I think we know who our 2024 Presidential candidate will be

[Beachnutt]

President Joe Biden if he seeks another term.
Who will be the rethug candidate and who will win their primary ?
Since we know and all are united on our candidate should we sport a bumper sticker for the rethug candidate that is most likely to lose the primary in order to sew confusion in the rethugs little brain ?....
No trump stickers though.

[AkFemDem]

1. I don't think that's a foregone conclusion

Am I supposed to give the rah rah rah rainbows and roses version or what I think actual reality is?

Going with the later- If President Biden is the nominee (and he has not said he is definitively running) I’ll enthusiastically support him. But I’m here for primary season and I have my own preferences and they’re for a younger candidate.

The R will be either Trump or Dasantis. If Trump successfully intimidates Desantis and stops him from running, then 2024 will be a win for the Democratic candidate. Trump will not win any of the states he lost before and he will probably lose a few more. If Desantis runs and wins nomination though, D odds will go way down imo and there’s a good chance he wins.

[ColinC]

2. I almost wonder if South Carolina being first is preparation for a Harris run

[AkFemDem]

6. Hm, had not thought of that

That’s an interesting thought.

Personally, I still hope for a surprise from Big Gretch. I know she said she wasn’t running awhile back, but that’s never stopped anyone before

[Buckeyeblue]

35. I also think she could be a strong candidate

But she is really in a good place to show her legislative chops right now, with both the MI House and Senate being blue.

[calguy]

8. I have my doubts about a Harris presidential run

I like her a lot, and thought she was an excellent Senator.
Unfortunately, as a presidential candidate outside of California, she has very little appeal.
Her run in the last primary never even really got off the ground.
As much as I like her, most other Americans do not. I think VP is the last office she'll hold in Washington.
California governor seems more likely, if her political career survives past the Biden presidency.

[Buckeyeblue]

36. Unfortunately she doesn't seem to have wide appeal

I don't think she has the natural charisma it takes to win the presidency.

[Sympthsical]

18. I don't see her with a presidential future

For a variety of reasons, the total implosion of her primary campaign not the least among them. And I say that as someone who had her in my top three during the primary until that went pear-shaped (I was Harris, Buttigieg, or Warren).

However, once Newsom is done, I think something like Governor of California could be a thing for her. Newsom terms out in 2026.

My fear is she runs, doesn't do well, and the party starts having an ugly internal quarrel. I've already seen the seeds being laid down right here that if you don't support her run once President Biden finishes, you're probably racist and sexist. (Seriously, there was a thread with that shit like five days ago).

Who enjoyed 2008? Because it would be that on steroids.

[Celerity]

27. +1

[pinkstarburst]

33. I'm not seeing it with Harris

Harris struggled even when she ran in 2020. Her popularity has not improved during her time as vice president.

Additionally, being from California she will face issues in a general election from voters who will see her as too progressive. Gavin Newsom will have the same problem, and he doesn't have to overcome the dual hurdles in the eyes of voters of being female and black, unfair as that is.

I think she would be a better candidate for AG, or governor of California when Newsom's term is up.

[Beachnutt]

3. Nicky Haley, Asa Hutchinson, Mike Pence,Mike Pompeo and others

are said to be throwing their hat in the ring also for the rethug nomination.

[AkFemDem]

4. I think it'll be a crowded ring

But in the end it’ll be one of those two men on the ticket

[Demsrule86]

13. It better not be. Anyone who runs against

an incumbent president is dead to me because they will cost us the election. Happens every time.

[AkFemDem]

14. We are talking about the Republicans right?

You mentioned Nikki Haley, Pompeo etc. I am saying yes it will be a crowded Republican ring but in the end it’ll be down to Trump to Desantis.

As to anyone challenging Biden. I’m here for it 🤷🏻‍♀️ I swore no fealty to a king.

[Demsrule86]

22. My apologies . I thought you meant

Democratats.

[Walleye]

25. I am with you on this especially when we have a successful president like Joe Biden

It’s a good way to lose if that’s what we want

[DestinyIsles]

5. That's not going to happen

No Democratic candidate has indicated they are going to run against Biden in the primary, Biden is running again by now we are in primary season.

[AkFemDem]

7. We'll see!

[mcar]

9. If Biden runs, there won't be a Democratic primary

[rso]

10. DeSantis

DeSantis has no National appeal and has not been thoroughly vetted. We’ve shown that we can win nationally without Florida and Texas, and DeSantis is a short, nearly-obese man, not presidential material. Finally, if DeSantis is the candidate, you can be certain that Trump will do all he can to sabotage him.

[AkFemDem]

11. Trump will be democrats best weapon against Desantis

But I think you’re underestimating Desantis’s potential- he will successfully shift back those suburban moms that went rogue in 2020, he’ll appeal to younger Republican voters who stayed home, and he’ll bring a big war chest from traditional Republican donors who soured on Trump. We all know the $ matters, and he’ll get the $. He pushes far right MAGA politics the deplorables love, but has the benefit of looking “civilized”, having an Ivy League education, being a decorated military officer, being younger than 70, and having a cute family. Our best case scenario is that Trump destroys him for us.

