

and fail to remove the bias of the house

[Johnny2X2X]

11. Sports

Apt reference, they act like this is a sports rivalry.

And they're citing some obscure polls no one has ever heard of, but ignoring ones by Gallup or ABC/Wapo.

[malaise]

12. Precisely

which is why they got it so wrong in November

[Johnny2X2X]

115. On November

So Dems had by all measures one of the most successful midterms for a party in power in 100 years. It was fantastic to hold the Senate and barely lose the House while making some gains in the states.

So we kind of just shrug off the Red Wave nonsense, because we won. But what if we were going to hold the House and pick up a couple more Senate seats and the Red Wave talk depressed turnout enough to prevent that? We'll never really know and no doubt the country will be damaged by the GOP controlled House the next 2 years.

Just seems like the media is more invested than ever in promoting the Far Right GOP.

[malaise]

116. The media want money from all sides

Truth and democracy be damned

[asiliveandbreathe]

30. Exactly..I shut the door to the fr..hubby watching mr khaki..must be on rerun..

If anyone did any analysis with regards to the sports lines this year, over/under..giving points..they were so off the mark..these polls ..WTF..and mr khaki..well, to take a line from Pacino in Scent of a Woman.."eff you too"

[malaise]

36. Yep

That's the line for them

[housecat]

69. Great movie

[uponit7771]

108. +1,

[FalloutShelter]

8. Seriously... I have stopped watching.

Several of my friends have pulled the plug on cable entirely.
The MSM is manipulating the public. IMHO it's time for a boycott.
Pull the plug.

We are amusing ourselves, literally, to death. Let's talk about action. At some point we have to move beyond schadenfreude and ridicule.

If the MSM refuse to cut off DT's oxygen. It's time we cut off theirs. WE have the power to do that.

[DownriverDem]

20. So

I don't do streaming except for having Amazon Prime. I like the Discovery Channel and the History Channel. I have not been able to find out how to have all our TVs connected like we do with cable boxes. So I still have cable.

[cornball 24]

21. I have stopped watching too. Agree with you on the boycott!

[usaf-vet]

29. We pulled the plug during the run-up to the Obama administration. The GOP lies were evident then.

We have not seen ANY national or local MSM TV live since Amazon Prime, BritBox, and Acorn. BritBox and Acorn are exclusive British programming.

In the morning, I start with DU, then go to The Guardian for world news. During the rest of the day, a quick visit or two to DU.

We don't watch sports, INCLUDING political sports. So we have no reason to feel like we need to reconnect.

[AngryOldDem]

129. I only watch enough news anymore to make sure the world hasn't blown up.

I’m not feeding that beast anymore. Cable news has too much time on its hands, so what’s the best way to fill time? Stir shit. I don’t have to watch it.

The talking heads will get taken in by Trump again. But if folks decide to keep watching, then that is squarely on THEM.

[randr]

9. The real news is that Americans are sick and tired of campaign crap

and the pundits who fuel it. We need limited campaigning.

[brooklynite]

13. Reality check. You can't change either candidate funding or campaign duration.

[jaxexpat]

19. To the extent it is consumer driven....

we can impact it with our pocketbooks and attention span. The entertainment business surrounding politics and elections is as vulnerable as any other.

[brooklynite]

24. Apparently we can't

If people weren't watching the stories, the news media wouldn't cover them.

Consider then endless stream of complaints here about Chuck Todd, Steve Kornacki and Andrea Mitchell. Its almost as if people were watching them regularly.

[Demsrule86]

27. Cable news is losing viewers everyday

Young folks don’t watch.

[The Wizard]

118. yes

[doc03]

10. I change channels the minute I see him. That Clark Kent routine gets old. nt

[malaise]

16. A perfect description

The Clark Kent routine

[Rebl2]

43. Same

Been doing that for a couple years now.

[MontanaMama]

101. Lordy me too.

The rest of the msnbc crew blows smoke plumes up his khaki ass like he hung the moon when it comes to vote counts… infuriating.

[spanone]

14. The twice impeached, insurrectionist, disgraced former 'president' held rallies this weekend

and the media didn't mention any of the above disqualifications.

Fuck 'em.

