Fireworks in House after Democrat says 'insurrectionists' should be banned from leading POA

[CatWoman]

Fireworks in House after Democrat says 'insurrectionists' should be banned from leading Pledge of Allegiance

A routine House Judiciary Committee meeting erupted into a nearly hourlong heated debate Wednesday over the Pledge of Allegiance.

WASHINGTON — A routine House committee meeting erupted into a heated, nearly hourlong debate Wednesday over the Pledge of Allegiance, with one Democratic lawmaker saying that "insurrectionists" who backed former President Donald Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election should be banned from leading it.

The fiery back-and-forth took place in a House Judiciary Committee meeting where members set rules for the current Congress. It began after Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., offered an amendment that would give the committee the opportunity to begin each of its meetings with the Pledge of Allegiance. He said the rule would give members “the ability to invite inspirational constituents” to be able to share and lead in the pledge.

Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., the committee's ranking member, immediately objected, arguing that House members already recite the pledge on the floor every day. "I don’t know why we should pledge allegiance twice in the same day to show how patriotic we are," he said.

Rep. Hank Johnson, D-Ga., noted that many Republicans on the committee voted against certifying the 2020 presidential election on Jan. 6, 2021. Rep. David Cicilline, D-R.I., then said he was introducing an amendment to Gaetz's amendment that clarified that the pledge cannot be led by anyone who has supported an insurrection against the United States in any way.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/fireworks-house-democrat-says-insurrectionists-banned-leading-pledge-a-rcna68585

[Duncanpup]

1. Here is hoping special counsel takes them down.

[maxsolomon]

27. Keep hoping.

Nothing will happen to them. They're free to engage in these pointless performances of patriotism.

[ShazzieB]

45. Yeah, yeah, we know.

Go find some place else to pour cold water. We don't need any here, thanks.

[OneTotalMook]

54. Unless a splash of cold water causes us to jump up & take action that leads to accountability

[ShazzieB]

73. What action might that be?

[maxsolomon]

66. If you think there are any consequences coming for the Insurrection Coalition

then you need a splash or 2.

Turns out the 14th Amendment Section 3 is merely aspirational, and now they have control of Congress.

[ShazzieB]

72. Why does it matter to you if some rando on the internet (i.e., me)

thinks there might be consequences coming?

This is a serious question. I know some people are pessimistic, and I get why. That's fine with me. Go ahead and hold the opinion you hold. I don't see why it should matter to you or anyone else if I hold a different one.

[maxsolomon]

74. It shouldn't matter to me, and I probably shouldn't have said anything.

I restrain myself often on DU, and much more frequently elsewhere on social media. Sometimes I don't.

Why do you care if some rando on the internet (i.e. me) responds to a DU Pollyanna with pessimism?

Why comment on any post?

Why go on a discussion board?

[LW1977]

69. Thank you

Enough of the Negative Nancies!

[ShazzieB]

71. Thanks for this reply!

The rude ones were getting me down!

[KS Toronado]

53. Been hoping for the same thing

all of these congress critters who voted against certifying the 2020 election on Jan. 6th should not be a
Government employee. They were PLAN B in the coup attempt. Start by locking up all the guided tour
guides from Jan 4th & 5th.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

2. Rub their damned noses in it.

[CatWoman]

4. EACH. AND. EVERY. FUCKING. TIME.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

8. They're in this list...

The 139 Republicans Who Lied, Fueled An Insurrection And Then Voted To Cover It Up

[CatWoman]

9. TY Prog

[Hermit-The-Prog]

18. Welcome!

[ancianita]

41. +100

Thank you!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

43. It's all performance from those rats.

[Hieronymus Phact]

12. For the next 200 Years -nt

[Eyeball_Kid]

3. Since guns will be allowed in committee hearings,

I think it's proper that every time the POA is recited, there should be a 21 gun salute. In no time the conference rooms would have no walls and ceilings, but that seems to be what GOPers really want.

[Traildogbob]

10. They wanna be transparent

Holes in ceilings and walls would accomplish that.

[littlemissmartypants]

50. Ventilation for the cigar and cigarette smoking they've reinstated.

Of course, that won't keep the nicotine off the furniture, woodwork and marble. I wonder how long before they'll install spitoons. If they haven't already.

[Traildogbob]

57. Spitoons

And black and whites only water fountains and toilets. They said they wanted to Make America Great Again. We all know what time period they believe was great. The “Dames” better prepare, after the put the blacks in their place, women will be in ankle length dresses only and they will eliminate Bare Arms (like one state did in their state house). Not covered by the 2nd amendment. Sorry Large Marge. When will they require those stupid white wigs again in chamber?
Then they will plaster some of that Russian asbestos, trump allowed to import, all over the walls to protect from fire if Antifa comes back to destroy the Capital.

[uponit7771]

5. "insurrectionist" should be in jail !!!

[SouthernDem4ever]

58. +2

Two people in my household agree.

[malaise]

6. Love it

Rec

[Cha]

7. Yeah, Fuck the Gaslighting Traitors and

their Fake Allegiance to our USA Flag.

Their Allegiance is to the Domestic Terrorist & Overthrowing the Government

[Rebl2]

23. Thought GQP

didn’t believe in our constitution anymore and thus saying the pledge to flag is unnecessary.

[Cha]

24. I figure they're trying to put on a

facade .. wrap themselves in the flag and Thumping the Bible While Stealing our Democracy.

[SergeStorms]

28. And give the American flag a big, wet kiss....

and start dry-humping it like Trump did.

I imagine he fooled the cult though, because that's exactly who that little Kabuki play was performed for.

[JohnnyRingo]

64. i think that sums it up nicely.