[Demsrule86]

16. No he is to be extreme and can not

move to the middle. His policies are only good Maga Florida.

[AkFemDem]

17. Then why are rank and file traditional republicans

Flocking to him? Why are they throwing so much money and muscle his way?

Sorry, but you’re in denial if you think Desantis isn’t appealing to the rank and file Rs.

[rso]

30. DeSantis

They are flocking to him because who else is there for republicans besides Trump ?. But more importantly, most independents will not vote for DeSantis in the General Election, and he can’t win without independents.

[GreenWave]

21. You know he will hit those white go-go boots very hard!

The humiliation among Trumplicans will be too much for Ronnie boy.

[AkFemDem]

23. If Donald Trump has done one thing really well

In the last few years, it’s helping democrats get elected :-D

[BannonsLiver]

29. With all due respect, this is completely delusional.

[Demsrule86]

12. He has said he is running just has not

Announced it officially. And mark my words Biden as an incumbent has an advantage. And for all the Biden haters out there. It is my opinion only Biden can win the states we need. I can think of no other candidate who could.

[AkFemDem]

15. I don't think those are just your words

Isn’t it always presumed the incumbent has the heavy advantage?

Hoping for a big shocker from Big Gretch myself. And I’m far from a Biden “hater”, good lord we are not MAGAts that are only allowed to like one possible leader 🙄

[Demsrule86]

19. Yes it is assumed. I love big Gretch

But I am not sure any woman can win in our sexist society. She could win the Midwest

[karynnj]

24. Any Democrat who can win the Midwest, wins the Presidency

This is because ANY Democrat will win the west coast and the part of the east from Virgina and north. I
would assume someone winning the Midwest will win PA and at least make a good contest of Ohio.

[madville]

20. Desantis with Haley as VP will be

Their 2024 ticket. My feeling is most republicans are ready to move on from Trump, his cult is shrinking everyday.

[quickesst]

26. If Joe Biden is not the Democratic nominee..

... for whatever reason, name one Democratic politician who can beat Trump or DeSantis, and how disappointed will one be to find out their preferred candidate is not even running?
If, and that's an iffy if, President Biden does not run again, there is one potential candidate who will be romped in a general election. I hope it does not go that way.

[Celerity]

28. these 7 would have decent shots (likely doesn't matter in 2024, as Biden is 99 per cent running) and

I do think Biden is still our best shot.

The 7 off the top of my head:

Andy Beshear
Sherrod Brown (but probably too old in 2028, and certainly for 2032, as we need to end the 'in their 80s before their 1st term ends, let alone their 2nd' thing)
Gavin Newsom
Gretchen Whitmer
Roy Cooper
Josh Shapiro
Raphael Warnock

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John Fetterman's stroke is hard to overcome atm for POTUS, if he had not had that happen he would be truly up there.

Michelle Obama will never run for POTUS.

Buttigieg (who I think would make the best POTUS of any listed) and Polis will have a hard time overcoming homophobia in both the Dem primaries (especially the deep south) and in the general. (This is especially hard for gay men, lesbians have less issues with the bigotry than gay men do in politics, IMHO, from what I can see..... full disclosure I am a lesbian myself, but that is NOT what I am basing this off of, and yes it is fucked up).

Kamala Harris, I do not think, can win a general, and I have doubts she can even win a Dem primary.

Hillary Clinton would lose in the general, her negatives are permanently too high, thanks to 30 years of attacks.

Wes Moore is one to watch.

just my thoughts,

Cel

[Demsrule86]

31. I totally disagree. Biden has a good record and the incumbent advantage.

I would hope no Dem would consider running when he announces. We would surely lose . Andd I dont want to post negative stuff but i do not t believe anyone of those candidates can win in 24 maybe in 28. Excuse the typos,in hospital with IVs. Hard to type.

[Celerity]

32. Disagreeing?? I said Biden is running and is our best shot. The other ones listed are hypotheicals

IF (VERY unlikely) Biden doesn't run or for 2028.

I was quite clear in what I said, so no idea why you have misread it, as I literally wrote that in the subject (that the list didn't really matter for 2024 as Biden was 99% likely running).



also

you said

i do not t believe anyone of those candidates can win in 24 maybe in 28.

We had all better hope one of those (even counting the ones not in the first 7) in my reply can win in 2028, unless you have some dark horse in mind. Pritzker perhaps?

[quickesst]

34. All good Democrats..

... and I hope someone is able to step up, and fill Joe Biden's shoes on the slim chance he may not run. Of those you mentioned, I would probably favor Pete buttigieg, or Josh Shapiro.
As far as ending the "in their 80s" are concerned, I agree. Joe Biden deserves a rest, but I believe the only real chance we have lies in him. I have not seen anyone I believe can fill the shoes of the likes of Joe Biden and Barack Obama. In the worst case scenario, one can only hope there is a Democrat out there able to step up to the plate, generate some excitement, and "good trouble".😏

On a side note, one of my personal favorites among Democratic politicians is Eric Swalwell. Intelligent, and a thorn in the Republican side, not to mention his sense of humor.