In my opinion Evangelical religion has no business POLITICALLY forcing me or any other

[Stargazer99]

woman to follow their religion (re abortion) as their Master Christ FORCED NO ONE TO FOLLOW HIM and you are not following Christ's example, but following the ways of the world as you were told not to do

[cyclonefence]

1. As always, if you oppose abortion for religious reasons

don't have one. Your faith is (and should be) your own.

Jesus told us to go into a closet and be private in our prayers. Sounds to me like he meant MYOB.

[AZ8theist]

28. Hypocrites. Gawd ORDERED abortion....

Numbers 5:11–31

Read your fucking Buy Bull, hypocrites.

[GreenWave]

2. If one believe in a Grand Artificer

then the All Knowing commits billions of natural abortions and fetal re-absorptions every year!

[HAB911]

3. They have all their bases covered

when you tell them their god is the most prolific abortionist, their response is "that is his plan, and we can't understand his plan". I've tried, but have stopped trying.

[Ferrets are Cool]

13. The same plan that has children being raped.

Religion is a fucking joke.

[plimsoll]

22. So, let me see if I understand this;

"We can't understand his* plan, when he* causes miscarriages and stillbirths. But you know that his* plan is to force other women to carry children they are worried they can't support to term."

[HAB911]

24. Yes, that about describes the thought process

[GreenWave]

30. Good point, i have not locked horns in ages.

I remember decimating them, by telling them there is no unified voice for religion and much of what they believe was plagiarized from other faith systems. In the end, their defense was well our god knows more than you. I asked and what is the non-generic name of your deity? They left.

[Whiskeytide]

4. For many of them, forcing women to submit ...

… is how they get hard. They have to get hard to procreate. So it’s like an evolutionary adapta … oh wait …

[scarletlib]

5. True.

[czarjak]

6. Kids in cages was undeniably cool though?

[twodogsbarking]

7. You should be forced to even hear religious speech. Any.

[vlyons]

8. Christianity, evangelical or otherwise has ALWAYS been intolerant, domineering, and

authoritarian. Believers are told to accept their dogma on faith alone. No need for reason and analysis. It has a horrible 2000+ year history of war against non-believers, torture, and murder. Enslavement also. Even war and mayhem against Christians of a different kind. IMHO a truly evil and horrific institution. There is no creator invisible sky god, who waves a magic wand to suspend the laws of physics and make time flow backwards.

And yet these evangelicals wrap themselves in a cloak of self-righteousness to make non-believers wrong, so they can make themselves feel right.

[secondwind]

9. Well said!

[IronLionZion]

10. As if freedom from religion would be written in the US Constitution

oh wait, it's the very first amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The US was founded on explicitly NOT having any official state religion. The US is definitely NOT supposed to have a theocratic government, so religion should not be used as the excuse for any policy whatsoever.

[multigraincracker]

11. This guy stopped me and started preaching all of that same old stuff.

I never said a word. When he got done he ask if I wanted to learn more and I told him "Jesus was a truck driving son of a bitch". He couldn't get away fast enough with out another word.
Hey, I waited for my turn.

[Martin Eden]

12. Did Jesus EVER say ANYTHING about abortion?

These hymn singing hypocrites conveniently IGNORE all the most important lessons from Jesus, like helping the poor and the sick and welcoming the stranger.

[niyad]

14. As the great Mrs. Betty Bowers said, jesus never said anything about abortion,

or homosexuality.

And, as Z. pointed out, it is funny how white, european christians worship a book that has no white, european christians in it.

[treestar]

15. this book can be very popular

with people who are neither white, nor European.

[bluesbassman]

26. Yes it certainly can. But who introduced the book to most of those non-white, non-Europeans?

Often at the tip of a sword, or with the crack of a whip.

It definitely wasn’t the brown skinned middle easterners whose people presumably “wrote the book”.

[treestar]

29. The British are gone

and yet many people stay Christian, 50 years later. They could have dropped it if by was by force.

Some of it was true conversion. They convinced the indigenous people it was a great religion.

[The Jungle 1]

19. There is this from the Freedom from Religion Foundation.

Out of more than 600 laws of Moses, none comments on abortion. One Mosaic law about miscarriage specifically contradicts the claim that the bible is antiabortion, clearly stating that miscarriage does not involve the death of a human being. If a woman has a miscarriage as the result of a fight, the man who caused it should be fined. If the woman dies, however, the culprit must be killed:
https://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/26087-abortion-nontract

[Martin Eden]

31. So then, anti-abortion does NOT have a religious origin.

They use their fraudelent "pro-life" to claim a moral high ground on which they do not actually stand.

[The Jungle 1]

32. It is called cafeteria style Christianity

They pick and choose the parts of Christianity they like and make up a lot.
I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me. Matthew 25:35
The radical right does ignores these teachings. Do we welcome refugees in America?