[malaise]

15. Not one

Enough of this shit

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. I don't recall Kornacki promoting a Red Wave

All I remember is in-the-moment reportage of election results.

[Meadowoak]

22. I do.

[jcgoldie]

34. that's because it never happened

Kornacki presents multiple scenarios and describes what to look for in the results that would indicate outcomes. Evidently considering worst case scenarios is more than some folks can handle.

[Fiendish Thingy]

37. Yeah, reporting an outlier poll isn't the same as promoting a Red Wave.

Neither is detailing the math that would have to occur in order for a Red Wave to happen.

[ShazzieB]

92. 100% agree.

All the Kornacki bashing here has gotten really old.

Same with bashing MSNBC in general. I don’t know how many times I've read comments about MSNBC here and thought the people who wrote them must be watching a different MSNBC than the one I watch.

[Septua]

123. "..people who wrote them must be watching a different MSNBC than the one I watch."

Ditto...a lot of the news does revolve around Trump and his acolytes. But for some of us, the threat posed by Trump is the main story every day. He tried to overturn the 2020 election, failed at that and then tried to block the peaceful transfer of power. He hasn't changed his story or position and gives every appearance of planning to do it all again.

Whether MSNBC reports his intentions or not and whether we watch it or not, he remains a clear and present danger to the country. With the likes of Fox perpetuating the propaganda that all our problems are due to Biden and Democrats, someone has to keep pounding out the truth.

[uponit7771]

110. Reporting outlier polls *WITHOUT* perspective of good sampled low MOE polls is though. He never

... contrasted the two and there were plenty of polls that had credibility that weren't highlighted as often as the outlier polls.

If he had emphasized the well sampled low MOE polls without adding stupid crap like Biden's relatively high approval ratings then Kornacki would've been the outlier relative to the M$M message.

He wasn't

[SCantiGOP]

60. A lot of folks here want their bubble

Just like the MAGAs live in their FOX bubble.
He’s a journalist, not a Democratic cheerleader.

[Fiendish Thingy]

65. More than a journalist, he's a statistician and mathematician.

Sometimes he’s put in the pundit chair, but mostly he’s crunching numbers.

[Still Sensible]

71. True! n/t

[grantcart]

75. Objective observation, increasingly rare here.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

82. +1. N/T

[uponit7771]

109. He included outlier polls that he .. SHOULD ... have know had MOEs that were too high to be beleive

... one too many times.

He should've dropped 538 and RCP in his reporting and just gone with low MOE high sample polls and reported from there or at least let us know the difference.

They all went on horse race reporting and didn't do America any good.

[ananda]

18. Polls are meaningless now. It's the gerrymandering and...

voter suppression we need to worry about.

[Magoo48]

25. Polls schmools

https://images.app.goo.gl/MF47aoq7tR6LieBe7

[JohnSJ]

26. I no longer watch the cable/satellite "news shows", because essentially they aren't news when you

intersperse analysis and opinion within actual news, and blur the line between what is news, and what is opinion.

Giving the impression that a poll is somehow reality, is itself misleading.

I suspect the OP is referring to a poll, which I would guess is a "national poll", which has very little meaning in relationship to how a President is elected.

I would also venture the poll is most likely done through the telephone, which also contributes to misleading results, since I strongly believe that a large portion of the population will NOT answer calls from numbers they do NOT recognize.

I hear arguments that they are able to factor that in, but I would argue that based on what happened in the 2022 midterms, that does not compute, and I think the polls are going to reflect a much large margin of error than the pollsters would like to admit. In other words, these polls reflect mostly the views of those who have no problem answering calls from numbers they do NOT recognize. How do you account for the MILLIONS of others who will NOT answer calls from numbers they do NOT recognize?

Even with the inadequacies I mentioned, the poll that seems to have triggered this OP, how many in that poll were undecided, what was the sampling size, and what percentage were called in blue states, red states, and swing states? Without that information, it would be very difficult to evaluate. I would also argue that the pollster would probably get a more accurate evaluation if they gave more weighting to the so-called swing states.

[tiredtoo]

28. Also stopped watching the bs on tv.

But I am being overloaded with fund raising emails and text messages. Damn!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

31. No offense, but how is this not Dem bashing? Just askin

Seems like such a double standard. Like stating one doesn't like Fauci ( he's a Dem?) Because he did not warn emphatically early on when trump purposely hid covid and withheld PPE from doctors and nurses. And a loved one died?