I mean twice every day? just so they can invite the RWNJ du jour?
Stick a flag pin in it, they're done.

[pamdb]

11. pledge

This whole pledge thing. Why? We are the only western, supposedly civilized nation that does this kind go thing.
Pledge of Allegiance, singing the national anthem BEFORE A STUPID SPORTS GAME, , praying before meetings, all that stuff.
Personally, I think it's ridiculous. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with caring about your country.

[Evolve Dammit]

16. You are correct. And if we believe and adhere to the Constitution, it is all OPTIONAL.

[Ligyron]

39. Very authoritarian, Nazi like even.

and then there's the whole "under god" thing. Maybe YOU are under some god delusion, not me buddy.

[mobeau69]

42. National anthems before sporting events aren't anywhere close to being uniquely American.

[onecaliberal]

13. They shouldn't even have been sworn in.

They don’t believe in the constitution.

[jalan48]

14. Thank you Rep Cicilline. Challenge the traitor tots every step of the way.

[BumRushDaShow]

15. Love me some David Cicilline

He doesn't bite his tongue nor hold back when it comes to confronting the GOP loons!

[Evolve Dammit]

17. Been 140 years since we had a caning in the House (Calhoun). How about a good mass shooting MTG??

[SergeStorms]

31. Don't think....

she hasn't thought about it. It's probably a little joke between her and "Kevie" when they're having pillow talk.

[Evolve Dammit]

35. I cannot believe that they took down the mags in Congress. Someone will be shot. Where are we?

[SergeStorms]

36. We're in mid-1880s Tombstone, Arizona, I believe.

At least that's what Large Marge and "Bim" Boebert would like us to think.

[Evolve Dammit]

38. It just has no place in a civil society. Oh wait, I guess we have devolved into a banana republic?

It is disgusting at the very least.

[lostnfound]

60. I am afraid that will turn out to have been a feature not a bug.

The GOP Suits want power.
Their Russian goddaddy wants chaos, humiliation and instability in a divided U.S.
The GOP base has enough loons to provide some fall-guys.

[Evolve Dammit]

70. Sounds true. AR-15 lapel pins now worn by Santos and others. Vlad must be smiling (and funding). nt

[MMBeilis]

19. The worst part is the thing about "inviting inspirational constituents" to lead the pledge. Gaetz...

.....and others could parade out some of their super patriot "Oath Keepers" and "Proud Boys" to turn a circus sideshow into a proper "Three Ring" shit show.

[Justice matters.]

63. I'm sure they would show up with magnums and AR-15s...

[vanlassie]

20. Only yesterday Big Marge had the nerve to bring The mother of

Ashli Babbitt and presented her daughter as a martyr.

[SergeStorms]

33. Are you shitting me? 😡

I hadn't heard about that.

Her daughter was a stupid MAGAt who broke the law. And "if she'd only complied with the officer's orders" she'd still be alive to swallow more conspiracy minded bullshit today.

Martyr, my ass. Idiot, is what she was. 😒

[orleans]

21. omg! so what happened? is there a longer clip of this? nt

[CatWoman]

40. starts at 34:00

[orleans]

46. really appreciate you sharing this. just listened to ted lieu -- lol! nice shot at jordan! nt

[progressoid]

65. !!!!!!!!!

[housecat]

22. Democrats must go on the offensive and keep repeating names of the traitors. Duh

[Initech]

25. We need to start fighting back against these dipshits at every level!

[ProudMNDemocrat]

26. Anti-American Republicans's feefees are hurt?

About fucking time the truth comes out about them.

Continue playing hardball and kicking ass Democrats.

[Samrob]

29. These anti-democracy MAGA GOP Reps are going to realize that they are not match for

patriotic, intelligent, history literate, fearless Dems in the House. They aren't going to know what hit them when the smoke settles two years from now.

Dems united cannot be defeated!

[republianmushroom]

30. is the 14 admen dent going to be enforced ?

If so, by whom ?

[irisblue]

32. In the Insurrection Caucus Face, often and hard

[Captain Zero]

37. one nation under LAW,

Is how I recite it.
Just saying ...

[SickOfTheOnePct]

44. Since when

Is objecting to electoral votes insurrection?

Assholery? Fair enough.

[Marcuse]

47. After this:

[SickOfTheOnePct]

49. Sorry

I disagree.

The attack on the Capitol was most definitely an act of insurrection, no question.

Objecting to electoral votes as part of a process that allows such objections is not an insurrection, regardless of what had just happened, IMO.

[The Roux Comes First]

48. It Occurs to Me That Perhaps Many of These Folks Are Hopeful They Can Just Quietly Shift Over

To a "Pledge" and jettison that f'ing Oath they took that everyone seems so het up about them violating.

[OneTotalMook]

55. I'm starting to think that loudly affirming with no intent to honor animates these types

[kacekwl]

51. It's just flag a hugging performance

by traitors. I find it offensive that the committee chair can't be bothered to wear a jacket. Very rude and dismissive of the rules he should follow especially as chair.

[Marthe48]

56. Put it in their faces

Filthy hypocritical shills.

[Historic NY]

59. To the Republic for which it stands..............

[GreenWave]

61. I agree with almost every comment here!

[packman]

62. For Republicans it is now all circus

Pledge of Allegiance - next , reading a verse or two from the Bible, then 10 minutes or so of waving an American flag, then kneeling down for prayer, then, then, then -----


Well, it will make their folk back home happy - "Lookie Mom, they be real good folks in that their place runnin' the goberment"

[Permanut]

68. They will want to parse the Pledge a little..

I would expect them to omit the last part:

"...with liberty and justice for all."

Just kind of read it with scissors, like they do the 2nd amendment.