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US Economy adds 517,000 jobs in January, EU rate at 3.4%, job market remains Red Hot!!! (Original Post) Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 OP
People here are getting too fast for me. Thanks. NT mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2023 #1
Yeah and someone posted here yesterday gab13by13 Feb 2023 #2
On a recession Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #4
Half the country believes we are in a recession already due to GOP Russian propaganda Walleye Feb 2023 #9
True Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #24
Recession schmession Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #30
The idiot Fascists signed in on the infrastructure bill that's creating tens of thousands new jobs! Justice matters. Feb 2023 #46
Biden tricked them Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #49
The Fascist GQP House want to kill the bill... and the world economy with it. Justice matters. Feb 2023 #50
Well that puts a HUGE damper on the Republican talking points for ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2023 #3
CNN soon Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #5
They will, and unfortunately the illustrious press push the republican nonsense JohnSJ Feb 2023 #8
On to outrage over M&Ms! n/t Yavin4 Feb 2023 #47
November and December revises up by 34K and 37K too Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #6
repubs are gonna cry BlueWaveNeverEnd Feb 2023 #7
Gym Jordan keeps Tweeting about the balloon in Montana Norbert Feb 2023 #36
I learned this in my History of Technology college class Dirty Socialist Feb 2023 #10
They already have Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #12
But inflation is up too, from profiteering Dirty Socialist Feb 2023 #14
Inflation is not up Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #15
Correct Dirty Socialist Feb 2023 #17
Stocks will fall on this news Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #11
No doubt... honest.abe Feb 2023 #13
Guess not Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #43
Superlatives Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #16
Democratic President Joe Biden's passed Infrastructure Bill... Justice matters. Feb 2023 #48
Quick Powell! newdayneeded Feb 2023 #18
Yeah Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #19
My home mortgage is at newdayneeded Feb 2023 #25
I'm under 3% too Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #26
Inflation down, employment up. "Why is the Fed doing such a bad job?" mathematic Feb 2023 #39
I'll give him some credit Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #44
The Federal Reserve really looks like they don't know what they are doing Buckeyeblue Feb 2023 #20
I think the rate hikes were called for Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #22
My partner works at a REIT with 31 B in assets. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2023 #32
My company Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #34
A lot of employees have learned to work productively remotely. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2023 #37
Yup Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #38
We're in L A DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2023 #40
The power freaks won't be competitive Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #41
CNN headline... spanone Feb 2023 #21
This is bad news for Joe Biden!! Kingofalldems Feb 2023 #23
Economists weigh in on this astonishing report Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #27
CNBC disappointment is palpable right now as stocks turned positive Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #28
It's hilariously sad to watch our media. spanone Feb 2023 #29
Democratic economic principles are at play here Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #31
You have one too many zeros in OP. Emile Feb 2023 #33
Thanks Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #35
Biden State of the Union next week Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #42
But I thought that Biden's economy was awful and that we were all suffering Mad_Machine76 Feb 2023 #45
MAkes me worried a little on the debt ceiling Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #51
If they do Mad_Machine76 Feb 2023 #52
This is Defcon 1 for the GOP Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #53
Bump over balloon threads. Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #54

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
2. Yeah and someone posted here yesterday
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 09:37 AM
Feb 2023

that a recession was imminent. Chairman Powell will have to jack up those rates some more.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
4. On a recession
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 09:40 AM
Feb 2023

If UE remains low due to a shortage of workers, and wages continue to rise, will a modest recession even matter to 95% of the country? We're at a position where there are too many jobs for the people we have to fill them, that's not going to change anytime soon.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
24. True
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 10:33 AM
Feb 2023

I work with some of that half and they regularly talk about how long "this recession is going to last."

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
30. Recession schmession
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 12:01 PM
Feb 2023

“Any concern the economy is in recession or close to a recession should be completely dashed by these numbers,” Moody’s Analytics chief economist Mark Zandi told CNN.

Justice matters.