Not meaning to take this out on you. Grrrr.

[milestogo]

40. I don't think Kornacki or Fauci are Dems.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

50. Well jurists are thinking that :(

[milestogo]

54. I'm pretty sure they are both Republicans.

But if the Trump administration didn't change that, nothing will.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

58. I must have missed something major. All this time

my family has been angered with Fauci because we feel like he abetted trump's silence and is partially to blame. Don't care what his party affiliation is. But then it was like a tsunami -the blind adoration. Guess there are some diverse feelings that intersect party . If Rs don't like someone we must like them?

Don't give a shit about Kornacke. Much more tolerant now cuz of trump. Guy just trying to do his job for a for-profit broadcaster. My 2¢

[milestogo]

62. From Wikipedia:

Fauci says he is an independent nonpartisan and his voter registration shows that he is not affiliated with any political party, although he still votes.[14] Prior to 2020, he had positive relationships with both Democrats and Republicans and considered George W. Bush a close friend: "Obviously there's been appropriate controversy regarding decisions regarding Iraq, but his moral compass about health equity is very strong."[14] Fauci has specifically praised Bush's work to combat HIV/AIDS through PEPFAR, a global health initiative credited with saving over 20 million lives as of 2021[38] primarily in Sub-Saharan Africa. According to Fauci, "[Bush's] exact words to me were, 'We have a moral responsibility as a rich nation to not have people suffer and die merely because of where they live and the circumstances in which they were born'".[14] Former CDC director and CEO of Resolve to Save Lives, Tom Frieden, said that "I have no idea what his politics are. Reagan and both Bushes liked him. Clinton and Obama liked him".[129]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci

I think I heard he was a Repug somewhere on DU. Maybe not. But he obviously hasn't politicized his position except that he was non-confrontational with Trump. I think that's his personality.

[jcgoldie]

63. Pretty sure if Fauci had been more outspoken against Trump...

...he would have been replaced with another anti-science Trump stooge at the height of the pandemic. At least he didn't kiss Trump's ass everytime he said stupid shit like Deborah Birx.

[milestogo]

64. His body language said it all.

I think he was horrified.

[appalachiablue]

67. +1 Birx was a horror

[whathehell]

89. He would have been "replaced" by Trump

That seemed to be the majority opinion here at the time, and it's one I still hold.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

86. I get it. I'd give him a pass because he is not used to

Presidents not listening to him. But losing a loved one because of indirect inaction is mighty powerful. And then don't get why scarf lady got canned and F is idolized. Not trying to cause a stink. It just doesn't add up to me. Even without personal stake in it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

87. Trump is a powerful devil to the nth. To have such

Power over good people who knew right from wrong.

[Meowmee]

77. He lied about masks not protecting you etc. and

Then admitted it later. As did many others and it cost people their lives. Part of it was to try to have masks only for hcw. Really dumb and unforgivable. The best thing anybody could’ve done would have been to purchase as many high-quality masks for yourself and your family immediately- any type of mask, a good cloth mask would have helped to slow the spread and would have saved lives.

Re: I think the dem figures have to be elected public figures or former.

I don’t know what their politics are.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

90. Hi my dear Meowmee! It's anyone who was privy. Anyone

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on. Covid Committee. I just know Pence, Burx ( so)? Fauci, and of course TFG

Sorry OP for highjacking your Kornacke thread
. just still an open wound. Along with many others.

[Meowmee]

102. Hi 🤗

Yes lots of health officials said the same etc. I feel your pain. a lot of people here, and elsewhere do not understand the depth of the pain, and loss that we have suffered, and that it will never go away. For me every time I think about all of it, and there is so much in my case that happened, I feel my body gripped with terrible pain, and regret, radiating from my heart throughout. I can hardly believe that it is all real, everything that happened.



Ps Op sorry for the hijack too.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

114. You're so right. Such a complex but perfect storm of horrible events

Including, for you especially, deep " survivor's guilt."