They are not Christians and we need to point it out.

[dembotoz]

16. ANY faith that decides to ram its doctrine down my throat is unwelcome

i would not like to live under the house of saud or india or even Israel for that matter either.

[Marthe48]

17. christofascists have perverted faith ideals

for their own worldly ends.

Voltaire said, "If God didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent him." The powerful in the world love being able to use a perverted concept of God, Christian, or not, to keep the people in line. The bullies will go along with it, the fearful will go along with it, the nonbelievers will go to jail or die.

[dalton99a]

18. Whatever they are worshipping is a cruel sadistic bigoted asshole, not Jesus

[The Jungle 1]

20. Christianity is collapsing in America

The numbers are shocking. A Pew Research Center study shows that as of 2020, about 64% of Americans identify as Christian. Fifty years ago, that number was 90%.Sep 15, 2022.
A new IFS analysis using the American Family Survey suggests that religious attendance has declined significantly in the past two years. The share of regular churchgoers is down by 6 percentage points, from 34% in 2019 to 28% in 2021.Dec 29, 2022
IMO the decline is because the "Christians" are not coming close to Christ's teachings. If I sit in church and hear stupidity from the sermon I will not go back. It has become important to know the political party of the priest or pastor. That is wrong. I guess we can plan on an even stronger push to demand we be a Christian nation. Is mandatory church attendance next.
On the up side the Pope said Gay is OK.

[Hotler]

21. Religon is like a penis.

It's great to have one and it's okay to be proud of it but, you don't wave it around in public and you don't try to shove down peoples throats.

[The Jungle 1]

33. Here is the dirty little secret

Spreading the word is one of the responsibilities of Christianity.

[jaxexpat]

23. The usual, knee-jerk answer "abortion is murder" reveals a ridiculously simple world view.

Poverty is murder. Climate change is murder. Pollution is murder. Overpopulation is murder. Gross wealth inequality is murder. Ignorance is murder. Trauma and fear are murder. Bigotry is murder.

NOT being born into a world where all the above is common can only be benevolent non-existence.

[bluestarone]

25. Hate to say it, but ever since TFG, religion has become MORE like

The Wizard Of Oz, and the man behind the curtain!

[Mad_Machine76]

27. Seems like a lot of this junk should be able to be stopped

on First Amendment (real) religious freedom grounds. Not everybody practices Christianity, not all Christians even agree on everything and some people don't practice any religion at all but nobody signed up to have one group of one sect of one religion dictate public policy for everybody in this country. There is also no way that you're ever going to convince me that the Founding Fathers ever intended it to be like this either. We know as a matter of historical fact that most of the founding fathers were non-Christian, if anything, and surely didn't intend to establish a theocracy.

[Hortensis]

34. :) Not just your opinion, by any means. Written into our constitution.

Of course, representative democracy is supposed to reflect the beliefs of the factions of society that come together to form electoral majorities. Government of, by and for the people.

Fortunately for the rest of us, evangelical zealots are far from a majority, but their current influence proves that a whole lot of citizens have been screwing up bad for a long time.

[summer_in_TX]

35. The real Christians have allowed the false Christians to steal

the spotlight and the narrative.

The OP is exactly right. No one was forced to follow him. The Evangelical religion does not show me any resemblance to one that follows Christ "in spirit and in truth."

Trying to be like Jesus means being humble. Can't be in the limelight and do that.

But the Christian Nationalists are guilty of sullying Christ's name and character by claiming values the opposite of those of Jesus to be theirs. Those of us who try to welcome the stranger, feed the poor, visit the prisoner, work for justice, and offer God's love to all because we have experienced that love and mercy ourselves have been doing a very poor job of standing up for the truth of Jesus. (For our atheist friends here, the truth of Jesus based on what he says in the Bible.)

The true Christian faith motivated Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. to work for justice in the civil rights movement and for economic justice as well, for the Beloved Kingdom, and it has led others to many acts of justice and mercy over time.

Our failure to reject the evil distortion and counter with the truth has allowed the distortion to defame the character of Christ. That's directly tied to the declining numbers of those who profess to be Christian (and whose behavior shows that they actually might be). We have a battle against a very toxic theology and so far the toxic side is winning.

Because the Christian Right has been so hateful, they've brought about a great antagonism to religion in general and Christianity in particular. The intolerance is great, but it stems from us Jesus followers failing to defend or teach the heart of Jesus' teachings.

I was raised with much of the same antagonism towards Christians, so I understand it. But MLK inspired me with his understanding of faith, and I lucked into a church that didn't have any agenda of fixing or converting me, but welcomed me until I stopped being defensive and started listening. I've been blessed with many adventures since then, which come from following Jesus' Way.

Just to be clear though, I don't think the name matters at all and many folks work for the principles by other names, shalom for instance, and I'm quite sure they are just as blessed.