(6,928 posts)
46. The idiot Fascists signed in on the infrastructure bill that's creating tens of thousands new jobs!
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 02:04 PM
Feb 2023

Well-paid JOBS!! As in Socialism WORKS

They didn't expect that would kill their 'recession' depression BS...

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,785 posts)
3. Well that puts a HUGE damper on the Republican talking points for
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 09:39 AM
Feb 2023

Today.

I wonder how they will spin this with their doom and gloom.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
5. CNN soon
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 09:42 AM
Feb 2023

How this jobs report spells trouble for Biden!

LOL. This is just an insane report. Powell must be scratching his head, he's been trying so hard to kill the job market and with inflation easing so quickly he's not going to have a reason to keep trying pretty soon.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
6. November and December revises up by 34K and 37K too
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 09:44 AM
Feb 2023

Averaging 352K jobs added a month the last 3. Just stunning really considering what the Fed is doing to fight inflation.

Norbert

(6,039 posts)
36. Gym Jordan keeps Tweeting about the balloon in Montana
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 12:24 PM
Feb 2023

and how Biden is doing nothing about it.

What a jackass.

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
10. I learned this in my History of Technology college class
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 10:10 AM
Feb 2023

The Black Plague created a worker shortage as well. As a result, worker conditions were improved. I wonder if our corporate overlords will improve our conditions.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
12. They already have
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 10:13 AM
Feb 2023

Across the board wages and benefits are up. And it's a competition for workers like has never existed in the US in 50+ years. Even warehouse jobs are getting better ight now.

The ruling class hates every bit of this news.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
15. Inflation is not up
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 10:21 AM
Feb 2023

Peaked in the Summer at just over 9%, down to 5.7% last month and will fall this month too when the new CPI number comes out.

If inflation falls to say 5% in the new number, Powell won't really be able to raise rates next month too. And he already has egg on his face with his language that we're in a disinflation conditions right now. The Fed has already done enough, inflation will fall throughout the rest of this year.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
11. Stocks will fall on this news
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 10:11 AM
Feb 2023

I know stocks matter to anyone with a 401K, but other than your 401K I don't know that the fates of the working class and the investment class have ever been more separate in this country. Powell has targeted the job market specifically, he said we need higher UE. But he's totally underestimating the shortage of workers we have, what he does might not matter to workers. At this rate, we could see a recession and UE could stay below 4% while wages continue to rise, if that happens, will the 99% even care that we had a recession?

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
43. Guess not
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 01:48 PM
Feb 2023

Stocks up now. Maybe Wall Street is getting it that things will be better for them if more people are working and making money.

Justice matters.

(6,928 posts)
48. Democratic President Joe Biden's passed Infrastructure Bill...
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 02:12 PM
Feb 2023

A 'socialist' bill to benefit the United States Economic Recovery Fascist GQP's self-proclaimed domestic terrorists now don't want the Treasury to pay for it... because they want a depression, chaos in the world's economy, the US dollar no longer the world's trade currency, people losing everything they worked for their entire life so far, including Socialist programs like Social Security, Medicare, MedicAid, and the ACA.

newdayneeded

(1,955 posts)
18. Quick Powell!
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 10:23 AM
Feb 2023

Jack up those interest rates 2 or 3%!!1!1!!

You need to nip this strong economy in the bud!!

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
19. Yeah
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 10:25 AM
Feb 2023

Maybe 25 basis points next month, but he's basically out of ammunition to keep going.

No recession though would mean he'd keep them raised for some time, which is actually fine as they're closer to historical averages where they are than when they were at 2% or less.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
26. I'm under 3% too
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 10:50 AM
Feb 2023

Pretty awesome.

The housing market has cooled off a little too, those bidding wars are rarer now, so although mortgages will have a higher interest rate for buyers right now, prices are easing.