And that trump is even allowed to run again is unfathomable given .US House Committee proved he lied and proved he purposely withheld PPE

[Meowmee]

122. When he is gone for good from this world

I will feel some kind of peace maybe. I doubt he will ever be held accountable for any of this which amount to his worst crimes without doubt.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

124. Ditto. Nope, no accountability then or ever. Worst crime to boot. nt

[Meowmee]

132. yes and how people can not see that is beyond me

hugs to you LPMAD 🤗

[malaise]

125. No problem at all

😀😀

[The Wizard]

119. Masks don't protect the one wearing the mask

They protect others from breathing in whatever comes from your mouth and nose.

[Meowmee]

120. Wrong

Completely wrong. Masks most certainly also protect the wearer as well. I spent many, many hours while my father was being tortured in hospitals wearing kn95 with covid patients sometimes in the next room, with unmasked people being allowed to walk around and never once contracted covid there or anywhere else so long as I was masked. I did contract it in the beginning while unmasked ahen everyone was lying about the facts.

It is sad to see such ignorance about the facts on display once again here

[whathehell]

88. What is the basis of your opinion about Fauci?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

91. Obvious

[whathehell]

93. Lol..Hardly.

..You simply have no basis.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

94. Not a lol matter. But whatever

[whathehell]

95. Maybe not, but making statements one can't

defend or even explain doesn't leave many.options.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

96. Like what?

[whathehell]

103. Like what?

..Like your inability to answer when I asked what your basis was for assuming Fauci was Republican.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

113. I have zero idea what party he's with. Don't really care.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

131. Like what?

[Polybius]

73. Same with Zelensky

And he's not a Democrat.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

97. What do you mean? If you critique him it's Dem bashing?

Even if he's not a Dem? Not surprised.

[malaise]

126. That has long been my understanding

[barbtries]

33. not a fan either.

his frenetic jumping around constantly left me incapable of even really hearing what he said. turns out it was bullshit anyways

[LisaM]

55. Yes, he's very gimmicky.

They put him on sports shows now for the playoffs, too. It's so aggravating.

[Codifer]

35. This BS was the first bit I saw

this morning. Turned it off immediately.

We live in a world of bullshit and greed. They go hand in hand it seems.

[Tom Rinaldo]

38. I overall appreciate him on the election nights themselves. Other times, not so much

His energy is annoyingly hyper, but that is less jarring when there is actual suspense over what the next batch of actual votes tabulated will indicate. On election night I am hyper also, and the drama is real with real results coming in, rather than breathless horse race reporting based on this or that polling prior to the election itself. Before an election he is working overtime to create news to cover, the actual news happens once the polls are closed. But I give him credit for doing the best analysis on TV about what fragmentary results seem to indicate, about which counties and precincts are good bell weathers, about how prior elections returns compared to incoming new election returns portend likely outcomes, and for pegging where remaining uncounted votes are concentrated vis a vis blue and red vote pockets yet to be tabulated. The man does do his homework.

[milestogo]

41. I like it when they bring him on to do sports predictions.

[Siwsan]

39. Two things that make me race to change the channel: Lume commercials and Steve Kornacki

Both annoy me to the nth degree.

[PCIntern]

42. Sick of his frenetic bullshit-approach.

All he fucking does is ADDITION and makes it seem as though he’s doing Fourier Transforms.

[malaise]

70. ROFL

[FakeNoose]

44. "If the only tool you have is a hammer, then every problem is a nail"

That's Steve Kornacki's problem ... his entire career is based on analyzing political polls. He has to find a way to make them interesting and controversial, otherwise people won't pay attention. MSNBC hired him to exactly what he's doing, and (I guess) he likes doing it. The other hosts are fine with it because none of them want to get up at the white board and talk about this stuff.

My only gripe is that there's way too much Steve, at the expense of some intelligent, interesting political analysts who don't rely on the polls so much. I like James Carville too, but I don't want to listen to him all day long. There isn't anyone I'd want to listen all day long.

On the other hand, I don't hear Steve pushing rightwing talking points. He doesn't seem to push either party-line, all he cares about is the "horse race."

[Paladin]

45. Kornacki is more likely to stop wearing khakis than change his views.

Any time he shows up on air, I can't switch channels fast enough.

[Sympthsical]

46. Poor Steve Kornacki

Forever the cloud in a world of quivering canes.

[Erda]

47. Add Jonathan Capehart to the FO list

His show continues to criticize President Biden for the mishandling of classified documents. A guest last week even said President Biden should not run again, because of it.

Yesterday, in digging up the same old story, there was nary a mention of Pence, who was vice president just as President Biden was at the time, in the discussion. Only Trump and President Biden. Fair coverage would have mentioned Pence as well.

[HubertHeaver]

61. I wonder how many classified documents would be found

In Hubert Humphrey's papers? That would be some interesting stuff.

[malthaussen]

48. Pellucidly clear, as always. n/t

[aggiesal]

49. As much as I love numbers and stats I don't watch Steve Kornacki ...

Can't stand his hyper jitteryness, it's like he's have a numbers orgasm.

But what did he say to set you off?
Do you have a link?

Thanks.

[NJCher]

51. After reading this thread

I'm still unclear on what actually happened. Is there a clip so we can view to understand what he did?

[Erda]

57. He went through a whole performance about how President Biden

is unpopular, I believe he used the term "under water" and justified this characterization with statistics. He then went on to discuss the match up between Trump and Biden. It was his whole negative lead in about President Biden that tainted every thing that followed. {Morning Joe this morning.)

[NJCher]

66. thanks, Erda

I, too, am sick of this misrepresentation. It is like they want to promote Biden being unpopular when there is very little basis for doing so.

[malaise]

78. Precisely

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On with their fascist narrative

[uponit7771]

112. +1, Biden's approval rating is above average for the last 20 years

[uponit7771]

111. +1, Biden's current approval rating is above average for the last 20 years of MAGA hyper polor ...

... partisanship.

That's what Kornacki was leaving out of that report.

Hell, Obama's average was 45 !!

[Joinfortmill]

52. I never warmed to him.

[PortTack]

53. Once again...you nailed it!

[Greybnk48]

56. I hear you malaise! I turned on ABC nightly news last night and

the reader filling in for David Muir was talking about Trump's new campaign like it was a normal thing!!!

A fucking criminal, twice impeached mobster, and a traitor to this country! Just another candidate.

And he's still walking free. The media, Kornacki included is destroying our country. Killing us with lies, gaslighting and propaganda.

[malaise]

68. And that is my point

You nailed it

[Grins]

72. This lacks context. What are you talking about? NM

[Celerity]

79. +100000

It really is becoming tiresome.

[malaise]

81. Erda at #57 summarizes it very well n/t

[Polybius]

74. I love Kornacki

But I don't rely on him for election predictions. Instead I like watching him on Election Day. He knows where the remaining votes are coming from.

[questionseverything]

83. By knowing which precincts have already reported and which we are waiting for

He is actually helping protect the vote count

[ificandream]

76. Election predictions done by responsible sources are all iffy.

Kornacki doesn't work for Fox. He's not dishonest. I think "red wave" was a phrase used on TV to concisely describe what might happen. It doesn't mean they thought it would.

[LPBBEAR]

80. I detest him

He should be calling high school football games from the announcers booth in Podunk Nebraska.

[The_Casual_Observer]

98. The red wave was inevitable from the day Biden won.

According to those shits. It was 2 + years of nonstop bullshit "the people think". Don't anybody try and say it didn't happen because its a fact.

[BaronChocula]

100. Korn-hacky

He's just about numbers, and the numbers he crunches in real time on the air are completely unnecessary. I'll wait til morning to see the result of the new 300 votes that came in Nogivafuk County. No need for me to revisit him every three minutes at the Big Board.

[malaise]

104. Nicely played

😀

[Mike Nelson]

105. I think...

... they know that Crooked Donald would be good for the "all-news" networks' ratings.

[malaise]

106. And nothing else matters

Eff the country

[Goddessartist]

107. 100% agree!!!

[The Wizard]

117. Kornacki does the bidding for Russian propaganda

I change channels when I hear his voice. When will he end up on Pox News?

[Maru Kitteh]

121. Concise and oh so very correct m'dear Malaise.

[AngryOldDem]

127. LOL.

I seem to recall Kornacki had a fan club here up to and through the midterms.

Ignore the “hacks.” Life is too short to do otherwise.

[malaise]

128. I was never a member

[AngryOldDem]

130. Not a Steve fan, either...but

I felt very much in the minority when I said so.