I bought my first house in 1995, had great credit and a family member at the mortgage company, the 6.8% rate we got on our mortgage then was the envy of all of our friends. Right now, rates are pretty normal, the country just got so addicted to rates near 0 after Bush dropped them there that we forgot what normal is.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
39. Inflation down, employment up. "Why is the Fed doing such a bad job?"
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 12:41 PM
Feb 2023

The Fed has been making the right moves. Why won't you give them credit? There are people on the left that have been calling a recession monthly for almost a year due to the Fed's actions. Boy were they fucking wrong.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
44. I'll give him some credit
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 01:50 PM
Feb 2023

Might have threaded the needle on this by defeating inflation without causing a recession. But his pointed language about having to cool off jobs the last several weeks is pretty shameful and is outside what the Fed's stated goals are.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
20. The Federal Reserve really looks like they don't know what they are doing
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 10:26 AM
Feb 2023

And that's because the playbook for inflation is 40 years old. The inflation we are seeing isn't being driven the the same circumstances as before. This inflation is truly being driven by supply and demand. Feds should have left rates low and allowed the market (people deciding what they'll buy) to cure the inflation.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
22. I think the rate hikes were called for
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 10:29 AM
Feb 2023

But they probably could have stopped 2 months ago and now Powell is looking like he isn't really concerned with the Feds stated goals of 2% inflation and full employment and he's overstepping a little into trying to engineer conditions that harm workers. He could do nothing and inflation will continue to ease the rest of the year.

And all of this is no surprise, Democrats are always better for working people than Republicans. Every single one of Biden's policy goals has workers in mind and he accomplished a mountain of them in his first 2 years.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
32. My partner works at a REIT with 31 B in assets.
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 12:10 PM
Feb 2023

They pay competitive wages and can't fill the jobs fast enough. Republicans hate low unemployment because it empowers workers. It's as simple as that.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
34. My company
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 12:19 PM
Feb 2023

Aerospace. Can't find enough people and they're laser focused on ensuring no on else leaves.

Last week my boss called me in his office, told me I got a $10K raise, and that it was retroactive to December 26th so I'd still be eligible for the April annual merit increase, also my bonus is a % of what my salary is on December 31st of the year prior, so my bonus will be bigger too.

These conditions are amazing right now for workers, but a lot of people haven't noticed because of the pandemic driven inflation. But inflation is easing and jobs aren't. There is no end in sight to low unemployment and better wages.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
37. A lot of employees have learned to work productively remotely.
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 12:27 PM
Feb 2023

Employers are going to find it much harder to compel them to come back to their offices when working remotely is seen as a prerequisite. Even Elon Musk had to back off. At first, he said all remote workers had to come back to the office. After a lot of pushback, he said if your work is excellent you can continue to work remotely.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
38. Yup
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 12:33 PM
Feb 2023

We have a hybrid model permanently at my job. WFH Monday and Friday, in the office Tuesday through Thursday. I find it perfect for me, makes the week so much easier and I love getting to see people and work closely with them 3 days a week. But about 30% of our staff went to WFH 5 days a week. I love being trusted to do what I think works best for me.

I'm here in MI, we just lost one of our young and talented software engineers to a satellite company in Colorado, he's full WFH and living in MI still. WFH isn't available and he's still with us.

Just a great time to work. Everything Democrats have said for a generation is happening right now, the economy is doing so well because workers have more options. Each new jobs report and good news economic report is a shovel of dirt onto the grave of Republican Trickle Down economics.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
40. We're in L A
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 12:42 PM
Feb 2023

Spending three hours in travel to work eight hours isn't productive. Some employers are power freaks. As long as the work gets done who cares?

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
41. The power freaks won't be competitive
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 12:48 PM
Feb 2023

The talent is what makes the companies successful, if you aren't flexible, the talent will leave and your company will lose out to the companies your talent went to.

I've been a part of the labor force since the 80s, at no point have workers had as much power as they do right now.

Of course this is the worst nightmare for Cons, so expect a backlash of some sort from their rich and powerful donors.

spanone

(135,832 posts)
21. CNN headline...
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 10:27 AM
Feb 2023
Astonishingly strong US jobs report sends stocks sinking

Wow, what a jobs report!
From CNN's David Goldman
Wall Street economists expected the US economy to add 185,000 jobs in January...and instead it added 517,000. Oh, and the unemployment rate fell to a 53-year low.

Shocking. Astonishing. Remarkable. We're running out of adjectives to describe how stunning this jobs report was.

Some highlights:

After revisions, America gained 4.8 million jobs last year. That's 300,000 more than previously reported.
Job gains were widespread, in just about every sector. Leading the way: Leisure and hospitality added 128,000 jobs as America continued to rebound from the Covid pandemic.
The unemployment rate was 3.4%, the lowest since May 1969 — as in, before Neil Armstrong landed on the moon.
Wages grew 4.4% over the past year in January, higher than expected.

https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/stock-market-news-today-jobs-2323/index.html

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
27. Economists weigh in on this astonishing report
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 11:18 AM
Feb 2023

Here's how economists reacted Friday:

"This is a labor market on heat; nobody would have expected a number as monstrous as this." — Seema Shah, chief global strategist, Principal Asset Management

"Half a million jobs, climb down off the wall, call the recession off. This isn’t a soft-landing, the economy is still flying high." — Chris Rupkey, chief economist, FWDBONDS LLC

"The undeniably strong report is what markets hope for coming out of a recession, but not what you want to see when expectations for the end of the Fed rate hike campaign is suddenly challenged by significantly stronger labor market." — Quincy Krosby, chief global strategist, LPL Financial

"January was a miraculous month. But good news is good news, and this shows many more Americans working and a jobs market that foreshadows many more Americans likely to take jobs in the future." — Robert Frick, corporate economist, Navy Federal Credit Union

"Clearly, those who want to work are able to find a job in this economy. How does a recession happen when everyone has a job?" — Andrew Crapuchettes, CEO, RedBalloon.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
28. CNBC disappointment is palpable right now as stocks turned positive
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 11:49 AM
Feb 2023

Blowout jobs report led them to talk about a market pull back today for most of the morning, stocks have rebounded now and are positive and they're acting like someone stole their favorite teddy bear from childhood.

Dark Brandon just slaying these people who are rooting so hard against the working class.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
31. Democratic economic principles are at play here
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 12:06 PM
Feb 2023

The one guiding principle of Obama and Biden economically is that the US economy is built from the bottom up and that the economy is strongest when the working class have good jobs and are getting ahead. It's the very opposite of Republican Trickle Down economics. So we're seeing that despite the inflation the pandemic caused, the economy took off because the relief packages focused on getting money to regular people.

This is what Joe fights for, he fights for people to have good jobs, everything else in the economy is built off from that.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
42. Biden State of the Union next week
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 01:28 PM
Feb 2023

He's taking a victory lap today, but he's going to have a jaw dropping list of accomplishments at the SOTU next week highlighted by the best job market in our nation's history.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
51. MAkes me worried a little on the debt ceiling
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 02:23 PM
Feb 2023

Republicans were praying for a recession, without one occurring they might try to blow it all up now.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
53. This is Defcon 1 for the GOP
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 02:40 PM
Feb 2023

Biden helped the American working class and like Dems have always predicted, it has helped the economy as a whole. Their entire party is built around tickle down and this report buries Trickle Down even further. Republicans have spent 60 years destroying the Middle Class, for Biden to rebuild it and make it stronger is their worst nightmare.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
54. Bump over balloon threads.
Sat Feb 4, 2023, 10:55 AM
Feb 2023

Shameless bump to remind DUers that Biden had the best jobs report for beating expectations maybe ever yesterday but the news only focused on a silly and harmless balloon.

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